Advice/Clarification if CPU is Bottlenecking my GPU

[MiD]

Hi all, about a month ago I updated my GPU in my system from an HP AMD HD7450 1GB to an EVGA Nvidia GTX 750ti SC.

My system(IK its bad): http://h20564.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=c03522894

 

My CPU is an AMD A6-5400k.

 

The problem I am having is that, when I upgraded to my new GPU I would be able to run games, ok not on the max settings but relatively high, in which i can. however my FPS is not what i expected it to be. For example if I'm playing War Thunder at High (not max or movie) I get a pretty stable 40-50 fps however there are times where it drops to 20fps.

So I screen shotted what both my CPU and GPU were doing during gameplay. (Dual monitors)

 

(If you can't see my FPS is about 35)

 

These two show a more detailed image of MSI after burner and task manager.

 

(Ignore the 60% at end)

 

When I am playing (with only the programs shown in the first image), a game my CPU is at 100% - the second core varies from this down to 70% sometimes, where as my GPU is around 25% to 30ish%.

 

SO... the question is am I being bottlenecked??

 

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Now on a second note would I benefit if i upgraded to a Quad core - AMD A10-5800K?

 

Anyway, thank you for any help you can give.

 

MiD

[Nena Trinity]

If you get a 750Ti then I think a Athlon X4 760K(same as A10-6800K but no iGPU) would be a good CPU upgrade!

[HoiDaniel]

Oh hell yeah the bottleneck is real.

You can see by the GPU usage is not 100% and CPU usage is 100% constantly

[LegacyStijncat]

Now on a second note would I benefit if i upgraded to a Quad core - AMD A10-5800K?

First of all, I'm not an expert on Bottlenecking, so I can't help you with that, sorry.

But that Quad Core, kind-of isn't. Read up my guide to IPC, and that will explain why.

[MiD]

If you get a 750Ti then I think a Athlon X4 760K(same as A10-6800K but no iGPU) would be a good CPU upgrade!

 

Yeh, but I can only upgrade to these: 

 

Trinity Dual-Core A4-5300

 

Trinity Dual-Core A6-5400K

 

Trinity Quad-Core A8-5500

 

Trinity Quad-Core A8-5600K

 

Trinity Quad-Core A10-5700

 

Trinity Quad-Core A10-5800K

 

http://h20564.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docLocale=en_US&docId=emr_na-c03343058

 

Recommended by HP as they only support Trinity, as they don't update their BIOS ;( 

[Nena Trinity]

Yeh, but I can only upgrade to these: 

 

Trinity Dual-Core A4-5300

 

Trinity Dual-Core A6-5400K

 

Trinity Quad-Core A8-5500

 

Trinity Quad-Core A8-5600K

 

Trinity Quad-Core A10-5700

 

Trinity Quad-Core A10-5800K

 

http://h20564.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docLocale=en_US&docId=emr_na-c03343058

 

Recommended by HP as they only support Trinity, as they don't update their BIOS ;( 

So no Athlon X4 760K?

 

Yeah then find the equal to 5800K and insert that!

 

Maybe it is this?

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-Athlon%20II%20X4%20750K.html

[MiD]

So no Athlon X4 760K?

 

Yeah then find the equal to 5800K and insert that!

 

Maybe it is this?

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-Athlon%20II%20X4%20750K.html

 

That could be a possible upgrade.. TY

 

First of all, I'm not an expert on Bottlenecking, so I can't help you with that, sorry.

But that Quad Core, kind-of isn't. Read up my guide to IPC, and that will explain why.

 

Very informative guide (tho I'm pretty competent on the knowledge) but thanks it did teach me about IPC, which I didn't know much about.

[MiD]

Ok did some research: A6-5400K vs A10-5800k

 

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-A6-5400K-vs-AMD-A10-5800K

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/381/AMD_A10-Series_A10-5800K_vs_AMD_A6-Series_A6-5400K.html

 

Then A6-5400K vs Athlon X4 750k

 

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-Athlon-X4-750k-vs-AMD-A6-5400K

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/85/AMD_A6-Series_A6-5400K_vs_AMD_Athlon_X4_750K.html

 

Both are better than my A6 but when comparing the Athlon X4 to the A10-5800k the A10 seems to be a better upgrade.

