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Pairing an FX 6300 with a GTX 780

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Planning a $500 build for my friend. I'm selling her my 780 for pretty cheap since I'm upgrading soon to 980ti. Obviously the 6300 blows compared to an Intel i5 but would that be fine for gaming? I'm not too familiar with AMD processors since I've always used intel. I just want to make sure there aren't going to be any crazy performance draw backs saving $100 going with an AMD rather than Intel. Trying to keep the overall cost below $500. Not gonna be doing anything but 1080p gaming. 

 

So far I've got this picked out

 

GPU: GTX 780

CPU: AMD FX 6300

Board: MSI 760GMA

 

Thoughts?

My system: http://imgur.com/a/la41r

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Planning a $500 build for my friend. I'm selling her my 780 for pretty cheap since I'm upgrading soon to 980ti. Obviously the 6300 blows compared to an Intel i5 but would that be fine for gaming? I'm not too familiar with AMD processors since I've always used intel. I just want to make sure there aren't going to be any crazy performance draw backs saving $100 going with an AMD rather than Intel. Trying to keep the overall cost below $500. Not gonna be doing anything but 1080p gaming. 

 

So far I've got this picked out

 

GPU: GTX 780

CPU: AMD FX 6300

Board: MSI 760GMA

 

Thoughts?

What is the cost of an i3+motherboard for you? That motherboard would barely (if at all) be good enough for the FX 6300 to run safely, and the FX 6300 will bottleneck the GTX 780 and has poor performance in all tasks that don't use all 6 threads.

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What is the cost of an i3+motherboard for you? That motherboard would barely (if at all) be good enough for the FX 6300 to run safely, and the FX 6300 will bottleneck the GTX 780 and has poor performance in all tasks that don't use all 6 threads.

 

Are there any combos you would recommend? That pair costs about $150 together. 

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What is the cost of an i3+motherboard for you? That motherboard would barely (if at all) be good enough for the FX 6300 to run safely, and the FX 6300 will bottleneck the GTX 780 and has poor performance in all tasks that don't use all 6 threads.

So much of this.

Look into a high clock i3, or shell out the minimal extra for a locked i5 and go with a cheap B series board.

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Are there any combos you would recommend? That pair costs about $150 together. 

Pretty much any LGA1150 motherboard with support for Haswell refresh i3 will do (unless you buy a pre-refresh i3, then you can use older motherboards). Since Haswell has a fully integrated voltage regulator (FIVR) you can use cheaper motherboards with a lower VRM phase count (6+2 is the minimum needed for the FX 6300 to run safely and reliably, Haswell can easily get by with 3+1-even the i7 4790K).

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What games does your friend play?

I would say its not worth it simply for the long run.

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Pretty much any LGA1150 motherboard with support for Haswell refresh i3 will do (unless you buy a pre-refresh i3, then you can use older motherboards). Since Haswell has a fully integrated voltage regulator (FIVR) you can use cheaper motherboards with a lower VRM phase count (6+2 is the minimum needed for the FX 6300 to run safely and reliably, Haswell can easily get by with 3+1-even the i7 4790K).

 

What do you think about the i3 4160 and this motherboard?

http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Intel-6Gbps-Motherboard-GA-H81M-HD3/dp/B00F8AFMDC/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1438748832&sr=1-2&keywords=1150+board

 

 

What games does your friend play?

I would say its not worth it simply for the long run.

 

WOW, Skyrim, Witcher 3, the usual suspects. Just 1920x1080 and she's been using a laptop with an integrated graphics chip from 2010 so just about anything is going to be a gigantic upgrade. Figured my 780 still has a year left on its warranty and I'm grabbing a 980ti as soon as I can anyway. 

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What do you think about the i3 4610 and this motherboard?

http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Intel-6Gbps-Motherboard-GA-H81M-HD3/dp/B00F8AFMDC/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1438748832&sr=1-2&keywords=1150+board

 

 

 

WOW, Skyrim, Witcher 3, the usual suspects. Just 1920x1080 and she's been using a laptop with an integrated graphics chip from 2010 so just about anything is going to be a gigantic upgrade. Figured my 780 still has a year left on its warranty and I'm grabbing a 980ti as soon as I can anyway. 

Go with something else, the 6300 will hold it back.

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Perfect, it supports all LGA1150 CPU with the first Bios.

WOW, Skyrim, Witcher 3, the usual suspects. Just 1920x1080 and she's been using a laptop with an integrated graphics chip from 2010 so just about anything is going to be a gigantic upgrade. Figured my 780 still has a year left on its warranty and I'm grabbing a 980ti as soon as I can anyway. 

The i3 is definitely the best choice then. And just FYI, the FX 6300 was released in 2011, so a computer with it wouldn't be much of an upgrade-even over a laptop CPU 1 year older.

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Pretty much any LGA1150 motherboard with support for Haswell refresh i3 will do (unless you buy a pre-refresh i3, then you can use older motherboards). Since Haswell has a fully integrated voltage regulator (FIVR) you can use cheaper motherboards with a lower VRM phase count (6+2 is the minimum needed for the FX 6300 to run safely and reliably, Haswell can easily get by with 3+1-even the i7 4790K).

no, 4+1 can handle FX6300, the 8320e and 8370e

FX6350 needs 6+2 due to its MUCH higher TDP (FX6300 is 95W, 6350 is 125w)

You cannot get stable OC with 4+1. But normal turbo will work.

