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350€ for used Canon EOS 600D

So, I kinda really want to get into photography. I looked around for quite a bit and found an offering of a colleague, who´s offering his Canon EOS 600D.

 

Included stuff:

Canon EOS 600D

Lens: 18-55 STM

16GB SD card

Replacement battery (apparently noname though)

Suiting bag

And a little manual (^^) along with the original packaging

 

He also said that the camera has a small dent near the screen (doesn´t impact functionality). Do you think this is a good offering and i should look into it? I´m reading a lot of articles about cameras and stuff, but

i´m certainly not very experienced as of now.

 

Alternative:

I could pick up a Nikon D3300 + 18-55 Lens + 16GB SD card + Nikon Bag brand new for 360€.

 

Thank you for reading

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The D3300 is slightly better in some aspects. The question is which camera will you want use in the future. Canon or Nikon. However the 600D is mid level but older than the D3300 so the 600D may have some more features. Another thing to consider is a mirror-less camera as though they are not as established there are some very nice cameras out there and finiding one used shouldn't be too hard depending on if you go M4/3 or Fujifilm.

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Thanks for your advice.

Mirrorless? I have read that thats more for doing videos, but i´m not sure if that´s right. I mainly want to focus on architectural & landscape photography. My budget is around ~350€. After a quick research i only found cameras in the +500€ category. 

 

Ehm...some random question: i accidentally created 2 threads, how to i close the other one? Havent found an option.

 

EDIT: ok i found more affordable cameras, i guess i´ll gather some information about the advantages and stuff first before i make a decision.

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Fanboys, on both sides, are quite embarrassing. How can one be a "fan" of a company? A companies only goal is to make a profit off you. Instead of being a smart consumer and base your purchase decision on the best price / performance you choose to dick yourself over by only considering brand X. Idiotic loss to be honest.

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Thanks for your advice.

Mirrorless? I have read that thats more for doing videos, but i´m not sure if that´s right. I mainly want to focus on architectural & landscape photography. My budget is around ~350€. After a quick research i only found cameras in the +500€ category.

That's not true, mirrorless photo cameras are equally as much about photography as DSLR cameras, mirrorless cameras just usually have better features for videography than some DSLRs.

I use my mirrorless Fujifilm X-T10 camera for landscape architectural photography, however that camera is way above your budget.

Your budget seems quite tight though, at least if you wanna go mirrorless.

I've heard good things about the Sony a6000, so I'd suggest you look into that to find out if that's something that would suit your needs.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1029861-REG/sony_ilce6000_b_alpha_a6000_mirrorless_digital.html

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Thanks for your advice.

Mirrorless? I have read that thats more for doing videos, but i´m not sure if that´s right. I mainly want to focus on architectural & landscape photography. My budget is around ~350€. After a quick research i only found cameras in the +500€ category. 

 

1. Send a PM to a mod to merge the two threads.

 

2. It's understandable that as a beginner you might have a misunderstanding about mirrorless.  They have their uses, their advantages and disadvantages, and people have their likes and dislikes.

 

3. Between the two cameras you are considering in your original post as the price difference is only 10 and you are just starting out, getting the Nikon D3300 is a wiser choice.  Not just because it's a newer model than the 600D or has somewhat better features (personally I consider this to be subjective because to me a camera is just a tool** that enables the photographer to express his/her creativity, a.k.a it's how you use it) but you will get it brand new and have the manufacturer warranty.

 

4. Considering what I have just said above, perhaps later you might decide it is better for you to migrate away from Nikon to Canon or Sony or another brand.  Once you learned more and gained experience.  That's perfectly fine too, just be careful with investing your money into a system.

 

5. When you say architecture photography... what exactly do you mean? Do you simply like taking snapshots of buildings with interesting architecture designs or are you planning to become a real technical architecture photographer?

 

That's not true, mirrorless photo cameras are equally as much about photography as DSLR cameras, mirrorless cameras just usually have better features for videography than some DSLRs.

 

 

**There are people who say otherwise, but when I am working as a professional photographer and I have friends who are both professional and enthusiast photographers, who have won awards, been published or have exhibitions and they still use older model cameras to create their works... those people that say otherwise are talking out of their asses.  Buying a camera is not like buying a computer. 

