Samsung/Qualcomm wins court case against NVidia

[Notional]

 

After a failed attempt by NVidia to license their Kepler IP to other companies (resulting in a massive 0 license deals signed), NVidia proceeded to sue Samsung and Qualcomm back in 2014. NVidia claimed to own fundamental graphics IP, being infringed upon.
 

Nvidia alleged the companies infringed its patents with Qualcomm's Snapdragon processors and Samsung's Exynos processors and was seeking to prevent the import of several Samsung products, including its Galaxy smartphones and tablets.

 
Earlier this year the ITC ruled to proceed the court. That court has now made a ruling:
 
Samsung won the case on 2 of the 3 patents in question in the court case. The last patent was ruled void due to prior art, meaning older patents already covered the claimed IP.
 

Samsung Electronics Co Ltd has been cleared on its use of graphics chip technology owned by Nvidia Corp without permission, in a U.S. International Trade Commission ruling on Friday.

Judge Thomas Pender said Samsung did not infringe two Nvidia patents, and while it did infringe a third, he ruled that patent is invalid because it was not a new invention compared with previously known patents.

 
However the case does not end here.

 

Nvidia spokesman Robert Sherbin said the ruling will be reviewed by the full commission, which will make a final decision on the dispute in February. "We remain confident in our case," he said.

Now the interesting part is what is going to happen with Samsung's counter suit against NVidia and a boutique store called Velocity Micro using NVidia cards in their computers.
 

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Source
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/09/us-nvidia-samsung-elec-idUSKCN0S32AF20151009
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Sources for history

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/graphics/display/20140219235248_Nvidia_Has_Not_Signed_a_Single_Kepler_IP_Licensing_Deal.html
http://www.legitreviews.com/nvidia-claims-samsung-qualcomm-infringed-7-nvidia-gpu-patents_149894
http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/343274-nvidia-winning-against-samsung-in-court/

 

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My personal opinion

 

NVidia's failed attempt at forcing companies to license their Kepler IP has been a joke from day one. Suing Samsung and Qualcomm was even more stupid.

 

The consequences of NVidia winning would be damaging to the entire tech industry, or as John Carmack said:

 

 

This is very very good news indeed.

[Swndlr]

Lmao fuck off Nvidia get rekt

[aneil1998]

AMD might have hope. #supportAMD #AMDdeservessomelove

[Prysin]

DAMN RIGHT.

 

GOOD...

[Guest Kloaked]

Dey got rekt

[TheAmazingCookieFromSquare]

#AMDFTW

 

AMD sitting in the corner like...cheers everyone!

[patrickjp93]

Still a chance Nvidia could win this. I wouldn't start celebrating just yet.

[Notional]

Still a chance Nvidia could win this. I wouldn't start celebrating just yet.

 

NVidia's ​Kepler license programs was the laughing stock of the tech industry, when it launched. The lawsuit is a joke as well. The American court system (or the ITC at least) finally did something right. Only NVidia share holders would want this.

[Prysin]

Still a chance Nvidia could win this. I wouldn't start celebrating just yet.

Not unless they bribe a lot of people....

 

and nobody wants a kepler GPU now... its all about maxwell R9 300 series....

[Dabombinable]

Not unless they bribe a lot of people....

 

and nobody wants a kepler GPU now... its all about maxwell R9 300 series....

TBH, I think Kepler is the equivalent of GCN in what it offers. However the GPU based around it are weaker than newer GCN iterations, and if it had been continued, I think Maxwell should have been left for portable devices.

[Prysin]

TBH, I think Kepler is the equivalent of GCN in what it offers. However the GPU based around it are weaker than newer GCN iterations, and if it had been continued, I think Maxwell should have been left for portable devices.

Kepler had similar FP64, but they lacked some other features now present in GCN, such as hte color compression that came with the 285. They also had even worse compute then maxwell, like way way worse.

 

Kepler in DX12 will really struggle in games that leverages Async Compute and Async Shaders

[Dabombinable]

Kepler had similar FP64, but they lacked some other features now present in GCN, such as hte color compression that came with the 285. They also had even worse compute then maxwell, like way way worse.

 

Kepler in DX12 will really struggle in games that leverages Async Compute and Async Shaders

Still though, if it had actually been improved upon even further, it would be a very, very good architecture.

[ivan134]

Still though, if it had actually been improved upon even further, it would be a very, very good architecture.

