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[updated] The Tech Report won't receive a R9 Fury Nano for review

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I'll reach out to Scott and see if he wants to borrow ours.

remember the drama from Fury X launch when a bunch of hardware review sites were denied a Fury X review sample? covered here: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/385750-amd-did-not-send-review-samples-of-upcoming-series-to-hardware-reviewers-like-ltt-in-time-for-the-16th-reveal/

it's happening again, but so far, only The Tech Report is affected: https://techreport.com/news/28971/wanted-for-review-amd-radeon-r9-nano

 

Although we've covered the Fiji GPU and the Radeon R9 Nano graphics card closely since it was first announced, I've just been informed that AMD has chosen not to provide TR with a product sample for review. The reasons behind this decision aren't clear to me, but whatever.

Here's the deal: we are in need of an R9 Nano card to review. If you're in the industry and somehow have access to one, please contact me at [email protected]<script cf-hash='f9e31' type="text/javascript"> /* */</script> I only need to borrow it for a few days in order to have a look at it. After that, I'll return it to you intact, and the world will have a truly independent review of this intriguing little video card.

As you may be aware, consumers would likely benefit from an independent review of this product, since we suspect AMD's public performance numbers don't reflect the experience of real gamers. We'd very much like to try out our frame-time-based performance testing methods on the Nano.

Thanks!

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update August 4th: http://www.hardocp.com/news/2015/09/03/amd_refuses_to_sample_hardocp_its_new_nano#.VejhSVWqpBf

 

 

AMD Refuses To Sample HardOCP Its New Nano

Not much to say except that AMD has refused to supply HardOCP with a Nano card for review. If we cannot find one by its actual hardware launch date, we will simply purchase one as we usually do when we are turned down.

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http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1041819470&postcount=6

 

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update September 7th (I know .. it's late)

TechPowerUp are in the exact same boat: https://www.techpowerup.com/215776/amd-radeon-r9-nano-review-by-tpu-not.html

 

There won't be a Radeon R9 Nano review on TechPowerUp. AMD says that it has too few review samples for the press. When AMD first held up the Radeon R9 Nano at its "Fiji" GPU unveil, to us it came across as the most promising product based on the chip, even more than the R9 Fury series, its dual-GPU variant, and the food-processor-shaped SFF gaming desktop thing. The prospect of "faster than R9 290X at 175W" is what excited us the most, as that would disrupt NVIDIA's GM204 based products. Unfortunately, the most exciting product by AMD also has the least amount of excitement by AMD itself. 

 

The first signs of that are, AMD making it prohibitively expensive at $650, and not putting it in the hands of the press, for a launch-day review. We're not getting one, and nor do some of our friends on either sides of the Atlantic. AMD is making some of its tallest claims with this product, and it's important (for AMD) that some of those claims are put to the test. A validated product could maybe even convince some to reach for their wallets, to pull out $650.

at this point, I absolutely do not understand what AMD is doing ...

if they seriously don't have the press sample units, what the fuck are they actually launching? or are they precisely avoiding the press because of the claims they made are far fetched? only time will tell

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this one takes the gold trophy for bullcrap: https://twitter.com/amd_roy/status/639930842727497728

 

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update september 10th

 

HARDOCP replies: AMD, Roy Taylor, the Nano, and the Press

 

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I don't understand AMD stance on this; furthermore, I got the feeling that The Tech Report was one sites that had a "familiarity" with AMD's hardware

as it was noted, Tech Report was about a few of the hardware reviewers that didn't got involved in Ashes of Singularity PR benchmark blunder against nVidia

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Sad to see the recent decisions AMD's made.

 

Feels like they've decided that while they're hellbent on digging their own hole, they might aswell dig it deep enough

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Can we put the final nail in the coffin already?

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Sure the card is just on par with 290x/390. 

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Esn6dXv.gif @LinusTech 

ALot of people on TechReport seem like they are not going to give AMD their business because of this. Plus dont post review samples need to be sent back? @LinusTech ?

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Obviously these full fat Fiji chips are scarse. AMD has to pick and choose sadly. People are putting too much into this.

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alot of tech youtubers and reviewers are partnered with nvidia.... getting free stuff from them for their PCs etc.  ..... and being partnered is not that far from being biased...

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I'll reach out to Scott and see if he wants to borrow ours.

 

Can I borrow it :D AMD aren't sending me one either and my tech channel is amazing with all 3 videos and 57 subscribers :)

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alot of tech youtubers and reviewers are partnered with nvidia.... getting free stuff from them for their PCs etc.  ..... and being partnered is not that far from being biased...

Like TB said. It's when you don't realize you are being biased that it is the most dangerous.

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I'll reach out to Scott and see if he wants to borrow ours.

 

 

alot of tech youtubers and reviewers are partnered with nvidia.... getting free stuff from them for their PCs etc.  ..... and being partnered is not that far from being biased...

 

Very strongly agreed.  Even relaying on numbers from testing is no guarantee against bias since one needs a holistic view. Which is 1 reason we need a healthy number of reviews covering as many angles as possible.

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alot of tech youtubers and reviewers are partnered with nvidia.... getting free stuff from them for their PCs etc.  ..... and being partnered is not that far from being biased...

 

I've noticed this a lot with the 3.5GB 970 issue and now again with ACE.  You can tell they're in the pocket of nVidia and are very obviously biased.  They either don't make mention of these issues at all, or downplay them as not a big deal, not important, etc.  nVidia can do no wrong with them.  Caused me to unsubscribe from a lot of tech youtubers. 

