Windows Tablet Shipments Gaining Momentum at Expense of Android

[VAkena]

Interesting...many people disliked the Surface concept in 2012 with the introduction of Surface RT. 

 

Source - Techno Buffalo: http://www.technobuffalo.com/2015/11/28/windows-tablet-shipments-gaining-momentum-at-expense-of-android/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

[Bogica]

It might be because a Windows tablet actually has a purpose, it can run anything and it can actually be productive. Unlike the competition which can be used for browsing and viewing videos at best.

And I say this as an owner of 3 Android tablets that just collect dust 95% of the time. Their biggest use was watching movies and as e-book readers.

[Nowak]

Just want to point out that shipments DO NOT equal sales. Although, Windows tablets shipping in higher volumes that Android tablets isn't exactly surprising, because Windows tablets are actually pretty useful outside of web surfing and email.

[GoodBytes]

Interesting...many people disliked the Surface concept in 2012 with the introduction of Surface RT. 

 

Source - Techno Buffalo: http://www.technobuffalo.com/2015/11/28/windows-tablet-shipments-gaining-momentum-at-expense-of-android/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

It is very rare that a new product sales millions the first version.

Also, keep in mind that Surface Pro is what sold (Surface 3 sales are OK), not the Surface 1 and 2 with WinRT.

Now the Surface line brings 3.2 (or was it 3.5?) billion dollars revenue. That is why now HP, Lenovo, Dell, are in (despite criticizing the device when it was first released), heck even Apple removed that smiling from their face, when they called it a fridge and toaster together (hence the joke at the MS Device event. A stab at Apple), and as you see, Apple wants a piece too, with the iPad Pro.

[Dabombinable]

It is very rare that a new product sales millions the first version.

Also, keep in mind that Surface Pro is what sold (Surface 3 sales are OK), not the Surface 1 and 2 with WinRT.

Now the Surface line brings 3.2 (or was it 3.5?) billion dollars revenue. That is why now HP, Lenovo, Dell, are in (despite criticizing the device when it was first released), heck even Apple removed that smiling from their face, when they called it a fridge and toaster together (hence the joke at the MS Device event. A stab at Apple), and as you see, Apple wants a piece too, with the iPad Pro.

However the iPad pro has had a bad launch, which coupled with the limitations of an iPad will really make it struggle-and that's without the cost of the accessories taken into consideration.

[GoodBytes]

However the iPad pro has had a bad launch, which coupled with the limitations of an iPad will really make it struggle-and that's without the cost of the accessories taken into consideration.

Everytime I said that an Apple product won't sale, it does marvelously, sooo. I think it well sale well. iPad Pro 2 will probably sale like hot cakes.

[thekeemo]

Everytime I said that an Apple product won't sale, it does marvelously, sooo. I think it well sale well. iPad Pro 2 will probably sale like hot cakes.

The pro 1 is probably selling like hot cakes

its useless but it still probably is

[TetraSky]

It might be because a Windows tablet actually has a purpose, it can run anything and it can actually be productive. Unlike the competition which can be used for browsing and viewing videos at best.

And I say this as an owner of 3 Android tablets that just collect dust 95% of the time. Their biggest use was watching movies and as e-book readers.

Well personally, my Windows tablet is the one gathering dust and my android tablet is the one seeing the most use...

That can be attributed to a few factor, such as since I'm home, I might as will just use my Windows desktop PC instead.

And the fact that Windows, as great as it is, still isn't as perfect as Android when it comes to Tablets. While Windows 10 is a HUGE improvement compared to Windows 8.1 for tablets, but it's still not up to Android level(especially scaling).

I'm also running into many applications, that when in "fullscreen", the touch feature just flat out stops working(Like Foxit reader, for PDFs), forcing you to use sub-par apps, filled with ads from the windows store, or find a keyboard/mouse to plug on it. Which really makes the whole tablet thing pointless, might as well get a small ultrabook.

 

But hey, maybe that's just my Windows tablet that has these issues(Dell Venue 8 Pro), due to drivers or something, but I wouldn't know. I also mainly use my tablets for reading novels and the likes, bought the Windows tablet to read Visual Novels... Never really ended up using it for that, not sure why. So I'm not on the whole "productivity" side of things.(especially not since I don't have a keyboard dock or the likes)

[GoodBytes]

Well personally, my Windows tablet is the one gathering dust and my android tablet is the one seeing the most use...