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Perfect, it supports all LGA1150 CPU with the first Bios.

The i3 is definitely the best choice then. And just FYI, the FX 6300 was released in 2011, so a computer with it wouldn't be much of an upgrade-even over a laptop CPU 1 year older.

uhm, irregardless of intel or AMD laptop... laptops usually cannot sustain their boost clock for long, so any 4 THREAD desktop CPU will be much faster aslong as IPC and MHz is the same or greater.

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no, 4+1 can handle FX6300, the 8320e and 8370e

FX6350 needs 6+2 due to its MUCH higher TDP (FX6300 is 95W, 6350 is 125w)

You cannot get stable OC with 4+1. But normal turbo will work.

I said safely and reliably-I will not recommend a build that has a very high chance of the motherboard failing and taking out expensive components such as the GTX 780.

 

uhm, irregardless of intel or AMD laptop... laptops usually cannot sustain their boost clock for long, so any 4 THREAD desktop CPU will be much faster aslong as IPC and MHz is the same or greater.

Laptops can sustain their boost clocks quite well depending on the cooling solution. And you obviously haven't actually compared a 2010 AMD or Intel CPU to their desktop counterparts.

 

Also, this is one of the reasons I'm recommending an i3 instead of an FX 6300, which is only 1 year newer than the CPU in the laptop while being worse in every single way for the tasks at hand:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8227/devils-canyon-review-intel-core-i7-4790k-and-i5-4690k/5

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I said safely and reliably-I will not recommend a build that has a very high chance of the motherboard failing and taking out expensive components such as the GTX 780.

 

Laptops can sustain their boost clocks quite well depending on the cooling solution. And you obviously haven't actually compared a 2010 AMD or Intel CPU to their desktop counterparts.

 

Also, this is one of the reasons I'm recommending an i3 instead of an FX 6300, which is only 1 year newer than the CPU in the laptop while being worse in every single way for the tasks at hand:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8227/devils-canyon-review-intel-core-i7-4790k-and-i5-4690k/5

I do not question the i3 being better, in most cases it is (there is exceptions ofc). 4+1 970 and some 78 boards are more then capable of maintaining the 95w parts.

Remember, most AM3 and AM3+ boards were rated for the 100w Phenom II CPus, which were notably more power hungry. The FX6300 is realistically, not that power hungry. Just like intels offerings are a bit more power hungry then what says on the label. Its not much only a few W at max so you hardly notice unless you monitor everything manually.

A 78 board, i would question. A 970 board, they will be fine. They are rated for higher loads then the FX6300 can deliver.

6+2 and 8+2 is only a requirement in cases where you want to OC.

Either way, for OC, you should ideally use a 990FX board due to their bios usually having more options to help you get the OC stable.

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I do not question the i3 being better, in most cases it is (there is exceptions ofc). 4+1 970 and some 78 boards are more then capable of maintaining the 95w parts.

Remember, most AM3 and AM3+ boards were rated for the 100w Phenom II CPus, which were notably more power hungry. The FX6300 is realistically, not that power hungry. Just like intels offerings are a bit more power hungry then what says on the label. Its not much only a few W at max so you hardly notice unless you monitor everything manually.

A 78 board, i would question. A 970 board, they will be fine. They are rated for higher loads then the FX6300 can deliver.

6+2 and 8+2 is only a requirement in cases where you want to OC.

Either way, for OC, you should ideally use a 990FX board due to their bios usually having more options to help you get the OC stable.

Point is, its extremely difficult to recommend a CPU that is 4 years old, performed poorly even when launched, only fits a very niche market, and is marketed as having 6 cores when it can't even be described in the same manner as a standard CPU due to its....odd architecture.

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If you can afford it I can not recommend this build enough. It is by far extremely superior to any other, and great for the price range.

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Headphones: Sennheiser HD800 Headphones  ($1599.95 @ Amazon)
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If you can afford it I can not recommend this build enough. It is by far extremely superior to any other, and great for the price range.

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CPU: Intel Xeon E5-2699 V3 2.3GHz 18-Core OEM/Tray Processor  ($3966.99 @ SuperBiiz)

CPU: Intel Xeon E5-2699 V3 2.3GHz 18-Core OEM/Tray Processor  ($3966.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Thermal Compound: Prolimatech PK-3 Nano Aluminum High-Grade 30g Thermal Paste  ($34.97 @ Amazon)

Motherboard: Asus Z10PE-D16 WS SSI EEB Dual-CPU LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($474.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Memory: Crucial 64GB (4 x 16GB) Registered DDR4-2133 Memory  ($1257.95 @ Adorama)

Memory: Crucial 64GB (4 x 16GB) Registered DDR4-2133 Memory  ($1257.95 @ Adorama)

Memory: Crucial 64GB (4 x 16GB) Registered DDR4-2133 Memory  ($1257.95 @ Adorama)

Memory: Crucial 64GB (4 x 16GB) Registered DDR4-2133 Memory  ($1257.95 @ Adorama)

Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($345.99 @ Best Buy)

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Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($345.99 @ Best Buy)

Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($345.99 @ Best Buy)

Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($345.99 @ Best Buy)

Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($345.99 @ Best Buy)

Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar He8 8TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive

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Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar He8 8TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive

Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar He8 8TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX Titan X 12GB Superclocked Video Card (3-Way SLI)  ($1029.99 @ Amazon)

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX Titan X 12GB Superclocked Video Card (3-Way SLI)  ($1029.99 @ Amazon)

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX Titan X 12GB Superclocked Video Card (3-Way SLI)  ($1029.99 @ Amazon)

Case: Cooler Master Cosmos II (Black) ATX Full Tower Case  ($289.99 @ Newegg)

Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA T2 1600W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($387.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM (64-bit)  ($134.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Sound Card: Creative Labs ZXR 24-bit 192 KHz Sound Card  ($199.99 @ Amazon)

Wireless Network Adapter: Asus PCE-AC68 802.11a/b/g/n/ac PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter  ($79.29 @ SuperBiiz)

Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14 industrialPPC-3000 PWM 158.5 CFM 140mm  Fan  ($27.34 @ OutletPC)

Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14 industrialPPC-3000 PWM 158.5 CFM 140mm  Fan  ($27.34 @ OutletPC)

Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14 industrialPPC-3000 PWM 158.5 CFM 140mm  Fan  ($27.34 @ OutletPC)

Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14 industrialPPC-3000 PWM 158.5 CFM 140mm  Fan  ($27.34 @ OutletPC)

Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14 industrialPPC-3000 PWM 158.5 CFM 140mm  Fan  ($27.34 @ OutletPC)

Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14 industrialPPC-3000 PWM 158.5 CFM 140mm  Fan  ($27.34 @ OutletPC)

Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14 industrialPPC-3000 PWM 158.5 CFM 140mm  Fan  ($27.34 @ OutletPC)

Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14 industrialPPC-3000 PWM 158.5 CFM 140mm  Fan  ($27.34 @ OutletPC)

Monitor: Dell UP2715K 60Hz 27.0" Monitor  ($1760.69 @ Amazon)

Monitor: Dell UP2715K 60Hz 27.0" Monitor  ($1760.69 @ Amazon)

Monitor: Dell UP2715K 60Hz 27.0" Monitor  ($1760.69 @ Amazon)

Keyboard: Razer BlackWidow Chroma Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($162.75 @ Other World Computing)

Mouse: Razer Ouroboros Wireless Laser Mouse  ($123.99 @ B&H)

Headphones: Sennheiser HD800 Headphones  ($1599.95 @ Amazon)

Speakers: Logitech Z906 500W 5.1ch Speakers  ($322.99 @ SuperBiiz)

UPS: Tripp Lite SM3000RM2UTAA UPS  ($1283.96 @ Mac Mall)

Other: Custom Water Cooling Loop ($1000.00)

Total: $29728.33

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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Point is, its extremely difficult to recommend a CPU that is 4 years old, performed poorly even when launched, only fits a very niche market, and is marketed as having 6 cores when it can't even be described in the same manner as a standard CPU due to its....odd architecture.

Uhm, you got this slightly off

 

a few lazy quotes from Wikipedia. This is history anyways, so i wont bother finding review sites to back up dates and shit....

 

Bulldozer is the codename for a microprocessor microarchitecture developed by AMD for the desktop and server markets. It was released on October 12, 2011 as the successor to the K10 microarchitecture.

 

Products based on Piledriver were first released on 15 May 2012 with the AMD Accelerated Processing Unit (APU), code-named Trinity, series of mobile products.[2] APUs aimed at desktops followed in early October 2012 with Piledriver-based FX-series CPUs released later in the month.[3][4]Opteron server processors based upon Piledriver were announced in early December 2012.[5]

 

What does piledriver offer over Bulldozer? And how does Steamroller and Excavator fit into this?

 

The changes over Bulldozer are incremental. Piledriver uses the same "module" design. Its main improvements are to branch prediction and FPU/integer scheduling, along with a switch to hard-edge flip-flops to improve power consumption. This resulted in clock speed gains of 8–10% and a performance increase of around 15% with similar power characteristics.[1] FX-9590 is around 30–35% faster than Bulldozer-based FX-8150, mostly because of higher clock speed.

 

AMD estimated that these improvements will increase instructions per cycle (IPC) up to 30% compared to the first-generation Bulldozer core while maintaining Piledriver's high clock rates with decreased power consumption.[4] The final result was a 9% single-threaded IPC improvement, and 18% multi-threaded IPC improvement over Piledriver.[7]

 

So why is this important to differ? Because Bulldozer is utter SHIT. (piledriver aint much better, but it is improved shit)

 

Here, look at some differences... (just gonna use the 4 core ones, because there is no 8core Steamroller CPU out)

First, Bulldozer VS Piledriver (Piledriver version can turbo 100MHz higher then the Bulldozer version, so consider that, although 100MHz wont make a big difference in general)

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1280?vs=700

Then Bulldozer VS Steamroller

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1280?vs=1497

 

Bear in mind, no Excavator product is out yet, and besides, Excavator is built more like a GPU (extreme density rather then loads of layers). Apart from being a laptop CPU, according to AMD, they recon it has nearly 15-30% better performance then Steamroller, clock for clock, watt for watt. Should take this with a bucket of salt, but there is improvements...