 

Am I correct here?

[ThE_MarD]

Heyyo,

Eh, I'd go as far as replacing your motherboard and CPU... Sadly that HP link does not show what voltage your memory runs at... so a safe bet?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($96.89 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: ASRock 990FX Extreme3 ATX AM3+/AM3 Motherboard ($91.98 @ Newegg)

Total: $188.87

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-29 15:55 EDT-0400

You can get the cheaper AMD 970 chipset based motherboards... but some need a BIOS update before working with the FX-6300... which is hard to do unless you own an older AMD FX CPU. AMD 990FX chipset is a safer bet.

Either that? Or check eBay or something for a used motherboard and processor. You might luck out and find something good.

Otherwise? You can try shopping around for what your motherboard supports:

http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/cpu/#k=23&sort=a7&page=1

This is the fastest APU you could use... but there's a chance your motherboard won't support it unless HP provided a BIOS update with support for this APU:

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-ad680kwohlbox

[EDIT1]

Btw! MSI Afterburner has options to use in-game overlay to provide you a ticker to see what is bottlenecking your setup whilst you game in fullscreen so you can see it better on the fly.

Use MSI Afterburner

• Install it WITH the RIVIA Tuner Server Monitoring
• Go into the "Settings"
• Go into the "Monitoring" Tab
• Select the Options you wish to monitor with (such as GPU Usage)
• Select "Show in OSD" for each option you want displayed
• Go into the "On-Screen Display" Tab
• Setup a shortcut keyboard combo (I use CTRL ' as an example)
• Launch the game of choice and tap your keyboard combo set in MSI Afterburner
• Enjoy!

Here's an example of my setup on MSI Afterburner(look at the top left) :

http://i.imgur.com/kuT0brY.png

[EDIT1]

There's a BIOS update to your motherboard hmm, I'd highly recommend it before buying any CPU. There's a chance depending on what CPU you get it might not work... There's also a rare chance it can damage your motherboard if your PC suffers power loss during the BIOS update so it is a "use at your own risk"

http://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/HP-Pavilion-p6-2300-Desktop-PC-series/5295969/model/5315216#Z7_3054ICK0KGTE30AQO5O3KA30R1

[MiD]

 

 

Thank you for that response, unfortunately i cannot upgrade that much of my system simply don't have the money, I have enough tho for a CPU. Also I do see the point of why I should upgrade my mobo

 

Did some research on the bios update and it doesn't allow other CPUs to be used other than the recommended, although they may work (any FM2+ CPUs) but I don't rly want to risk it as there have been topics an other forums and HP forums about HP bios not liking certain CPU upgrades.

^And then found out I am running that BIOS version - think I flashed a while back..

[MiD]

Anyway.. With my current system is it worth for me to upgrade to a A10-5800k or the Althon X4 750X??

[ThE_MarD]

Thank you for that response, unfortunately i cannot upgrade that much of my system simply don't have the money, I have enough tho for a CPU. Also I do see the point of why I should upgrade my mobo

 

Did some research on the bios update and it doesn't allow other CPUs to be used other than the recommended, although they may work (any FM2+ CPUs) but I don't rly want to risk it as there have been topics an other forums and HP forums about HP bios not liking certain CPU upgrades.

^And then found out I am running that BIOS version - think I flashed a while back..

Heyyo,

You're welcome amigo

 

Ok did some research: A6-5400K vs A10-5800k

 

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-A6-5400K-vs-AMD-A10-5800K

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/381/AMD_A10-Series_A10-5800K_vs_AMD_A6-Series_A6-5400K.html

 

Then A6-5400K vs Athlon X4 750k

 

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-Athlon-X4-750k-vs-AMD-A6-5400K

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/85/AMD_A6-Series_A6-5400K_vs_AMD_Athlon_X4_750K.html

 

Both are better than my A6 but when comparing the Athlon X4 to the A10-5800k the A10 seems to be a better upgrade.

 

Am I correct here?

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare_CPUs/AMD_AD580KWOA44HJ,AMD_AD750KWOA44HJ/

Comparing them side by side? They're the same core, platform, microarchitecture, L1 and L2 cache sizes. The only difference is the clock speeds. The A10-5800K is clocked higher on the base and turbo frequencies thus it performs a little better. Get the A10-5800K if ya can.

