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Can i overclock my amd processor to around 3 ghz with the stock cooler p.s. my motherboard is Gigabyte GA-M61PME-S2

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Possibly.

 

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Can i overclock my amd processor to around 3 ghz with the stock cooler p.s. my motherboard is Gigabyte GA-M61PME-S2

 

Depending on which version of the Athlon 64 X2 5000+ you have, you should be able to achieve 3.0 GHz relatively easily -- given the X2 5000+ runs at 2.6 GHz stock.

 

Check, CPU-Z, and give us what revision of the Athlon 64 X2 5000+ you have. There are several variants.

  • Athlon 64 X2 5000+, 2.6 GHz, Windsor Core, 90nm, 89W, released May 2006
  • Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (F3), 2.6 GHz, Windsor Core (energy efficient version) , 90nm, 65W, released February 2007
  • Athlon 64 X2 5000+, 2.6 GHz, Brisbane Core, 65nm, 65W, released December 2006 / October 2007 -- October 2007 version using a higher stock Core Voltage
  • Athlon 64 X2 5000+ Black Edition (UNLOCKED MULTIPLIER), 2.6 GHz, Brisbane Core, 65nm, 65W, released September 2007

Ideally you want a "Brisbane" variant, as they have a record of overclocking a bit further.

 

The Athlon 64 X2 5000+ , aside from the "Black Edition" variant, has a locked multiplier, so you can only overclocking by increasing the FSB / Base Clock. The drawback of overclocking with FSB is that is also affects the frequency of the Memory, and HTT link, so you need to be careful.

 

 

In the past, I had a Athlon 64 X2 4400+ (2.3GHz, 200 x 11.5), and I was able to overclock it to 2.66 GHz (231 x 11.5) with the stock voltage.

That is equivalent to almost to a Athlon 64 X2 5200+ (2.7 GHz)...from a 4400+.

Then...I got my hands on a Athlon 64 X2 6000+ "Windsor", and have been using it in my HTPC since (planning to finally get rid of this system soon)

 

 

Tips:

  1. Keep the HTT (HyperTransporT) as close to the stock 1000 MHz , or even slightly under, if possible. Increasing the HTT too much will screw with the system's stability.
  2. You can usually squeeze a few MHz more by changing the Command Rate of the RAM from 1T, to 2T.
  3. If you are using the default HSF do not supply more than 0.2V over stock to the CPU. People who are running high vCore's either have good aftermarket cooling or they don't care about destroying the CPU.
  4. Keep your RAM as close to stock speeds as you can (i.e. run a divider in the BIOS).

 

This is a bit old, heck the CPU is old, but may come in useful.

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1804

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My asrock 785 with an old x3 runs stock at 2 ghz or so. I am stable with a 10 % overclock, pretty stable at 15% but i see some wierd behavior sometimes. 50% overclock I have to open the case and clear the CMOS to get it to start again. This is just using the BIOS easy overclock feature cause basically I was bored one day and decided to mess with it.

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Depending on which version of the Athlon 64 X2 5000+ you have, you should be able to achieve 3.0 GHz relatively easily -- given the X2 5000+ runs at 2.6 GHz stock.

 

Check, CPU-Z, and give us what revision of the Athlon 64 X2 5000+ you have. There are several variants.

  • Athlon 64 X2 5000+, 2.6 GHz, Windsor Core, 90nm, 89W, released May 2006
  • Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (F3), 2.6 GHz, Windsor Core (energy efficient version) , 90nm, 65W, released February 2007
  • Athlon 64 X2 5000+, 2.6 GHz, Brisbane Core, 65nm, 65W, released December 2006 / October 2007 -- October 2007 version using a higher stock Core Voltage
  • Athlon 64 X2 5000+ Black Edition (UNLOCKED MULTIPLIER), 2.6 GHz, Brisbane Core, 65nm, 65W, released September 2007

Ideally you want a "Brisbane" variant, as they have a record of overclocking a bit further.

 

The Athlon 64 X2 5000+ , aside from the "Black Edition" variant, has a locked multiplier, so you can only overclocking by increasing the FSB / Base Clock. The drawback of overclocking with FSB is that is also affects the frequency of the Memory, and HTT link, so you need to be careful.