That can be attributed to a few factor, such as since I'm home, I might as will just use my Windows desktop PC instead.

And the fact that Windows, as great as it is, still isn't as perfect as Android when it comes to Tablets. While Windows 10 is a HUGE improvement compared to Windows 8.1 for tablets, but it's still not up to Android level(especially scaling).

I'm also running into many applications, that when in "fullscreen", the touch feature just flat out stops working(Like Foxit reader, for PDFs), forcing you to use sub-par apps, filled with ads from the windows store, or find a keyboard/mouse to plug on it. Which really makes the whole tablet thing pointless, might as well get a small ultrabook.

 

But hey, maybe that's just my Windows tablet that has these issues(Dell Venue 8 Pro), due to drivers or something, but I wouldn't know. I also mainly use my tablets for reading novels and the likes, bought the Windows tablet to read Visual Novels... Never really ended up using it for that, not sure why. So I'm not on the whole "productivity" side of things.(especially not since I don't have a keyboard dock or the likes)

I use Edge to view PDF, and use Word to edit them

[TetraSky]

I use Edge to view PDF, and use Word to edit them

Does Edge PDF reading mode allow for changing the color of the background and the text? I simply can't read black text on a bright white background for a long period of time, it just hurts my eyes, especially if I'm reading late at night. (even with F.lux)

 

Edit : Nope, or if it does, I simply can't find the option.. I found "reading mode : dark", which did absolutely nothing, so I'm guessing it doesn't affect PDFs.

[PlayStation 2]

The pro 1 is probably selling like hot cakes

its useless but it still probably is

This. It's fucking useless at best and an unproductive $800+ at worst.

I didn't exactly like the Surface concept at first but realized it was bloody brilliant.

[PepeSilvia]

I'm pretty much 100% hoping McSoft make a tablet that competes with low end android tabs. Mainly because because the Glalxy TabPRO i bought for cheap was pretty much abandoned as soon as the S line came out. The only open distro for it (that's halfway decent) is CM for the same reason. Samsung knox made that a massive hassle and means that even if they somehow magically decided to support their product line i probs wouldn't get OTA's. It legit never occurred to me that a big name like samsung would put out a 'computer' and then not support it even with basic patches.

 

I think McSoft has a chance here to offer some variety without at the very least androids fragmentation or apples walled garden. IF - they can put out a reasonably workable tab that's not massively oversized and works primarily as a smart tab (as opposed to 2in1), and a functional tab OS i'd definitely go for it. My use case isn't super typical though, i have an old laptop for laptoping and a desktop for desk'ing.

 

The only other stuff i'm considering atm is a CyanoTab or one of these so called "modular tabs" (if they ever actually get one off the ground). Otherwise i might just get an OTT wifi e-reader.... I get supped pissed at the idea of having to buy a new thing every year or two cause the old thing's software is out of date..

 

As for McSoft, everything's gonna hinge on UI/UX and keeping an updated, stable operating system.... high hopes i suppose

[PlayStation 2]

I'm pretty much 100% hoping McSoft make a tablet that competes with low end android tabs. Mainly because because the Glalxy TabPRO i bought for cheap was pretty much abandoned as soon as the S line came out. The only open distro for it (that's halfway decent) is CM for the same reason. Samsung knox made that a massive hassle and means that even if they somehow magically decided to support their product line i probs wouldn't get OTA's. It legit never occurred to me that a big name like samsung would put out a 'computer' and then not support it even with basic patches.

 

I think McSoft has a chance here to offer some variety without at the very least androids fragmentation or apples walled garden. IF - they can put out a reasonably workable tab that's not massively oversized and works primarily as a smart tab (as opposed to 2in1), and a functional tab OS i'd definitely go for it. My use case isn't super typical though, i have an old laptop for laptoping and a desktop for desk'ing.

 

The only other stuff i'm considering atm is a CyanoTab or one of these so called "modular tabs" (if they ever actually get one off the ground). Otherwise i might just get an OTT wifi e-reader.... I get supped pissed at the idea of having to buy a new thing every year or two cause the old thing's software is out of date..

 

As for McSoft, everything's gonna hinge on UI/UX and keeping an updated, stable operating system.... high hopes i suppose

I'd love to see MS to capitalize on the low end tablet market, say Microsoft Lumia Tab?