Last time they tried we got

 

 

Seriously, what the fuck has Nvidia been doing with their market lead for almost a decade. They're like 3 times the size of AMD and yet AMD is making superior GPUs.

[LAwLz]

Good news. The patents Nvidia were suing over were really generic and covered essentially all GPUs on the market.

Hopefully Samsung will drop their lawsuits against for example Velocity Micro. To me that seemed like more of a defensive move to highlight how stupid Nvidia suing Samsung was.

[patrickjp93]

Still though, if it had actually been improved upon even further, it would be a very, very good architecture.

Luckily Pascal is Maxwell with all the bells and whistles thrown back in since there's room for it at 16nmFF.

[patrickjp93]

Last time they tried we got.

-snip-

Seriously, what the fuck has Nvidia been doing with their market lead for almost a decade. They're like 3 times the size of AMD and yet AMD is making superior GPUs.

Superior for what? Gaming? Debatable. Compute? Server market says Nvidia. Form factor? Mobile market says Nvidia. Future proofing? Yes, AMD nailed that one. One out of four ain't bad

[Notional]

Superior for what? Gaming? Debatable. Compute? Server market says Nvidia. Form factor? Mobile market says Nvidia. Future proofing? Yes, AMD nailed that one. One out of four ain't bad

 

For DX12 with async compute

For VR headsets for lowest latency (due to LiquidVR)

For highend compute cards (beats everything NVidia has on the market)

 

Kepler and Maxwell are already becoming obsolete, and especially Maxwell will have a very short life of high performance. Remember that when NVidia stops focusing on driver optimizations, the performance will plummet, like we are seeing with a 780 ti getting beat by a 290 on a DX11 game.

 

But on topic, this court case made no sense, and is nothing but patent trolling. I don't like Samsung suing the boutique store, but I would like for NVidia to get hurt badly by the counter suit. I don't like large IT companies pulling bs like this. That goes for Apple too.

[brownninja97]

So the titan couldnt beat the dragon, such a shame.

[VagabondWraith]

Last time they tried we got

Seriously, what the fuck has Nvidia been doing with their market lead for almost a decade. They're like 3 times the size of AMD and yet AMD is making superior GPUs.

Imagine if AMD had nVidia's budget and nVidia AMD's. AMD be like 4 generations ahead.

[Dabombinable]

Last time they tried we got

 

 

Seriously, what the fuck has Nvidia been doing with their market lead for almost a decade. They're like 3 times the size of AMD and yet AMD is making superior GPUs.

:rolleyes: That is before Kepler.

[PlayStation 2]

This shit here is why Nvidia disgusts me.

They do ridiculously stupid shit to force competition out of the game and then lose a court battle because they're dumb.

[ivan134]

:rolleyes: That is before Kepler.

I meant the last time they tried their hand at GPUs that were good at compute.

[ivan134]

Imagine if AMD had nVidia's budget and nVidia AMD's. AMD be like 4 generations ahead.

Who knows? They easily could also be doing asshole anti consumer things and I'd be rooting for Nvidia as the underdog.

[patrickjp93]

For DX12 with async compute

For VR headsets for lowest latency (due to LiquidVR)

For highend compute cards (beats everything NVidia has on the market)

Kepler and Maxwell are already becoming obsolete, and especially Maxwell will have a very short life of high performance. Remember that when NVidia stops focusing on driver optimizations, the performance will plummet, like we are seeing with a 780 ti getting beat by a 290 on a DX11 game.

But on topic, this court case made no sense, and is nothing but patent trolling. I don't like Samsung suing the boutique store, but I would like for NVidia to get hurt badly by the counter suit. I don't like large IT companies pulling bs like this. That goes for Apple too.

Asynchronous Compute isn't a requirement of DX 12. It's also not equivalent to asynchronous shading.

VR, sure.

Nope. Teslas still kick the snot out of AMD's performance in the real world. Only theoretically does AMD win. See Linpack.

[Notional]

Asynchronous Compute isn't a requirement of DX 12. It's also not equivalent to asynchronous shading.

VR, sure.

Nope. Teslas still kick the snot out of AMD's performance in the real world. Only theoretically does AMD win. See Linpack.

 

Not claimed it was, but games are designed to use it on the consoles, and that should for the most part, transfer onto pc ports for AMD programming paths at least. Result is that AMD so far gets a much larger performance boost than NVidia.

 

Is not that only due to cuda programming being better? Sounds like poor programming.