 

 

In the past, I had a Athlon 64 X2 4400+ (2.3GHz, 200 x 11.5), and I was able to overclock it to 2.66 GHz (231 x 11.5) with the stock voltage.

That is equivalent to almost to a Athlon 64 X2 5200+ (2.7 GHz)...from a 4400+.

Then...I got my hands on a Athlon 64 X2 6000+ "Windsor", and have been using it in my HTPC since (planning to finally get rid of this system soon)

 

 

Tips:

  1. Keep the HTT (HyperTransporT) as close to the stock 1000 MHz , or even slightly under, if possible. Increasing the HTT too much will screw with the system's stability.
  2. You can usually squeeze a few MHz more by changing the Command Rate of the RAM from 1T, to 2T.
  3. If you are using the default HSF do not supply more than 0.2V over stock to the CPU. People who are running high vCore's either have good aftermarket cooling or they don't care about destroying the CPU.
  4. Keep your RAM as close to stock speeds as you can (i.e. run a divider in the BIOS).

 

This is a bit old, heck the CPU is old, but may come in useful.

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1804

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where should i change the command rate of the ram in the bios?

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where should i change the command rate of the ram in the bios?

 

The settings to adjust the Memory's timings and command rate are in the BIOS, under the option "DRAM Configuration."

 

The link I attached is a professional review article done on the Gigabyte  GA-M61PME-S2. It shows a little bit of the BIOS interface.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/gigabyte-m61pme-s2-motherboard/6/

 

From the what the article says:

...by pressing Control and F1 keys while on the initial setup screen (as in most Gigabyte motherboards), the overclocking options appear.

 

You can adjust the base clock at one megahertz steps, lock the PCI Express clock and adjust multipliers, but there is no voltage adjustments at all.

 

  • Adjust the "CPU Frequency (MHz)" to overclock your Processor. By default, it should be set at 200 to get your 2.6 GHz (200 x 13).
  • "K8 <-> NB HT Speed" should be the setting to adjust the HTT ratio. From what I can see, it will show you the resulting frequency, NOT the ratio/multiplier being used for the HTT.
  • I am unsure what the "K8 <-> NH HT Width" setting is... 
  • "CPU Northbridge Frequency" is the Integrated Memory Controller (IMC). You can leave it on auto, or close to stock as possible -- for now.
  • "Set Memory Clock" adjusts the Memory multiplier. It is on auto by default.
  • "DDRII Timing Items" needs to be set NOT to Auto before you can touch the timings and command rate for the Memory.

If your "Brisbane" Athlon 64 X2 5000+ happens to be a "Black Edition" version, by any lucky chance, then the "CPU Clock Ratio" setting should be available to you.

 

You should not need to mess with anything else in the BIOS (i.e. PCIE clock, or SATA Spread Spectrum, etc) to get your overclock going.

 

The HT frequency, and CPU Northbridge frequency can be verified / seen within CPU-Z.

 

 

First Picture: Depending on what CPU-Z detects, the HT frequency will either be labelled as "HT Link" or "Rated FSB", etc. This image also verifies the stock HT frequency is 1000 MHz. You can also see, the stock "Bus Speed" is 200 MHz, with a 15 multiplier, gives me the 3.00 GHz.

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Second Picture: Depending on what CPU-Z detects, the CPU Northbridge Frequency is labelled as "NB Frequency." For my Athlon 64 X2 6000+, it happens to not show it, but does for my newer AMD Processors. The indicated "DRAM Freuqnecy" is what the actual frequency the DRAM is running at. For DDR2, you multiply the actual by 2x to get your advertised effective memory frequency. In the picture my DRAM is running at 374 MHz because it is a ratio of the FSB / CPU frequency. 374 MHz x 2 = 748 MHz. You can also see all the DRAM timings. Command rate is set to 2T.

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Third Picture: Shows all the relevant information of the Memory you have installed. I have two 2GB kits, totaling to 4GB. They are PC2-6400 400MHz (800 MHz effective), and are Corsair brand. The model number for the kit is CM2X2048-6400CS. This is the DDR2 Corsair XMS2 4GB (2GB X2) memory kit. The JEDEC values are the standard, STOCK, DRAM settings programmed into the DRAM modules.

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