Trying to Understand a Few Things About G-Sync, Help Me Out

[Iron_Man*22]

Here's the deal, I and completely re-doing my computer setup and I'm stuck on this part (what's the point of getting dual SLI 980ti's and a i7-5930K if I can't really see the performance differance??). I can't decide between a triple monitor setup or a single Ultra Wide 4K monitor. That's another topic for another day. Here is my wish list for the Perfect Monitor: very thin bezel, 144hz, 1ms, 4k, 27"-28", IPS, G-Sync, Full rotation/Mountable. Now if they had that dream monitor then I'm sure it'd be like $1200 at least.

 

But here's my question in regards to G-Sync: I wonder if some of these G-sync 4k monitors that are 60-75 Hz make up for the lack of 144 Hz because of the G-Sync? For example, If I were to game on an ASUS VG248QE (144 HZ, 1 ms response time), would I see the same performance on a 60 - 75 HZ 4K (1-2 ms) monitor with G-Sync? The goal being trying to hit 60 fps. Obviously a 144 HZ G-Sync 4k 1 ms monitor would be the best but they don't have those. 

 

Another question I may have, which I KNOW IS DEBATABLE: is there really a big improvement from 2560 x 1440 to 4K for gaming? I know it's personal preference and all that, but I would like to hear some other insights on this. 

[Pooherino ツ]

 

Here's the deal, I and completely re-doing my computer setup and I'm stuck on this part (what's the point of getting dual SLI 980ti's and a i7-5930K if I can't really see the performance differance??). I can't decide between a triple monitor setup or a single Ultra Wide 4K monitor. That's another topic for another day. Here is my wish list for the Perfect Monitor: very thin bezel, 144hz, 1ms, 4k, 27"-28", IPS, G-Sync, Full rotation/Mountable. Now if they had that dream monitor then I'm sure it'd be like $1200 at least.

 

But here's my question in regards to G-Sync: I wonder if some of these G-sync 4k monitors that are 60-75 Hz make up for the lack of 144 Hz because of the G-Sync? For example, If I were to game on an ASUS VG248QE (144 HZ, 1 ms response time), would I see the same performance on a 60 - 75 HZ 4K (1-2 ms) monitor with G-Sync? The goal being trying to hit 60 fps. Obviously a 144 HZ G-Sync 4k 1 ms monitor would be the best but they don't have those. 

 

Another question I may have, which I KNOW IS DEBATABLE: is there really a big improvement from 2560 x 1440 to 4K for gaming? I know it's personal preference and all that, but I would like to hear some other insights on this. 

 

no, G sync doesnt not have anything with refresh rate at all. G sync is a system, that match ur gpu fps to ur monitor, so there is no screen tearing or stuttering.

 Also 4k 144hz doesnt exist.

There might be a little improvement from 1440p to 4k. I had a Samsung 4k monitor and asus rog swift 1440p monitor and its kinda hard to tell the difference. unless u look really close.

[Pooherino ツ]

Also ur dream monitor is DREAM. There is no such thing, thin bezel 1440p 144hz TN panel 27" G sync monitor is ROG Swift. or if u want that exact same monitor with 4ms response time and IPS panel is the Acer xb270

[The Official Czex]

144 Hz is possible at 4k, but IPS at 144 Hz? Nope. The display type can't be driven at such low latencies.

[TheSLSAMG]

no, G sync doesnt not have anything with refresh rate at all

G-SYNC has everything to do with refresh rate, it allows the GPU to dictate the refresh rate of the monitor (within a given range) instead of that happening the other way around with V-Sync or not at all without any sort of sync.

 

G sync is a system, that match ur gpu fps to ur monitor, so there is no screen tearing or stuttering.

Other way. The monitor matches its framerate/refresh rate to your GPU. V-Sync matches the GPU's framerate output to the monitor's refresh rate.

 

And both V-Sync and G-SYNC do this to lose screen tearing, however G-SYNC and FreeSync also serve the purpose to lower latency.

[i_build_nanosuits]

Here's the deal, I and completely re-doing my computer setup and I'm stuck on this part (what's the point of getting dual SLI 980ti's and a i7-5930K if I can't really see the performance differance??). I can't decide between a triple monitor setup or a single Ultra Wide 4K monitor. That's another topic for another day. Here is my wish list for the Perfect Monitor: very thin bezel, 144hz, 1ms, 4k, 27"-28", IPS, G-Sync, Full rotation/Mountable. Now if they had that dream monitor then I'm sure it'd be like $1200 at least.

