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Exynos 8890 first SoC to hit 100,000 on Antutu

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Source: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Exynos-8890-SoC-produces-record-AnTuTu-benchmark-score-topping-100000_id76214

 

The Exynos 8890, Samsung's next high-powered chipset, set a new record score on the AnTuTu benchmark site. The tally of 103,692 easily topped the 79,000 recently scored by the Kirin 950 SoC, Huawei's new top-of-the-line chip.

Back in September, the Exynos 8890 rewrote the record books at Geekbench. The chip scored an all-time high of 6908 on the multi-core segment of the test. On the single-core test, the Exynos 8890 produced a 2294 score. The chip is produced by Samsung using the 14nm FinFET process. According to earlier reports, Samsung will be employing the Snapdragon 820 for U.S. and Chinese variants of the Galaxy S7. The rest of the world will get the version with the Exynos 8890 under the hood.

This is absolutely crazy, when did we reach 50000? 2013 or something like that?

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"The Compiler isn't optimized" (so tests are inaccurate)

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"The Compiler is hazardously optimized for it, but not other SOC's"

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Can it run pacman at decent FPS?

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May I ask what the point is? What is anyone going to do with that much power on a phone? Why don't we focus on larger batteries and less ridiculous prices?

why not both?

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why not both?

 

They're genrally mutually exclusive. But if we could all three, sure, why not? Although of course, if this was 300$, I'd wonder why we don't have a less powerful version for 150 bucks.

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They're genrally mutually exclusive. But if we could all three, sure, why not? Although of course, if this was 300$, I'd wonder why we don't have a less powerful version for 150 bucks.

the new mi note has a 4 Ah battery, a strong SoC and only costs 200$ for the higher model. So its technically already done

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May I ask what the point is? What is anyone going to do with that much power on a phone? Why don't we focus on larger batteries and less ridiculous prices?

We need more power for full disk encryption (which is becoming mandatory for new high-end Android phones with Android 6.0).

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9742/the-google-nexus-5x-review/4

Performance of the 5X has been sub-par thus far and I think FDE should be blamed.

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the new mi note has a 4 Ah battery, a strong SoC and only costs 200$ for the higher model. So its technically already done

 

but then it lacks high end features like oled. If we could get something like the oneplus x with twice the battery life and the few things it doesn't have, now that would be pretty much perfect.

 

We need more power for full disk encryption (which is becoming mandatory for new high-end Android phones with Android 6.0).

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9742/the-google-nexus-5x-review/4

Performance of the 5X has been sub-par thus far and I think FDE should be blamed.

 

Performance while doing what? Running 3dmark? What's the practical use for more performance? Your apps won't load any faster or run any more smoothly, we've pretty much reached the upper limit for that. It's the same as shoving more pixels in screens that are below 6", beyond 1080p what's the point?

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What's the practical use for more performance? Your apps won't load any faster or run any more smoothly, we've pretty much reached the upper limit for that.

I beg to differ: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Nexus-5X-seems-to-have-some-serious-lag-issues-have-you-experienced-any_id76150

 

there are four main areas that users complain about: encryption, camera slow-downs, throttling and lag.

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All right, but I really think it's a software problem more than anything else. Also, fde is only truly useful in a business setting. If they want to make faster enterprise phones, fair enough, but for consumers it's just unnecessary.

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We need more power for full disk encryption (which is becoming mandatory for new high-end Android phones with Android 6.0).

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9742/the-google-nexus-5x-review/4

Performance of the 5X has been sub-par thus far and I think FDE should be blamed.

The solution to countering the performance hit caused by FDE isn't to make a beefy SoC per se. It's much simpler. Make a fixed function block, whether it's integrated in the SoC or not, for encryption/decryption and it'll be smooth as hell, little to no performance difference and little to no battery drain. Apple has done it for years and Qualcomm at least have the capability, if not the option, to do it as well.

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The solution to countering the performance hit caused by FDE isn't to make a beefy SoC per se. It's much simpler. Make a fixed function block, whether it's integrated in the SoC or not, for encryption/decryption and it'll be smooth as hell, little to no performance difference and little to no battery drain. Apple has done it for years and Qualcomm at least have the capability, if not the option, to do it as well.

Qualcomm has actually already done it. Samsung is doing it in hardware as well on their chips (not sure if it is in the eMMC or the SoC).

 

The problem on Nexus devices (from what I know, I haven't done that much research) is that Google is not implementing support for qcrypto. I am not entirely sure why they aren't doing it (it would fix all performance issues with FDE on Nexus devices) but it is probably because it relies on a bunch of proprietary crap from Qualcomm. It seems like Google does not want to implement all that in stock Android. Someone hacked together a kernel which took advantage of it on the Nexus 6 and storage performance went way up (something like double read/write performance), but there were of stability issues.

 

 

But yeah, getting a beefier CPU is a solution, but it's a very "primitive" solution. Hardware accelerating it is far better.

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but then it lacks high end features like oled. If we could get something like the oneplus x with twice the battery life and the few things it doesn't have, now that would be pretty much perfect.

 

 

Performance while doing what? Running 3dmark? What's the practical use for more performance? Your apps won't load any faster or run any more smoothly, we've pretty much reached the upper limit for that. It's the same as shoving more pixels in screens that are below 6", beyond 1080p what's the point?

