Would a i5-4590 4 Core 4.4Ghz bottleneck a GTX 980 Ti OC'd?

[JMJenkins]

As the title asks, I currently have that CPU and would like to know if a 980 Ti would indeed be bottle necked by a i5-4590 running at a boost speed of 4.4ghz, on top of this, what would I need in terms of power, I might need a new PSU depending on the answer.

[Chasem121]

No, it wouldn't.

[Godlygamer23]

No, the CPU wouldn't bottleneck the card. However, what power supply do you currently have?

[SleathX1]

Not at all because it's basically the same chip as the i5 4670k, just with a locked multiplier. So you'll be just fine.

[JMJenkins]

No, the CPU wouldn't bottleneck the card. However, what power supply do you currently have?

As of right now, I cannot check. To put it perspective, I upgraded the motherboard and CPU about 4-5 months ago while the RAM/HD and PSU are all about 5 years old now. A guess I might say the PSU is about 600w Bronze. I might upgrade the RAM as well but for now, I just want to get 1080p/60fps in Witcher 3, right now I'm suffering at 1280*1024 at 30fps on lowest.

[don_svetlio]

Not at all because it's basically the same chip as the i5 4670k, just with a locked multiplier. So you'll be just fine.

4690*

But  yeah, unlikely to bottleneck any single and even some dual GPUs

[don_svetlio]

As of right now, I cannot check. To put it perspective, I upgraded the motherboard and CPU about 4-5 months ago while the RAM/HD and PSU are all about 5 years old now. A guess I might say the PSU is about 600w Bronze. I might upgrade the RAM as well but for now, I just want to get 1080p/60fps in Witcher 3, right now I'm suffering at 1280*1024 at 30fps on lowest.

get a decent PSU before you get a good GPU so as to avoid frying it.

[KemoKa]

Nope. No bottlenecking. Because even an ancient 2500K is hard to bottleneck these days.

[OAcesync]

As of right now, I cannot check. To put it perspective, I upgraded the motherboard and CPU about 4-5 months ago while the RAM/HD and PSU are all about 5 years old now. A guess I might say the PSU is about 600w Bronze. I might upgrade the RAM as well but for now, I just want to get 1080p/60fps in Witcher 3, right now I'm suffering at 1280*1024 at 30fps on lowest.

If you can't identify the PSU then I would definitely replace it with something better like a EVGA GS or Seasonic, 600W should be fine

[SleathX1]

4690*

But  yeah, unlikely to bottleneck any single and even some dual GPUs

OOPS yeah thanks for catching that

[don_svetlio]

OOPS yeah thanks for catching that

No probs

But yeah, 4590 is more than fine for ANY game out atm. Max I ever saw it was 80% in Witcher 3

[SleathX1]

No probs

But yeah, 4590 is more than fine for ANY game out atm. Max I ever saw it was 80% in Witcher 3

Wait wait wait you mean 80% max usage in Task Manager?

[don_svetlio]

Wait wait wait you mean 80% max usage in Task Manager?

Eh, no, 80% usage across all cores as displayed by Aida64 ingame overlay.

[Monarch]

No, it wouldn't.

 

 

No, the CPU wouldn't bottleneck the card. However, what power supply do you currently have?

 

 

Not at all because it's basically the same chip as the i5 4670k, just with a locked multiplier. So you'll be just fine.

 

 

4690*

But  yeah, unlikely to bottleneck any single and even some dual GPUs

 

 

Nope. No bottlenecking. Because even an ancient 2500K is hard to bottleneck these days.

 

What do you mean it won't bottleneck? It depends on what resolution he's talking about, what framerate he wants, what games, what settings, etc. Of course an i5 can bottleneck 980 Ti. It depends on the game and what you're trying to do. 

My 4670K at 4.5 GHz bottlenecks my 970 at 1080p in CPU intensive situations and prevents me from maintaining 60+ fps. Like Novigrad in Witcher 3. Crysis 3 pretty much everywhere, especially areas with a lot of grass due to grass physics. GTA 5 when speeding trough a city with a lot of NPCs on the streets. In BF4 Siege of Shanghai, 64 player servers. These are the types of CPU intensive situations when CPU will hit near 100% on all 4 cores and GPU usage goes down to 60-80%.

[JustChilliing]

What do you mean it won't bottleneck? You don't even know what resolution he's talking about, what framerate he wants, what games, what settings, etc. Of course an i5 can bottleneck 980 Ti. It depends on the game and what you're trying to do. 

My 4670K at 4.5 GHz bottlenecks my 970 at 1080p in CPU intensive situations and prevents me from maintaining 60+ fps. Like Novigrad in Witcher 3. Crysis 3 pretty much everywhere, especially areas with a lot of grass due to grass physics. GTA 5 when speeding trough a city with a lot of NPCs on the streets. In BF4 Siege of Shanghai, 64 player servers. These are the types of CPU intensive situations when CPU will hit near 100% on all 4 cores and GPU usage goes down to 60-80%.

 

My locked 4690​ doesn't bottleneck my 970 SLI at 1080p.

[Monarch]

My locked 4690​ doesn't bottleneck my 970 SLI at 1080p.

 

Define "doesn't bottleneck".