 

But here's my question in regards to G-Sync: I wonder if some of these G-sync 4k monitors that are 60-75 Hz make up for the lack of 144 Hz because of the G-Sync? For example, If I were to game on an ASUS VG248QE (144 HZ, 1 ms response time), would I see the same performance on a 60 - 75 HZ 4K (1-2 ms) monitor with G-Sync? The goal being trying to hit 60 fps. Obviously a 144 HZ G-Sync 4k 1 ms monitor would be the best but they don't have those. 

 

Another question I may have, which I KNOW IS DEBATABLE: is there really a big improvement from 2560 x 1440 to 4K for gaming? I know it's personal preference and all that, but I would like to hear some other insights on this.

this is the best gaming monitor available right now IMHO

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/acer-monitor-xb270hubprz

As far as i know the max you'll see for 4K monitors is 60hz, hdmi or display port won't support higher (i think, correct me if i'm wrong)...with Gsync it's smooter and no tearing, it's really worth it...50FPS is very playable with Gsync on where as it feel sluggish without it...and 80FPS Gsync or higher is liquid smooth like you've never seen anything THAT smooth...

Havent tried 4K yet, but from what i see 27'' 1440p is a real sweet spot the increase going from 1080p to 1440p is huge and the performance is still overall pretty good.

Here is just for fun so you understand 1440p bring a 77.7% pixel increase, this is my 1440p desktop with a centered 1920x1080 wallpaper...your icons and taskbar and stuff all fit in there, now look around, that's what you are missing.

 

(click to see full size)

for 30'' or less i wouldnt go 4K as i feel the difference would be little, nothing 2xMSAA couldnt get rid of anyways...if you go 60'' TV's or something NOW the difference would be noticeable a lot more IMHO.

 

144 Hz is possible at 4k, but IPS at 144 Hz? Nope. The display type can't be driven at such low latencies.

 

it's the other way around:

 

144hz IPS 1440p Gsync:

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/acer-monitor-xb270hubprz

 

and i have yet to see any 4K display that can do more than 60hz (correct me if i'm wrong)

[The Official Czex]

this is the best gaming monitor IMHO available right now IMHO

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/acer-monitor-xb270hubprz

As far as i know the max you'll see for 4K monitors is 60hz, hdmi or display port won't support higher (i think, correct me if i'm wrong)...with Gsync it's smooter and no tearing, it's really worth it...50FPS is very playable with Gsync on where as it feel sluggish without it...and 80FPS Gsync or higher is liquid smooth like you've never seen anything THAT smooth...

Havent tried 4K yet, but from what i see 27'' 1440p is a real sweet spot the increase going from 1080p to 1440p is huge and the performance is still overall pretty good.

Here is just for fun so you understand 1440p bring a 77.7% pixel increase, this is my 1440p desktop with a centered 1920x1080 wallpaper...your icons and taskbar and stuff all fit in there, now look around, that's what you are missing.

 

(click to see full size)

for 30'' or less i wouldnt go 4K as i feel the difference would be little, nothing 2xMSAA couldnt get rid of anyways...if you go 60'' TV's or something NOW the difference would be noticeable a lot more IMHO.

 

144hz IPS 1440p Gsync:

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/acer-monitor-xb270hubprz

 

Sadly not 4k.

[i_build_nanosuits]

Sadly not 4k.

NOTHING can do more than 60hz at 4K ...TN, IPS, AHVA...name it...they all tap out at 60hz the output plug doesnt even have enough bandwith  IIRC...

 

truth is, if you want the best gaming experience it's at 1440p...honestly...a 30'' IPS 144hz Gsync would be amazing, but that does not exist so you have to settle to 27'' which IMHO is the only ''weakness'' for the Acer XB270HU...i would love mine to be 28'' or 30''. Other than that it's a flawless gaming display.

[Pooherino ツ]

G-SYNC has everything to do with refresh rate, it allows the GPU to dictate the refresh rate of the monitor (within a given range) instead of that happening the other way around with V-Sync or not at all without any sort of sync.