 

 

The only reason i am showing you this, is to make you understand CLEARLY what is the difference. When you say FX, you like most others seem to refer to the abysmal results posted upon launch. Not surprisingly you, like everyone else, probably just assumed the X3XX series was just a rebrand or something. However improvements has been made, vital ones at that. FX isnt just FX. You MUST look which architecture is being used, irregardless of it being a CMT design, there is HUGE differences.

From bulldozer, to Piledriver to Steamroller, IPC wise, you go from being 50%+ to 45% to 37-40% ish behind Haswell. If we could add Excavator into the mix, we would see that AMD has refined CMT to be around 25-18% behing Haswell in IPC, theoretically. The main reason (i think) for Steamroller scoring lower in benchmarks is due to the lack of ANY L3 Cache, which would come into play vs the FX 4130 which has 4MB L3....

 

Either way, the more you know.

 

FX isnt good, by no means, but it is NOT the worst you can get... if nothing else, FX is really good at multi threaded tasks, even if only 4 cores are supported, they still run very well. Unfortunately, really old single core games are terrible on them.

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Not a bad match if you ask me! :D

 

My FX-8370 & GTX 970 works fine as a team! (do not worry they wont fight in the case!) :P

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Qualcomm MSM8926 (T.S.M.C. 28nm) - Microsoft Lumia 640 LTE
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Not a bad match if you ask me! :D

 

My FX-8370 & GTX 970 works fine as a team! (do not worry they wont fight in the case!) :P

Bottlenecks, straight up stop recommending the wrong CPU for the wrong situation.

 

Uhm, you got this slightly off

 

a few lazy quotes from Wikipedia. This is history anyways, so i wont bother finding review sites to back up dates and shit....

 

What does piledriver offer over Bulldozer? And how does Steamroller and Excavator fit into this?

 

So why is this important to differ? Because Bulldozer is utter SHIT. (piledriver aint much better, but it is improved shit)

 

Here, look at some differences... (just gonna use the 4 core ones, because there is no 8core Steamroller CPU out)

First, Bulldozer VS Piledriver (Piledriver version can turbo 100MHz higher then the Bulldozer version, so consider that, although 100MHz wont make a big difference in general)

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1280?vs=700

Then Bulldozer VS Steamroller

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1280?vs=1497

 

Bear in mind, no Excavator product is out yet, and besides, Excavator is built more like a GPU (extreme density rather then loads of layers). Apart from being a laptop CPU, according to AMD, they recon it has nearly 15-30% better performance then Steamroller, clock for clock, watt for watt. Should take this with a bucket of salt, but there is improvements...

 

 

The only reason i am showing you this, is to make you understand CLEARLY what is the difference. When you say FX, you like most others seem to refer to the abysmal results posted upon launch. Not surprisingly you, like everyone else, probably just assumed the X3XX series was just a rebrand or something. However improvements has been made, vital ones at that. FX isnt just FX. You MUST look which architecture is being used, irregardless of it being a CMT design, there is HUGE differences.

From bulldozer, to Piledriver to Steamroller, IPC wise, you go from being 50%+ to 45% to 37-40% ish behind Haswell. If we could add Excavator into the mix, we would see that AMD has refined CMT to be around 25-18% behing Haswell in IPC, theoretically. The main reason (i think) for Steamroller scoring lower in benchmarks is due to the lack of ANY L3 Cache, which would come into play vs the FX 4130 which has 4MB L3....

 

Either way, the more you know.

 

FX isnt good, by no means, but it is NOT the worst you can get... if nothing else, FX is really good at multi threaded tasks, even if only 4 cores are supported, they still run very well. Unfortunately, really old single core games are terrible on them.

Since when are any of the games in the anandtech article that I linked really old?

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Bottlenecks, straight up stop recommending the wrong CPU for the wrong situation.

I have had no bottles but he may have if he aims for 144fps or more... (my monitor is biggest bottle it is only 60hz)

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Mediatek MT2601 (T.S.M.C 28nm) - TicWatch E
Mediatek MT6580 (T.S.M.C 28nm) - TECNO Spark 2 (1GB RAM)
Mediatek MT6592M (T.S.M.C 28nm) - my|phone my32 (orange)
Mediatek MT6592M (T.S.M.C 28nm) - my|phone my32 (yellow)
Mediatek MT6735 (T.S.M.C 28nm) - HMD Nokia 3 Dual SIM
Mediatek MT6737 (T.S.M.C 28nm) - Cherry Mobile Flare S6
Mediatek MT6739 (T.S.M.C 28nm) - my|phone myX8 (blue)
Mediatek MT6739 (T.S.M.C 28nm) - my|phone myX8 (gold)
Mediatek MT6750 (T.S.M.C 28nm) - honor 6C Pro / honor V9 Play
Mediatek MT6765 (T.S.M.C 12nm) - TECNO Pouvoir 3 Plus
Mediatek MT6797D (T.S.M.C 20nm) - my|phone Brown Tab 1
Qualcomm MSM8926 (T.S.M.C. 28nm) - Microsoft Lumia 640 LTE
Qualcomm MSM8974AA (T.S.M.C. 28nm) - Blackberry Passport
Qualcomm SDM710 (Samsung 10nm) - Oppo Realme 3 Pro

 

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I have had no bottles but he may have if he aims for 144fps or more... (my monitor is biggest bottle it is only 60hz)

And yet again, despite being told and shown what the term bottlenecking means, you still have no clue as to what it is. Also, admittedly your one of the few people able to make proper use of your FX CPU, however you should never go above an R9 280/280X/GTX 960/GTX 770 with any FX CPU.

