Ips Vs Tn

[José Macedo]

Does the ips panel sacrifice a lot for the looks?

[roasted pinnaple]

what do you mean "sacrifice" ips makes it look better. although you really don't find over 100hz in ips so that's really the only sacrafice

[Whorax]

It depends on the panel. IPS typically looks better but you pay more and you don't get the cool benefits like 144Hz + 1ms response time (on most of them). Good TN panels can also look as good as shitty IPS panels I believe.

 

If you've never used IPS before, and only TN, then it won't really hurt staying with TN if you want the response time advantages that it comes with since you've never used IPS.

[José Macedo]

So ips is kinda always better?

[MegaDave91]

So ips is kinda always better?

Color accuracy will always reign superior with IPS. 

 

That said; not all TN panels are created equally and there some very respectable monitors like the PG278Q and PB287Q, for example.

[shypin]

ips has better color accuracy so its better for professional works

tn has faster response time so its usually better for gaming

[EliasNM]

Does the ips panel sacrifice a lot for the looks?

Tbh, the best way to tell is going to store and seeing the difference. Now from experience IPS panels are better for color but you lose refresh rates and and fast response time, TN on the other hand provides the latter one of the main reasons many players use TN. For overall choosing monitors and rule of thumb is, color = IPS, TN=speed and image accuracy (not color accuracy)

[Guest Strangerbob]

what do you mean "sacrifice" ips makes it look better. although you really don't find over 100hz in ips so that's really the only sacrafice

 

Asus mg279q - 27inch, IPS, 2560x1440, 144hz, freesync

Asus pg279q - 27inch, IPS, 2560x1440, 144hz, gsync

Acer xb270hu - 27inch, IPS, 2560x1440, 144hz, gsync

Eizo fs2735 - 27inch, IPS, 2560x1440, 144hz, freesync

Acer x34 - 34inch, IPS, 3440x1440, 100hz, gsync

[GoodBytes]

The 1ms response time is fairly a miss conception.

They are no standard way of measuring. That is why manufacture states "g-t-g" next to it, for gray to gray. The speed from passing from 1 gray to another. But which gray? Manufactures states that the way response time is measured is based on the application of the monitor.

Gaming monitors rarely have high contrast, meaning black on white being displayed, as most games don't have this. So they 2 grays close together and goes.. voila 1ms!

IPS are more aimed at office work environment, that is why the majority of them are non-glossy, so that you can focus on your work, and not your looks.

(that was a joke). But seriously, as higher contrast is used more on such monitor, manufacture picks further apart grays, making thepanel take more time to get to the color, and will result will appear worst, in comparison.

Also, not all TN panels are good. At work I have a ViewSonic TN 1ms response time. That thing has 25ms response time in reality. Scrolling text or moving a window is horrible. Good news is that this is my secondary monitor, which I don't really use. This highlights the how they are no standard way to measure, and its best or see it as marketing fluff, like dynamic contrast ratio.

The best way to know, is to check out in depth monitor reviews of a monitor to know the real response time.

[EliasNM]

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I think you are getting input lag and response times wrong, 1ms GtG is the time one pixel changes from gray to white then back to gray, imput lag is not based on response times of color change which is a huge misconception. Input lag which is better described as display lag has to do with GPU to monitor communication which is measure in ms however this is not measured by manufacturers because it depends on your GPU and what connection you are using.  

[GoodBytes]

Nope. What I said is correct. I am not confusing response time and input lag.

You can confirm what I said, with the Display FAQ of the forum.

I am quite knowledgeable on monitors. I have done extensive research, and when I used to have more time, even read panel specs sheets, and in depth monitor review sites.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/input_lag.htm

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/speccontent.htm#response%20time

[o0Martin]

I think you are getting input lag and response times wrong, 1ms GtG is the time one pixel changes from gray to white then back to gray, imput lag is not based on response times of color change which is a huge misconception. Input lag which is better described as display lag has to do with GPU to monitor communication which is measure in ms however this is not measured by manufacturers because it depends on your GPU and what connection you are using.  