 

OLED, at least with my experience with it on the GS6E is that it's still not ready. If you want accurate colors, you have to use the basic color profile. That's fine if you only use your phone indoors because once your outdoors with autobrightness turned on, it'll automatically switch to the adaptive color profile with overblown colors when it needs to boost brightness. This might be a bug with my unit or the current firmware, but the camera app only uses the adaptive color profile instead of the current active color profile so whatever you see in the camera ui isn't what you actually take a picture of, the colors are overblown and you can't tell if the colors you capture are accurate or not. 

 

Higher performance leads to racing to sleep much faster so that you spend less time in the highest performance state and less in idle states where you're sipping power. That's been Intel or nvidia's strategy (can't remember off of the top of my head) for the past couple years- for every 2% increase in performance, there needs to be 1% increase in efficiency. 

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I wonder how much clocked it was for that test. As far as single-core test it's far behind from A9X though.

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I FU***** KNEW ID REGRET MY NEXUS 6P PURCHASE. I knew this jump in soc finfet would MAKE HUGE GAINS BUT 100K HOLY MOTHR.... KK ill be selling nexus 6p and buying next year nexus with SD 820

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Sort of impressive I guess? I'll wait for some real world numbers and devices until I get too excited about it. I mean sure, it'll use a little less power and that's always nice, but I'd really like to see them implement some advances in screens on their phones, like the tech that eliminates one of the layers the light has to pass through, saving 50% of the screen usage.

That's where we'll see some real battery life savings.

 

 

May I ask what the point is? What is anyone going to do with that much power on a phone? Why don't we focus on larger batteries and less ridiculous prices?

I get what you mean here, but I think you're misunderstanding something. It's not like every phone manufacturer produces the batteries they use. AFAIK most order from a catalog of hundreds of different types of cells. Also, I believe Samsung is currently working on improved battery design. It just hasn't made it to a device yet.

The SoC department does not work on batteries. They have different R&D departments for each. Processors are probably just easier to advance.

 

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I wouldn't regret it. You're still a whole year away from the next Nexus release. You may as well just rock it until it comes out.

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We need more power for full disk encryption (which is becoming mandatory for new high-end Android phones with Android 6.0).

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9742/the-google-nexus-5x-review/4

Performance of the 5X has been sub-par thus far and I think FDE should be blamed.

It has nothing to do with full disk encryption.  Mid-high end SoC's all have a dedicated encryption chip that is separate from the SoC that does all the encrypt and decrypt work.  That is why the S6 performs exactly the same in storage tests with or without encryption.

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I get what you mean here, but I think you're misunderstanding something. It's not like every phone manufacturer produces the batteries they use. AFAIK most order from a catalog of hundreds of different types of cells. Also, I believe Samsung is currently working on improved battery design. It just hasn't made it to a device yet.

The SoC department does not work on batteries. They have different R&D departments for each. Processors are probably just easier to advance.

 

They could also just halve the core count so it draws less power. Or stuff twice as much battery in the phone, regardless of how efficient said battery is.

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They could also just halve the core count so it draws less power. Or stuff twice as much battery in the phone, regardless of how efficient said battery is.

Again, do you actually think the team responsible for developing Samsung's SoC has anything to do with the team that designs the phones? Sure they're in communication with each other, but it's not like they're in the decision making process for the device. This isn't a company like OnePlus where there's maybe a couple hundred employees.

 

Twice the battery means twice the thickness and a huge increase in weight, which is an issue with larger devices. I wouldn't want my Note to be any heavier.

 

The SoC draws a very small amount of power in the grand scheme of things. Halving the number of cores really wouldn't save that much battery life at all. You'd be better off looking at better radio management, and advances in panel technology to achieve better battery life.

 

I fail to see why you're so up-in-arms over advancement.

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Again, do you actually think the team responsible for developing Samsung's SoC has anything to do with the team that designs the phones? Sure they're in communication with each other, but it's not like they're in the decision making process for the device. This isn't a company like OnePlus where there's maybe a couple hundred employees.

 

Twice the battery means twice the thickness and a huge increase in weight, which is an issue with larger devices. I wouldn't want my Note to be any heavier.

 

The SoC draws a very small amount of power in the grand scheme of things. Halving the number of cores really wouldn't save that much battery life at all. You'd be better off looking at better radio management, and advances in panel technology to achieve better battery life.

 

I fail to see why you're so up-in-arms over advancement.

 

there must still be a department that decides what both of those divisions need to focus on. I'm not against advancement in any way, but I'm against the idea of 850$ phones when we could be having a just as good experience on a 300$ one, but it simply doesn't happen because samsung etc. are so absorbed in trying to be the fastest at all costs. This sort of soc would be amazing in compute modules on the raspberry pi model (but obviously more expensive, in proportion with the power boost), whereas a phone would benefit more from medium performance, but extremely power sipping chips.

 

On a side nore, we have reached a point where you could legitimately use an arm soc for desktop grade tasks and get intel off its ass, stuffing them in a phone seems pointless when all it does is push the price up and limit the performance potential. Imagine a version of this with 12 high performance cores and none of the heat concerns, comfortably housed in a small form factor desktop pc - it would probably give i3s a run for their money.

 

I do get that phones sell more though, it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to a practical minded guy like me is all.

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This is absolutely crazy, when did we reach 50000? 2013 or something like that?

 

Moore's Law man. Thank god it exists :rolleyes:

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