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And yet again, despite being told and shown what the term bottlenecking means, you still have no clue as to what it is. Also, admittedly your one of the few people able to make proper use of your FX CPU, however you should never go above an R9 280/280X/GTX 960/GTX 770 with any FX CPU.

I know what it is and its when the CPU struggles to work with the GPU and then slows it down duh! (which rarely ever happen unless something insane happens in the games but worst drops I seen is near 35-45 range and that is rare and it soon go back to 60 unless I leave vsync off then it reach 90-250 more or less depends on the game! :D

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R20 score MC: 3529cb | R20 score SC: 506cb

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Case: Cooler Master HAF XB Evo Black / Case Fan(s) Front: Noctua NF-A14 ULN 140mm Premium Fans / Case Fan(s) Rear: Corsair Air Series AF120 Quiet Edition (red) / Case Fan(s) Side: Noctua NF-A6x25 FLX 60mm Premium Fan / Controller: Sony Dualshock 4 Wireless (DS4Windows) / Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo / CPU: Intel Core i5-10600, 6-cores, 12-threads, 4.4/4.8GHz, 13,5MB cache (Intel 14nm++ FinFET) / Display: ASUS 24" LED VN247H (67Hz OC) 1920x1080p / GPU: Gigabyte Radeon RX Vega 56 Gaming OC @1501MHz (Samsung 14nm FinFET) / Keyboard: Logitech Desktop K120 (Nordic) / Motherboard: ASUS PRIME B460 PLUS, Socket-LGA1200 / Mouse: Razer Abyssus 2014 / PCI-E: ASRock USB 3.1/A+C (PCI Express x4) / PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA G2, 850W / RAM A1, A2, B1 & B2: DDR4-2666MHz CL13-15-15-15-35-1T "Samsung 8Gbit C-Die" (4x8GB) / Operating System: Windows 10 Home / Sound: Zombee Z300 / Storage 1 & 2: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD / Storage 3: Seagate® Barracuda 2TB HDD / Storage 4: Seagate® Desktop 2TB SSHD / Storage 5: Crucial P1 1000GB M.2 SSD/ Storage 6: Western Digital WD7500BPKX 2.5" HDD / Wi-fi: TP-Link TL-WN851N 11n Wireless Adapter (Qualcomm Atheros)

Zen-II-X6-3600+ (Gaming PC)

R23 score MC: 9893pts | R23 score SC: 1248pts @4.2GHz

R23 score MC: 10151pts | R23 score SC: 1287pts @4.3GHz

R20 score MC: 3688cb | R20 score SC: 489cb

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Case: Medion Micro-ATX Case / Case Fan Front: SUNON MagLev PF70251VX-Q000-S99 70mm / Case Fan Rear: Fanner Tech(Shen Zhen)Co.,LTD. 80mm (Purple) / Controller: Sony Dualshock 4 Wireless (DS4Windows) / Cooler: AMD Near-silent 125w Thermal Solution / CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600, 6-cores, 12-threads, 4.2/4.2GHz, 35MB cache (T.S.M.C. 7nm FinFET) / Display: HP 24" L2445w (64Hz OC) 1920x1200 / GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GD5 OC "Afterburner" @1450MHz (T.S.M.C. 28nm) / GPU: ASUS Radeon RX 6600 XT DUAL OC RDNA2 32CUs @2607MHz (T.S.M.C. 7nm FinFET) / Keyboard: HP KB-0316 PS/2 (Nordic) / Motherboard: ASRock B450M Pro4, Socket-AM4 / Mouse: Razer Abyssus 2014 / PCI-E: ASRock USB 3.1/A+C (PCI Express x4) / PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA G2, 550W / RAM A2 & B2: DDR4-3600MHz CL16-18-8-19-37-1T "SK Hynix 8Gbit CJR" (2x16GB) / Operating System: Windows 10 Home / Sound 1: Zombee Z500 / Sound 2: Logitech Stereo Speakers S-150 / Storage 1 & 2: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD / Storage 3: Western Digital My Passport 2.5" 2TB HDD / Storage 4: Western Digital Elements Desktop 2TB HDD / Storage 5: Kingston A2000 1TB M.2 NVME SSD / Wi-fi & Bluetooth: ASUS PCE-AC55BT Wireless Adapter (Intel)