[arniks8]

Anyway.. With my current system is it worth for me to upgrade to a A10-5800k or the Althon X4 750X??

It is worth it, but you should also upgrade your GPU as well ( something like HD7750/7770/r7 250(x) or GTX 650/750 ).

[MiD]

Heyyo,

You're welcome amigo

 

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare_CPUs/AMD_AD580KWOA44HJ,AMD_AD750KWOA44HJ/

Comparing them side by side? They're the same core, platform, microarchitecture, L1 and L2 cache sizes. The only difference is the clock speeds. The A10-5800K is clocked higher on the base and turbo frequencies thus it performs a little better. Get the A10-5800K if ya can.

 

Cheers for everything  

 

It is worth it, but you should also upgrade your GPU as well ( something like HD7750/7770/r7 250(x) or GTX 650/750 ).

 

I have (EVGA 750ti SC) - thats what is bottlenecking me.

[ThE_MarD]

Heyyo,

 

It is worth it, but you should also upgrade your GPU as well ( something like HD7750/7770/r7 250(x) or GTX 650/750 ).

He already did upgrade his GPU to a GTX 750 Ti. Pretty strong little GPU. Pretty much beats out all those GPUs you just mentioned mang.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html

His dual core APU is definitely his bottleneck. He isn't running the crazy overclocking Intel G3258 with really good instructions per clock so he does need to bump up his CPU to a quad core to get a little better performance.

 

Cheers for everything  

 

 

I have (EVGA 750ti SC) - thats what is bottlenecking me.

You're welcome amigo!

The GTX 750 Ti can even beat out an AMD R9 280 with a lower performance CPU in more demanding sequences (check the town section near the end of this vid comparing the i3-4130 framerates). I think it's because of how much more efficient NVIDIA's Maxwell is compared to AMD's GCN. Of course, that story changes as soon as you plop in a proper quad core CPU as the AMD R9 280 can do what it wants. I would have really loved to have seen the same tests run with an AMD FX 6300 as it is a really good for dirt cheap multi-threaded processor.

[MiD]

Heyyo,

 

He already did upgrade his GPU to a GTX 750 Ti. Pretty strong little GPU. Pretty much beats out all those GPUs you just mentioned mang.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html

His dual core APU is definitely his bottleneck. He isn't running the crazy overclocking Intel G3258 with really good instructions per clock so he does need to bump up his CPU to a quad core to get a little better performance.

 

You're welcome amigo!

The GTX 750 Ti can even beat out an AMD R9 280 with a lower performance CPU in more demanding sequences (check the town section near the end of this vid comparing the i3-4130 framerates). I think it's because of how much more efficient NVIDIA's Maxwell is compared to AMD's GCN. Of course, that story changes as soon as you plop in a proper quad core CPU as the AMD R9 280 can do what it wants. I would have really loved to have seen the same tests run with an AMD FX 6300 as it is a really good for dirt cheap multi-threaded processor.

 

Nice facts. Funny that a 750ti can do that .

[arniks8]

Heyyo,

 

He already did upgrade his GPU to a GTX 750 Ti. Pretty strong little GPU. Pretty much beats out all those GPUs you just mentioned mang.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html

His dual core APU is definitely his bottleneck. He isn't running the crazy overclocking Intel G3258 with really good instructions per clock so he does need to bump up his CPU to a quad core to get a little better performance.

 

You're welcome amigo!

The GTX 750 Ti can even beat out an AMD R9 280 with a lower performance CPU in more demanding sequences (check the town section near the end of this vid comparing the i3-4130 framerates). I think it's because of how much more efficient NVIDIA's Maxwell is compared to AMD's GCN. Of course, that story changes as soon as you plop in a proper quad core CPU as the AMD R9 280 can do what it wants. I would have really loved to have seen the same tests run with an AMD FX 6300 as it is a really good for dirt cheap multi-threaded processor.

 

 

Cheers for everything

 

 

I have (EVGA 750ti SC) - thats what is bottlenecking me.

I didn`t see that OP already has a 750ti.