 

A more expensive computer with a powerful CPU, GPU, RAM, etc. will make a computer perform better.  But a more expensive camera or a camera with better features does not necessarily make one a better photographer.

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*There are people who say otherwise, but when I am working as a professional photographer and I have friends who are both professional and enthusiast photographers, who have won awards, been published or have exhibitions and they still use older model cameras to create their works... those people that say otherwise are talking out of their asses. Buying a camera is not like buying a computer.

A more expensive computer with a powerful CPU, GPU, RAM, etc. will make a computer perform better. But a more expensive camera or a camera with better features does not necessarily make one a better photographer.

Well no of course not, I still see the 5D Mark III being used for tons of high quality video work and even come cinematography.

But the Sony and Panasonic cameras are being praised for their excellent video capabilities.

Like you mentioned earlier,I'd also recommended an entry level DSLR (especially Nikon) as OP's first serious camera, most people never really know what they want or need until they've had some hands-on experience with an entry level photo camera (DSLR or mirrorless) and found the limitations of their camera before investing in a higher-end system.

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Well no of course not, I still see the 5D Mark III being used for tons of high quality video work and even come cinematography.

But the Sony and Panasonic cameras are being praised for their excellent video capabilities.

Like you mentioned earlier,I'd also recommended an entry level DSLR (especially Nikon) as OP's first serious camera, most people never really know what they want or need until they've had some hands-on experience with an entry level photo camera (DSLR or mirrorless) and found the limitations of their camera before investing in a higher-end system.

 

 

I've been shooting for a few years now and I've gone through quite a few cameras. 

 

I'd actually recommend getting used gear to start. 

 

you could realistically find a decent copy of a Nikon D300 within your budget, and pick up something like a Tamron 28-75 f2.8. the sensor is not as good as a d3300 but you'll be getting a pro body, with pro controls, and you'll have a much easier time getting out of auto. also the lens will be miles ahead of your kit lens. 

 

anyways that's my 2cents. 

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While a used D300 is nice, the combined investment of both the body and the lens would be a lot more than a beginner should be spending.  After all, if the OP says that's his/her budget, there could be reasons why it's limited to such an amount.

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I wasn't responding to what you wrote.  Notice the * at the beginning of the paragraph.  That was a footnote to something I wrote earlier to the OP.

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Ah... My apologies, I didn't really understand what that was all about so I just ignored it, pretty much.

Cheers to me being an idiot. :P

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D300 + Tamron 28-75 is a bad choice for beginner. Couple of reasons:

1. A beginner will not use most of the features of the high-end/pro body anyway.

2. The sensor in D300 is inferior to modern entry-level cameras.

3. While 28-75 might have good quality optics and its f/2.8, the focal length is crap on the crop body.

 

I recommend entry level DSLRs for beginners, they are a good starting point. A person who knows nothing about photography will not be able to create significantly better pictures even with $5000 worth of gear.

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While a used D300 is nice, the combined investment of both the body and the lens would be a lot more than a beginner should be spending.  After all, if the OP says that's his/her budget, there could be reasons why it's limited to such an amount.

Um check eBay it's very close to what he wants to spend

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D300 + Tamron 28-75 is a bad choice for beginner. Couple of reasons:

1. A beginner will not use most of the features of the high-end/pro body anyway.

2. The sensor in D300 is inferior to modern entry-level cameras.

3. While 28-75 might have good quality optics and its f/2.8, the focal length is crap on the crop body.

 

I recommend entry level DSLRs for beginners, they are a good starting point. A person who knows nothing about photography will not be able to create significantly better pictures even with $5000 worth of gear.

So better to buy a poop body with modern sensor and poop lens? Doubt it.

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Um check eBay it's very close to what he wants to spend

 

 

So better to buy a poop body with modern sensor and poop lens? Doubt it.

 

I personally do not recommend buying second hand cameras or lenses off ebay, due to the high possibility of getting scammed.  If the OP wants to buy a used camera, he should be able to inspect it in person before he forks any cash over.

 

And while the D300 does have more advanced features than the D3300, it is already a number of years old.  The D3300 has additional features that the D300 does not have, such as video.  Also, a second hand D300 may be close to having the shutter fail, and this may add additional repair costs to the OP when it happens.  Better a brand new entry level camera with warranty than an older camera that could already have around 100,000 shutter actuations.