[SleathX1]

 Like Novigrad in Witcher 3. Crysis 3 pretty much everywhere, especially areas with a lot of grass due to grass physics. GTA 5 when speeding trough a city with a lot of NPCs on the streets. In BF4 Siege of Shanghai, 64 player servers. These are the types of CPU intensive situations when CPU will hit near 100% on all 4 cores and GPU usage goes down to 60-80%.

I agree, but those are situations where even an i7 5930k wouldn't provide enough horsepower. 

 

 

My 4670K at 4.5 GHz bottlenecks my 970 at 1080p in CPU intensive situations and prevents me from maintaining 60+ fps. 

Lol

[don_svetlio]

What do you mean it won't bottleneck? It depends on what resolution he's talking about, what framerate he wants, what games, what settings, etc. Of course an i5 can bottleneck 980 Ti. It depends on the game and what you're trying to do. 

My 4670K at 4.5 GHz bottlenecks my 970 at 1080p in CPU intensive situations and prevents me from maintaining 60+ fps. Like Novigrad in Witcher 3. Crysis 3 pretty much everywhere, especially areas with a lot of grass due to grass physics. GTA 5 when speeding trough a city with a lot of NPCs on the streets. In BF4 Siege of Shanghai, 64 player servers. These are the types of CPU intensive situations when CPU will hit near 100% on all 4 cores and GPU usage goes down to 60-80%.

While I do agree that it might, it's not necessary - I play Witcher 3 on medium and I note an average usage of 70% in Novigrad. I guess on Ultra it might reach 100% but on high it doesn't. (shouldn't)

[JustChilliing]

Define "doesn't bottleneck".

 

Wherever I play in the Witcher 3 I don't get any FPS drops, I'm using the bottleneck term as you used it.

[Monarch]

Wherever I play in the Witcher 3 I don't get any FPS drops, I'm using the bottleneck term as you used it.

 

You mean you don't get drops below 60 fps? Go to Novigrad. There'll be a ton of objects and NPCs. Your CPU will hit 100% on all 4 cores, I assure you, and you'll drop below 60 at very high settings. Also try Crysis 3, welcome to the jungle level, very high settings. There's a lot of grass, your CPU will again hit 100% on all cores and down you go with the GPU usage (bottleneck). In BF4, Ultra settings, MSAA 2x Siege of Shanghai 64-player server, same thing.

[Monarch]

I agree, but those are situations where even an i7 5930k wouldn't provide enough horsepower. 

 

 

Lol

 

That's not true. If 4 cores are being maxed out, more than 4 cores won't improve performance? Where's the logic in that? Even HT helps in those situations:

 

 

And what's so funny? Even a 5960X can bottleneck a 970. Heck, it can bottleneck a 660 Ti. It all depends on what you're doing and what you're trying to achieve.

[Godlygamer23]

That's not true. If 4 cores are being maxed out, more than 4 cores won't improve performance?

Not necessarily. If the game only supports a maximum of x cores, adding more won't do anything. Only the architecture and clock speed will help. The logic is there.

[Monarch]

Not necessarily. If the game only supports a maximum of x cores, adding more won't do anything. Only the architecture and clock speed will help. The logic is there.

 

All those CPU heavy games I mentioned are properly multi-threaded. BF4, Crysis 3, Witcher 3, GTA V are games that can take advantage of 6-8 cores/threads. Even in cases where average fps difference is negligible, there's a big difference in frame times. 

 

 

Compare the frametimes with 4790k and 5960X. There's a lot more frame time variance and a lot of frame time spikes with the 4790k. So saying an i5 will not bottleneck a high-end GPU like 980 Ti and CPUs like 4790k, 5820k, 5960X are overkill for gaming is not true.

[Godlygamer23]

So saying an i5 will not bottleneck a high-end GPU like 980 Ti and CPUs like 4790k, 5820k, 5960X are overkill for gaming is not true.

Never claimed anything except for facts - Linus has already proven that games can benefit from more cores, but as of right now, four cores remain the sweet spot. The addition of hyper-threading can also hurt performance, not help it.

[Monarch]

Never claimed anything except for facts - Linus has already proven that games can benefit from more cores, but as of right now, four cores remain the sweet spot. The addition of hyper-threading can also hurt performance, not help it.

 

i5's are OK for mid range rigs, but not for high-end systems. There's a reason why all the latest titles recommend an i7, and there's a reason why sites like Guru3D use 5960X to benchmark graphics cards. i5's are no longer the sweet spot imo. I've seen a lot of complaints when GTA V came out saying their i5's hit 100% and the game stutters. They were confused because they were told i5's are good for gaming and i7's are overkill. Some of them even blamed it on optimization.

Example:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/271590/discussions/0/611703898452050100/

 

I keep seeing threads like that everywhere, even on LTT. Like there was a thread recently here that said his GPU usage drops in Crysis 3 and his i5 is hitting near 100% usage. And then I and some other people have to come there and explain what's going on. 

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/415503-bottlenecking-crysis-3/page-1

 

People should put at least 4-core CPUs with HT in high-end systems with a high-end graphics cards. Even cards like the 970 can be easily bottlenecked at 1080p by i5's. 

 

And that test Linus did is useless. Even the games famous for being heavy on the CPU are not CPU intensive all the time. It depends on the map and what's going on in the game. I can bench BF4 and say I get 100 fps at ultra. But if I play Siege of Shanghai with 64 players, framerate goes down to 40 fps sometimes. Or in Witcher 3, like I already said, the game is only that CPU intensive in Novigrad.