Vishera-X8-9370 | R20 score MC: 1476cb

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Case: Cooler Master HAF XB Evo Black / Case Fan(s) Front: Noctua NF-A14 ULN 140mm Premium Fans / Case Fan(s) Rear: Corsair Air Series AF120 Quiet Edition (red) / Case Fan(s) Side: Noctua NF-A6x25 FLX 60mm Premium Fan / Case Fan VRM: SUNON MagLev KDE1209PTV3 92mm / Controller: Sony Dualshock 4 Wireless (DS4Windows) / Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo / CPU: AMD FX-8370 (Base: @4.4GHz | Turbo: @4.7GHz) Black Edition Eight-Core (Global Foundries 32nm) / Display: ASUS 24" LED VN247H (67Hz OC) 1920x1080p / GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GD5 OC "Afterburner" @1450MHz (T.S.M.C. 28nm) / GPU: Gigabyte Radeon RX Vega 56 Gaming OC @1501MHz (Samsung 14nm FinFET) / Keyboard: Logitech Desktop K120 (Nordic) / Motherboard: MSI 970 GAMING, Socket-AM3+ / Mouse: Razer Abyssus 2014 / PCI-E: ASRock USB 3.1/A+C (PCI Express x4) / PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA G2, 850W PSU / RAM 1, 2, 3 & 4: Corsair Vengeance DDR3-1866MHz CL8-10-10-28-37-2T (4x4GB) 16.38GB / Operating System 1: Windows 10 Home / Sound: Zombee Z300 / Storage 1: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD (x2) / Storage 2: Seagate® Barracuda 2TB HDD / Storage 3: Seagate® Desktop 2TB SSHD / Wi-fi: TP-Link TL-WN951N 11n Wireless Adapter

Godavari-X4-880K | R20 score MC: 810cb

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Case: Medion Micro-ATX Case / Case Fan Front: SUNON MagLev PF70251VX-Q000-S99 70mm / Case Fan Rear: Fanner Tech(Shen Zhen)Co.,LTD. 80mm (Purple) / Controller: Sony Dualshock 4 Wireless (DS4Windows) / Cooler: AMD Near-silent 95w Thermal Solution / Cooler: AMD Near-silent 125w Thermal Solution / CPU: AMD Athlon X4 860K Black Edition Elite Quad-Core (T.S.M.C. 28nm) / CPU: AMD Athlon X4 880K Black Edition Elite Quad-Core (T.S.M.C. 28nm) / Display: HP 19" Flat Panel L1940 (75Hz) 1280x1024 / GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 SuperSC 2GB (T.S.M.C. 28nm) / GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GD5 OC "Afterburner" @1450MHz (T.S.M.C. 28nm) / Keyboard: HP KB-0316 PS/2 (Nordic) / Motherboard: MSI A78M-E45 V2, Socket-FM2+ / Mouse: Razer Abyssus 2014 / PCI-E: ASRock USB 3.1/A+C (PCI Express x4) / PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA G2, 550W PSU / RAM 1, 2, 3 & 4: SK hynix DDR3-1866MHz CL9-10-11-27-40 (4x4GB) 16.38GB / Operating System 1: Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) / Operating System 2: Windows 10 Home / Sound 1: Zombee Z500 / Sound 2: Logitech Stereo Speakers S-150 / Storage 1: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD (x2) / Storage 2: Western Digital My Passport 2.5" 2TB HDD / Storage 3: Western Digital Elements Desktop 2TB HDD / Wi-fi: TP-Link TL-WN851N 11n Wireless Adapter

Acer Aspire 7738G custom (changed CPU, GPU & Storage)
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CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo P8600, 2-cores, 2-threads, 2.4GHz, 3MB cache (Intel 45nm) / GPU: ATi Radeon HD 4570 515MB DDR2 (T.S.M.C. 55nm) / RAM: DDR2-1066MHz CL7-7-7-20-1T (2x2GB) / Operating System: Windows 10 Home / Storage: Crucial BX500 480GB 3D NAND SATA 2.5" SSD

Complete portable device SoC history:

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Apple A4 - Apple iPod touch (4th generation)
Apple A5 - Apple iPod touch (5th generation)
Apple A9 - Apple iPhone 6s Plus
HiSilicon Kirin 810 (T.S.M.C. 7nm) - Huawei P40 Lite / Huawei nova 7i
Mediatek MT2601 (T.S.M.C 28nm) - TicWatch E
Mediatek MT6580 (T.S.M.C 28nm) - TECNO Spark 2 (1GB RAM)
Mediatek MT6592M (T.S.M.C 28nm) - my|phone my32 (orange)
Mediatek MT6592M (T.S.M.C 28nm) - my|phone my32 (yellow)
Mediatek MT6735 (T.S.M.C 28nm) - HMD Nokia 3 Dual SIM
Mediatek MT6737 (T.S.M.C 28nm) - Cherry Mobile Flare S6
Mediatek MT6739 (T.S.M.C 28nm) - my|phone myX8 (blue)
Mediatek MT6739 (T.S.M.C 28nm) - my|phone myX8 (gold)
Mediatek MT6750 (T.S.M.C 28nm) - honor 6C Pro / honor V9 Play
Mediatek MT6765 (T.S.M.C 12nm) - TECNO Pouvoir 3 Plus
Mediatek MT6797D (T.S.M.C 20nm) - my|phone Brown Tab 1
Qualcomm MSM8926 (T.S.M.C. 28nm) - Microsoft Lumia 640 LTE
Qualcomm MSM8974AA (T.S.M.C. 28nm) - Blackberry Passport
Qualcomm SDM710 (Samsung 10nm) - Oppo Realme 3 Pro

 

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I know what it is and its when the CPU struggles to work with the GPU and then slows it down duh! (which rarely ever happen unless something insane happens in the games but worst drops I seen is near 35-45 range and that is rare and it soon go back to 60 unless I leave vsync off then it reach 90-250 more or less depends on the game! :D

Straight up, an i3 easily beats an FX 6300 in all tasks except ones that make use of more than 4 threads. So its a far better choice overall especially considering its not 4 years old and uses less power.