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Sorry for the late answer, i was kinda busy the past week. By architectual photography i mean something like this:

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I think those shots are very powerful. But of course i don´t want to limit myself to this, as that would be stupid. I have been at a lot of places where i found nice motives, like graffiti, rails, impressive buildings etc. I´m not out for a high-end pro camera, but something i can grow with and gain experience while still having a decent quality.

 

Thank you for your long response.

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Thank you guys for your feedback! I´ve just finished reading through your comments. So i think the offering of the 600D is out of question for now and i´m strongly tending to buy the Nikon 3300. Nonetheless i´ll still gather information on camera equipment.

Have a nice weekend.

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I wasn't thinking about a better camera when I asked about architectural photography.  I was thinking of a perspective control lens, also called a Tilt-Shit lens.

 

I use them sometimes for making seamless parallax free panoramas and when want to take photos of buildings making sure they stand straight.

 

They are on the expensive side, but an architectural photographer should have at least one in his/her kit.

 

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That was just a little sidenote i did there, that wasn´t specifically directed to you ;)

I guess you mean Tilt-Shift? Well, that´t something i didn´t consider. But is that something i have to use? I mean, i could just edit that out? Off course I´d loose picture qualitiy then.

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No you don't have to use such a lens or own one.  But for a serious architectural photographer it is a good lens to have. Additionally you can try to correct distortion and straighten lines in post processing using a plugin/tool such as DxO Viewpoint which is cheap and one of the best there is.

 

I have a friend in the UK who is a real estate photographer, he uses it for his clients.

 

But people who want to make sure lines are straight in-camera will prefer to use a TS lens.

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Ok, that´s nice to know. I´ll look into that one as well. So much info :D

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Ok, that´s nice to know. I´ll look into that one as well. So much info :D

 

The reasons for having an accessory or not are usually:

  1. Some people prefer to get certain things done in camera, and TS lenses are some of the best lenses free from distortion
  2. Others like correcting things in post
  3. And some perspective changes cannot be done in post easily.  Read this article http://petapixel.com/2015/12/04/this-snowflake-photo-took-2500-hours-to-create/

The tog who captured these snowflakes, he lit them from one angle and took the images with the camera from another angle.  However snowflakes being 3D objects, he had to do some serious post processing on some of them to get the perspective correct again.

 

Each snowflake is photographed on an angle, which allows for reflected light to hit the surface of the crystal and bounce back into the camera lens brightly. If the snowflake was photographed straight-on, the angle would require the light source to be coming from inside the lens itself.

 

This angled shooting results in only a tiny slice of the subject being in focus, and the hand-held nature of shooting these sky crystals means vertical/horizontal/rotational shifts need to be corrected for. Photoshop can re-align the layers, but it can’t correct for perspective and it has trouble around certain edges when blending the layers; these problems need to be corrected manually.

 

Another benefit of using a TS lens is the Tilt aspect of the lens.  Normally the focal plane is always parallel to the sensor plane.  However using a TS lens, one can tilt the focal plane so that it is not parallel with the sensor plane.  Landscape photographers use this because it can allow them to get an apparent wide DOF without using a narrow aperture.  Tilt the lens the other way and you can get a miniature effect.

 

http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/tilt-shift-lenses2.htm

 

http://www.digitalcameraworld.com/2013/10/30/tilt-shift-photography-how-to-use-1-lens-for-6-different-effects/

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I personally do not recommend buying second hand cameras or lenses off ebay, due to the high possibility of getting scammed.  If the OP wants to buy a used camera, he should be able to inspect it in person before he forks any cash over.

 

And while the D300 does have more advanced features than the D3300, it is already a number of years old.  The D3300 has additional features that the D300 does not have, such as video.  Also, a second hand D300 may be close to having the shutter fail, and this may add additional repair costs to the OP when it happens.  Better a brand new entry level camera with warranty than an older camera that could already have around 100,000 shutter actuations.

 

of course there are things to watch out for when buying used, I was able to get a d300 a few month back for $250 with 25k shutter. 

 

as for being scammed, there is Ebay money back guarantee with most buyers. 

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