[GoodBytes]

Microsoft won't touch lower markets. Surface non-Pro is where it stops. The idea of the Surface line is not great price for what you get. Microsoft isn't competing against OEMs. They are making a device that OEM has failed to make since ever, with an ultimate goal to push OEM to pursue and surpass the Surface line, and provide consumer a device with the best Windows experience. Junk free, bloat free (too much even, would be nice to have things like the Intel graphics control panel), super fast, reliable, and solid experience, on a solid device. Not to mention, while not Apple level, significantly better after sale service, compared to OEMs. You pay a premium for all this.

Personally, I would have like Microsoft to push things further, like push for another port, say USB Type-C, No driver control panel panels? fine, put it in Windows OS the options, NVMe storage, better SSD (it's not bad or anything, you just can always get better, say Samsung 850 Pro), PWM free backlight monitor, dedicated GPU on the Surface Pro. But I guess most of the energy of the Surface team went on the Surface Book, so they only upgraded the CPU, and worked on the cover keyboard for the Pro 4 (and updated all hardware to the last gen).

[whitedragon101]

I couldn't believe it when I discovered the latest windows 10 tabs are actually running windows 10 and can run desktop apps.

 

I just bought a £59 ($88) 8" Windows 10 tablet yesterday on a black friday deal with intel atom 3735f 1.3-1.8ghz quad core, 32gb ssd, micro SD slot, 2gb ram, ips screen

 

I runs everything I throw at it and its both a tablet and desktop that weighs 300grams.  Amazing.  £59!!! Thats the cost of an apple charger.

 

I have an Apple Macbook Pro and an Apple iPhone but for tablets I know think I would now choose a Windows 10 tablet.  Having it run desktop windows 10 and function as a tablet changes everything for me.  If I have my windows 10 tablet with me the phrase "I can't do that I don't have my laptop with me" is gone.

 

I looked at the more expensive Surface and Surface Pro and I think I can see me getting one in the future (probably a surface) when they are a little thinner, lighter and maybe cheaper.

 

Surface RT = No-one makes apps for it. waste of money

Windows 10 = Holy crap I can carry my desktop around with me

[DigitalHermit]

Everytime I said that an Apple product won't sale, it does marvelously, sooo. I think it well sale well. iPad Pro 2 will probably sale like hot cakes.

Well if the next iteration of the iPad Pro features an x86 (even better if it also has x86_64) capable chip specs and a OSX, it might be more attractive as a competitor to whatever Surface Pro is out at the time of its release...

As of now, the only thing that I see limiting the iPad Pro is the lack of software for the device to earn the 'Pro' status...

It's either the devs compromise and start rolling out actual productivity software aimed at iOS and the iPad Pro or Apple buckles and builds the next iPad Pro closer to the MacBook line of devices...

either way, I'm not in their target consumer base...

[whitedragon101]

Well if the next iteration of the iPad Pro features an x86 (even better if it also has x86_64) capable chip specs and a OSX, it might be more attractive as a competitor to whatever Surface Pro is out at the time of its release...

As of now, the only thing that I see limiting the iPad Pro is the lack of software for the device to earn the 'Pro' status...

It's either the devs compromise and start rolling out actual productivity software aimed at iOS and the iPad Pro or Apple buckles and builds the next iPad Pro closer to the MacBook line of devices...

either way, I'm not in their target consumer base...

 

If they put OSX on their tablets that would be a killer option.  All the great UI and link ins with the apple ecosystem with the power of OSX.

[PepeSilvia]

-snips-

 

Yeah i think  you make some good points there. I imagine a dedicated GPU would nerf the battery life a bit though. I think what i'd probably like to see on the low end would be 8-10" wifi remote desktop type of thing. I'm still looking around before after chrissy sales... It would be nice to see something like a 'surface remote'. Very much as you said "best Windows experience. Junk free, bloat free (too much even, would be nice to have things like the Intel graphics control panel), super fast, reliable, and solid experience". Maybe not super fast CPU but killer GP, screen, wifi etc... I've got a desktop and an old lappy but it'd be great to have a screen i can use if i'm not at my desk and cbf w/laptop...

 

I'd love to see MS to capitalize on the low end tablet market, say Microsoft Lumia Tab?

Yeah definitely! Something that can stand on it's own for browsing, streaming and basic stuff when i wanna sit in the garden and read or what ever, and then connect to a pc/desktop as a remote touch screen for power users. That'd keep everything in the McSoft eco system and cover most peoples use case on wifi only tabs... then they can go all out with MacGoogs for the portable LTE OTTend