 

He is saying that the TN with the quoted 1ms G2G that he owns in reality actually has an average response time of 25ms, and then that when he scrolls through test or moves a window he experiences a bad ghosting affect which is the main negative affect that comes with a bad pixel response time. He didn't seem to mention input lag at all I think maybe you are confusing it because you saw the 'ms' unit.

 

Everything he said was correct

[EliasNM]

He is saying that the TN with the quoted 1ms G2G that he owns in reality actually has an average response time of 25ms, and then that when he scrolls through test or moves a window he experiences a bad ghosting affect which is the main negative affect that comes with a bad pixel response time. He didn't seem to mention input lag at all I think maybe you are confusing it because you saw the 'ms' unit.

 

Everything he said was correct

After you watch this come back and tell me I am wrong.

[GoodBytes]

After you watch this come back and tell me I am wrong. Video

I am at work, I can't watch it right now. But I see nothing that tells me he is anything but some random person on YouTube who might be giving wrong information.

All information we provide, you can contact any monitor company and they'll confirm this.

[o0Martin]

After you watch this come back and tell me I am wrong. Video

 

Not going to lie, I'm not going to watch that video, just because I'm not arguing with you, we know, and you know that response time and input lag aren't the same, no one is arguing that. 

 

I was just saying that he wasn't confusing input lag with response time in his post that's all lol

[o0Martin]

@EliasNM 

 

I couldn't help myself I was curious, I ended up watching it loool.

He is trying to say that ghosting is an effect caused by input lag, not response time?

And he justifies that by comparing his two displays, one which has a higher response time than the other, and he does a 'test' to show that the one with the lower quoted g2g actually has more ghosting than the one with the higher quoted g2g, so there for he 'confirms' that ghosting isn't caused by response time, but input lag. 

 

That is wrong!

 

If you read the post @GoodBytes posted then even that should hint to the explanation of why this isn't true. 

Like he said, and like it says in the Display FAQ: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/278610-display-technology-faqmythbuster/page-1

And like it says on many reliable monitor sites like tftcentral: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/speccontent.htm#response time

To put it simply, the quoted G2G Response time is NOT the actual average pixel response time you will get when using the display. 

This is due to a few things, the simplest of which is that the response time for all colours, and different shades of individual colours is not the same, the G2G (Grey to Grey) is normally the lightest possible shade of grey so that they can get the smallest measurement possible and quote it, it's basically a marketing spec, which is common with a lot of specifications in the display world. 

Also no panel actually has a true response time of 1ms, they achieve it through pixel overdrive, but that's a different topic. 

And an IPS panel with a quoted g2g response time of 4ms can be just as bad or worse than one with 8ms in regards to ghosting, that is why sites that go really in depth with monitor reviews will always have a section for the response time and they will quote what they actually see and measure in terms of real life average performance and then give it compared to other displays in the similar field. 

 

Like for example: 

 

On that you can see the average g2g is completely different to what is quoted, and even though most of them have the same quoted G2G the real world performance is not the same, and some with lower quoted g2g's have a higher average g2g. 

 

That is why the video you linked us is wrong with its first conclusion, he is ill-informed and simply is confused about what response time actually is. 

 

Response time is heavily linked to ghosting. Input lag is not. If it were input lag you wouldn't see any change on the screen at all, because you see the slow pixel colour change you know that ghosting must be something else, and that something else is response time.

That is where your confusion with his original post has come from, but hopefully this clears it up a bit, if not then please do look it up more on the tftcentral link, or Display FAQ (On this forum) that I linked earlier. 

[EliasNM]

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I know your standpoint, I know that real response times are measure from black to white and back to black and depending the refresh rate normally 60Hz response times cannot be lower than 17 ms and that the GtG times are achieved by the time 10% grey reaches the next 10% grey. My fault for stating that and sorry if it was misunderstood, I was trying to make a point on why moving a window can't be called a fault of color response times, but it is understood from your point of view you are correct.