 

Other way. The monitor matches its framerate/refresh rate to your GPU. V-Sync matches the GPU's framerate output to the monitor's refresh rate.

 

And both V-Sync and G-SYNC do this to lose screen tearing, however G-SYNC and FreeSync also serve the purpose to lower latency.

Yeah but G sync doesnt boost ur 60hz monitor to look like 144hz. Thats what he is saying

[Pooherino ツ]

G-SYNC has everything to do with refresh rate, it allows the GPU to dictate the refresh rate of the monitor (within a given range) instead of that happening the other way around with V-Sync or not at all without any sort of sync.

 

Other way. The monitor matches its framerate/refresh rate to your GPU. V-Sync matches the GPU's framerate output to the monitor's refresh rate.

 

And both V-Sync and G-SYNC do this to lose screen tearing, however G-SYNC and FreeSync also serve the purpose to lower latency.

and why u quoting me for the second one? Help the person who is asking the question, I already have an rog swift, and been using it for a while so I dont know anything.

[The Official Czex]

NOTHING can do more than 60hz at 4K ...TN, IPS, AHVA...name it...they all tap out at 60hz the output plug doesnt even have enough bandwith  IIRC...

 

truth is, if you want the best gaming experience it's at 1440p...honestly...a 30'' IPS 144hz Gsync would be amazing, but that does not exist so you have to settle to 27'' which IMHO is the only ''weakness'' for the Acer XB270HU...i would love mine to be 28'' or 30''. Other than that it's a flawless gaming display.

 

It's so depressing, isn't it?

[i_build_nanosuits]

It's so depressing, isn't it?

not really, as i said 4K to be useful and worth the performance impact in some ways IMHO has to be seen at like 40" minimum...idealy 50"+ and i have absolutely no room for such a giant display on my desk right now

 

But i feel 30'' 1440p IPS 144hz Gsync would be amazing, 30" would still fit on my desk that's why

[The Official Czex]

not really, as i said 4K to be useful and worth the performance impact in some ways IMHO has to be seen at like 40" minimum...idealy 50"+ and i have absolutely no room for such a giant display on my desk right now

 

But i feel 30'' 1440p IPS 144hz Gsync would be amazing, 30" would still fit on my desk that's why

 

But I have that desk space, tho... 

[Monkey Dust]

 

and i have yet to see any 4K display that can do more than 60hz (correct me if i'm wrong)

 

The Display Port 1.3 standard can carry enough data for 4K at 120Hz, or 8K at 60Hz, but as far as I'm aware we don't have any graphics cards that support it yet, or monitors. Hopefully we'll start to see it on Nvidas Pascal cards next year. Display port 1.2/1.2a which all current graphics cards use, and HDMI 2.0, cap out at 4K 60Hz, so even if the manufacturers made a 120Hz 4K panel, you couldn't currently drive it at that refresh rate.

[Glenwing]

The Display Port 1.3 standard can carry enough data for 4K at 120Hz, or 8K at 60Hz, but as far as I'm aware we don't have any graphics cards that support it yet, or monitors. Hopefully we'll start to see it on Nvidas Pascal cards next year. Display port 1.2/1.2a which all current graphics cards use, and HDMI 2.0, cap out at 4K 60Hz, so even if the manufacturers made a 120Hz 4K panel, you couldn't currently drive it at that refresh rate.

 

DisplayPort 1.3 caps out at 30Hz at 8K unless you use compression.

[Stuman1]

Also ur dream monitor is DREAM. There is no such thing, thin bezel 1440p 144hz TN panel 27" G sync monitor is ROG Swift. or if u want that exact same monitor with 4ms response time and IPS panel is the Acer xb270

Yeah, but if you want to wait a little bit, the Acer Predator X34 is quite close to his dream, just not 4k, only 100hz, but it's Ultrawide instead, so the pixel count is close enough to 4k.

[Pooherino ツ]

Yeah, but if you want to wait a little bit, the Acer Predator X34 is quite close to his dream, just not 4k, only 100hz, but it's Ultrawide instead, so the pixel count is close enough to 4k.

yeah but he said 27-28 inch and full rotation. that thing's included stand wont even have much movement at all. maybe just tilt