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Can I borrow it :D AMD aren't sending me one either and my tech channel is amazing with all 3 videos and 57 subscribers :)

You liar, you have 86 subs. How do you plan on having a proper channel when you don't know know what's going on with it?

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AMD pls stahp diggin'

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AMD pls stahp diggin'

 

You think they should give away these products for free to reviewers, so their actual customers cannot buy them? These cards are limited after all.

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Shit man, 57 subs? How are you not swimming in review sample hardware!?!?!

 

IKR, oh well I have some things in the pipleline ;)

 

You liar, you have 86 subs. How do you plan on having a proper channel when you don't know know what's going on with it?

 

Haha, I just randomly made up the subscriber number, I genuinely had no idea :P

 

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I'm sorry but he says he doesn't understands why then proceeds to immediately and openly accept he's looking for a bias:

 

Although we've covered the Fiji GPU and the Radeon R9 Nano graphics card closely since it was first announced, I've just been informed that AMD has chosen not to provide TR with a product sample for review. The reasons behind this decision aren't clear to me, but whatever.

Here's the deal: we are in need of an R9 Nano card to review. If you're in the industry and somehow have access to one, please contact me at damage@techreport.com. I only need to borrow it for a few days in order to have a look at it. After that, I'll return it to you intact, and the world will have a truly independent review of this intriguing little video card.

As you may be aware, consumers would likely benefit from an independent review of this product, since we suspect AMD's public performance numbers don't reflect the experience of real gamers. We'd very much like to try out our frame-time-based performance testing methods on the Nano.

More over, the implication is that no other independent reviewer will be taking a look: Get off your fucking high horse dipshit, plenty of them will.

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I read tech report article before bed and it's a load on shit. First, I will start off stating that review copies should be paid for. How can a reviewer of anything be completely unbiased if its given for free. Providing free shit to reviewers breed biased opinions. Regardless of who the provided items. This includes video games and tech items. Also lets be very honest here, tech report aren't doing reviews for the love on tech. They are doing this for the love of clicks. I'm TOTALLY against this practice. Protecting the consumer should be their only mission statement.

 

 So again tech report is full of crap. If reviews would practice the idea of buying its own tech related items for review. Companies like EA, Ubisoft, Nvidia, and AMD would have a very hard time getting well known people to paddle their bullshit. As of right now reviewers of tech and video games have fallen from grace. I trust no one. Also this type behavior breeds fanboyism. I dont feel sorry for tech report. They are biased like so many others on the net and youtube. If they are claiming to protect the consumer. Why are they so fucking quite about this Nvidia scandal on Ashes of the Singularity. 

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Well this is interesting...

 

A few issues are related to this. A few notes on this, are required, for clarity...

 

  1. When it came time to do the Fury-X reviews, the graphs at Tech Report showed "GTX 980 Ti" when in fact the card used was an aftermarket overclocked model.
  2. Tech Report Fury-X review, therefore, showed drastically different numbers than all of the other websites which reviewed the card.

 

Do I think AMD is doing the right thing? No. I think that, despite this lack of journalistic integrity on the part of Tech Report, AMD should have still sent them a card.

 

That being said, there is a rather large lack of journalistic integrity PC Gaming Review wide. Reviewers have become, and are nothing more, than 3rd party Public Relations agents for the large tech firms. They tend to, with the exception of a few notable examples such as David Kanter and Joel Hruska (ExtremeTech), lack the critical thinking skills required to question Public Relations and Marketing material being fed to them.

 

A prime example is in how the GeForce GTX 970 memory issue was not discovered by a reviewer, rather, it was discovered by a user. The current big controversy was discovered by myself. What controversy? The controversy surrounding Asynchronous Compute/Shading support on the Maxwell 2 series of GPUs from nVIDIA.

 

Why is it that we, the consumers, have to do all of the heavy lifting? Why do we, the consumers, have to discover these issues? Why aren't those who claim themselves to be journalists doing their jobs?

 

Journalists have always been the guardians of Liberty. They're tasked, and entrusted by the public, to look into various claims being made by those in positions of authority. Tech Reviewers act as the journalists of the Tech world. While I understand that most of them are looking for celebrity and fame, which relies on the acquisition of review samples on day 1, I find it rather curious that their own profit motive is placed before the needs of their viewers and readers.

 

I can't speak for AMD or nVIDIA... but I can speak for PC Gamers and Techies the world over... for consumers. A lot of us are getting tired of this. We're tired of throwing upwards of $1000 on hardware which doesn't function as advertised. We're tired of Tech Journalists acting as 3rd party Public Relations agents in order to retain access to the latest and greatest gadgets. A lot of us want accountability.

 

I'm speaking in general terms. Make of it as you will.

 

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The irony of all this is I actually find Scott Wasson relatively fair and even handed towards amd.  If anything, on a personal level I think Linus and Slick are more biased against amd, and they are getting the nano.

 

This might have something to do with his comments about inflated fury x numbers, which they were, and the inclusion of project cars in that last furxy x benchmark.  He mentioned removing another game, dirt, for favoring amd cards with direct compute, then includes project cars in its stead which forced nvidia gameworks physx that tanked amd performance.  

 

 

But even with all this, listening to his podcasts, I appreciate his desire to get at the why something might be performing a certain way.  

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HARD OCP is in the same boat: http://www.hardocp.com/news/2015/09/03/amd_refuses_to_sample_hardocp_its_new_nano#.VejhSVWqpBf

 

AMD Refuses To Sample HardOCP Its New Nano

Not much to say except that AMD has refused to supply HardOCP with a Nano card for review. If we cannot find one by its actual hardware launch date, we will simply purchase one as we usually do when we are turned down.

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http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1041819470&postcount=6

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