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Straight up, an i3 easily beats an FX 6300 in all tasks except ones that make use of more than 4 threads. So its a far better choice overall especially considering its not 4 years old and uses less power.

Actually...

See that? :D

 

But yes in dual core games and indie games then yes i3 is better.

Lake-V-X6-10600 (Gaming PC)

R23 score MC: 9190pts | R23 score SC: 1302pts

R20 score MC: 3529cb | R20 score SC: 506cb

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Case: Cooler Master HAF XB Evo Black / Case Fan(s) Front: Noctua NF-A14 ULN 140mm Premium Fans / Case Fan(s) Rear: Corsair Air Series AF120 Quiet Edition (red) / Case Fan(s) Side: Noctua NF-A6x25 FLX 60mm Premium Fan / Controller: Sony Dualshock 4 Wireless (DS4Windows) / Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo / CPU: Intel Core i5-10600, 6-cores, 12-threads, 4.4/4.8GHz, 13,5MB cache (Intel 14nm++ FinFET) / Display: ASUS 24" LED VN247H (67Hz OC) 1920x1080p / GPU: Gigabyte Radeon RX Vega 56 Gaming OC @1501MHz (Samsung 14nm FinFET) / Keyboard: Logitech Desktop K120 (Nordic) / Motherboard: ASUS PRIME B460 PLUS, Socket-LGA1200 / Mouse: Razer Abyssus 2014 / PCI-E: ASRock USB 3.1/A+C (PCI Express x4) / PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA G2, 850W / RAM A1, A2, B1 & B2: DDR4-2666MHz CL13-15-15-15-35-1T "Samsung 8Gbit C-Die" (4x8GB) / Operating System: Windows 10 Home / Sound: Zombee Z300 / Storage 1 & 2: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD / Storage 3: Seagate® Barracuda 2TB HDD / Storage 4: Seagate® Desktop 2TB SSHD / Storage 5: Crucial P1 1000GB M.2 SSD/ Storage 6: Western Digital WD7500BPKX 2.5" HDD / Wi-fi: TP-Link TL-WN851N 11n Wireless Adapter (Qualcomm Atheros)

Zen-II-X6-3600+ (Gaming PC)

R23 score MC: 9893pts | R23 score SC: 1248pts @4.2GHz

R23 score MC: 10151pts | R23 score SC: 1287pts @4.3GHz

R20 score MC: 3688cb | R20 score SC: 489cb

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Case: Medion Micro-ATX Case / Case Fan Front: SUNON MagLev PF70251VX-Q000-S99 70mm / Case Fan Rear: Fanner Tech(Shen Zhen)Co.,LTD. 80mm (Purple) / Controller: Sony Dualshock 4 Wireless (DS4Windows) / Cooler: AMD Near-silent 125w Thermal Solution / CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600, 6-cores, 12-threads, 4.2/4.2GHz, 35MB cache (T.S.M.C. 7nm FinFET) / Display: HP 24" L2445w (64Hz OC) 1920x1200 / GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GD5 OC "Afterburner" @1450MHz (T.S.M.C. 28nm) / GPU: ASUS Radeon RX 6600 XT DUAL OC RDNA2 32CUs @2607MHz (T.S.M.C. 7nm FinFET) / Keyboard: HP KB-0316 PS/2 (Nordic) / Motherboard: ASRock B450M Pro4, Socket-AM4 / Mouse: Razer Abyssus 2014 / PCI-E: ASRock USB 3.1/A+C (PCI Express x4) / PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA G2, 550W / RAM A2 & B2: DDR4-3600MHz CL16-18-8-19-37-1T "SK Hynix 8Gbit CJR" (2x16GB) / Operating System: Windows 10 Home / Sound 1: Zombee Z500 / Sound 2: Logitech Stereo Speakers S-150 / Storage 1 & 2: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD / Storage 3: Western Digital My Passport 2.5" 2TB HDD / Storage 4: Western Digital Elements Desktop 2TB HDD / Storage 5: Kingston A2000 1TB M.2 NVME SSD / Wi-fi & Bluetooth: ASUS PCE-AC55BT Wireless Adapter (Intel)

Vishera-X8-9370 | R20 score MC: 1476cb

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Case: Cooler Master HAF XB Evo Black / Case Fan(s) Front: Noctua NF-A14 ULN 140mm Premium Fans / Case Fan(s) Rear: Corsair Air Series AF120 Quiet Edition (red) / Case Fan(s) Side: Noctua NF-A6x25 FLX 60mm Premium Fan / Case Fan VRM: SUNON MagLev KDE1209PTV3 92mm / Controller: Sony Dualshock 4 Wireless (DS4Windows) / Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo / CPU: AMD FX-8370 (Base: @4.4GHz | Turbo: @4.7GHz) Black Edition Eight-Core (Global Foundries 32nm) / Display: ASUS 24" LED VN247H (67Hz OC) 1920x1080p / GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GD5 OC "Afterburner" @1450MHz (T.S.M.C. 28nm) / GPU: Gigabyte Radeon RX Vega 56 Gaming OC @1501MHz (Samsung 14nm FinFET) / Keyboard: Logitech Desktop K120 (Nordic) / Motherboard: MSI 970 GAMING, Socket-AM3+ / Mouse: Razer Abyssus 2014 / PCI-E: ASRock USB 3.1/A+C (PCI Express x4) / PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA G2, 850W PSU / RAM 1, 2, 3 & 4: Corsair Vengeance DDR3-1866MHz CL8-10-10-28-37-2T (4x4GB) 16.38GB / Operating System 1: Windows 10 Home / Sound: Zombee Z300 / Storage 1: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD (x2) / Storage 2: Seagate® Barracuda 2TB HDD / Storage 3: Seagate® Desktop 2TB SSHD / Wi-fi: TP-Link TL-WN951N 11n Wireless Adapter

Godavari-X4-880K | R20 score MC: 810cb

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Case: Medion Micro-ATX Case / Case Fan Front: SUNON MagLev PF70251VX-Q000-S99 70mm / Case Fan Rear: Fanner Tech(Shen Zhen)Co.,LTD. 80mm (Purple) / Controller: Sony Dualshock 4 Wireless (DS4Windows) / Cooler: AMD Near-silent 95w Thermal Solution / Cooler: AMD Near-silent 125w Thermal Solution / CPU: AMD Athlon X4 860K Black Edition Elite Quad-Core (T.S.M.C. 28nm) / CPU: AMD Athlon X4 880K Black Edition Elite Quad-Core (T.S.M.C. 28nm) / Display: HP 19" Flat Panel L1940 (75Hz) 1280x1024 / GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 SuperSC 2GB (T.S.M.C. 28nm) / GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GD5 OC "Afterburner" @1450MHz (T.S.M.C. 28nm) / Keyboard: HP KB-0316 PS/2 (Nordic) / Motherboard: MSI A78M-E45 V2, Socket-FM2+ / Mouse: Razer Abyssus 2014 / PCI-E: ASRock USB 3.1/A+C (PCI Express x4) / PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA G2, 550W PSU / RAM 1, 2, 3 & 4: SK hynix DDR3-1866MHz CL9-10-11-27-40 (4x4GB) 16.38GB / Operating System 1: Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) / Operating System 2: Windows 10 Home / Sound 1: Zombee Z500 / Sound 2: Logitech Stereo Speakers S-150 / Storage 1: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD (x2) / Storage 2: Western Digital My Passport 2.5" 2TB HDD / Storage 3: Western Digital Elements Desktop 2TB HDD / Wi-fi: TP-Link TL-WN851N 11n Wireless Adapter

Acer Aspire 7738G custom (changed CPU, GPU & Storage)
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CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo P8600, 2-cores, 2-threads, 2.4GHz, 3MB cache (Intel 45nm) / GPU: ATi Radeon HD 4570 515MB DDR2 (T.S.M.C. 55nm) / RAM: DDR2-1066MHz CL7-7-7-20-1T (2x2GB) / Operating System: Windows 10 Home / Storage: Crucial BX500 480GB 3D NAND SATA 2.5" SSD

Complete portable device SoC history:

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Apple A4 - Apple iPod touch (4th generation)
Apple A5 - Apple iPod touch (5th generation)
Apple A9 - Apple iPhone 6s Plus
HiSilicon Kirin 810 (T.S.M.C. 7nm) - Huawei P40 Lite / Huawei nova 7i
Mediatek MT2601 (T.S.M.C 28nm) - TicWatch E
Mediatek MT6580 (T.S.M.C 28nm) - TECNO Spark 2 (1GB RAM)
Mediatek MT6592M (T.S.M.C 28nm) - my|phone my32 (orange)
Mediatek MT6592M (T.S.M.C 28nm) - my|phone my32 (yellow)
Mediatek MT6735 (T.S.M.C 28nm) - HMD Nokia 3 Dual SIM
Mediatek MT6737 (T.S.M.C 28nm) - Cherry Mobile Flare S6
Mediatek MT6739 (T.S.M.C 28nm) - my|phone myX8 (blue)
Mediatek MT6739 (T.S.M.C 28nm) - my|phone myX8 (gold)
Mediatek MT6750 (T.S.M.C 28nm) - honor 6C Pro / honor V9 Play
Mediatek MT6765 (T.S.M.C 12nm) - TECNO Pouvoir 3 Plus
Mediatek MT6797D (T.S.M.C 20nm) - my|phone Brown Tab 1
Qualcomm MSM8926 (T.S.M.C. 28nm) - Microsoft Lumia 640 LTE
Qualcomm MSM8974AA (T.S.M.C. 28nm) - Blackberry Passport
Qualcomm SDM710 (Samsung 10nm) - Oppo Realme 3 Pro

 

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Actually...

See that? :D

 

But yes in dual core games and indie games then yes i3 is better.

And again your also ignoring the frame times. Despite having it pointed out to you several times. Also, the i3 has hyperthreading so in games designed for quad cores it also performs better. Hell, even in Battlefield 4, the game that most of those who own an FX 630/8350 try to use as proof as how good the FX line is, has the i3 performing better. And that first video has the recommended maximum of a GTX 960-so the results are on par with what's expected. The GTX 780 is a fair bit more powerful than the GTX 960 and is bottlenecked more by the FX 6300.

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We do not sell cosmetics. We just blind animals."

 

"Please don't mistake us for Equifax. Those fuckers are evil"

 

This PSA brought to you by Equifacks.
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