Looking for developers to help on my new project.

[LeightonPC]

Hi there,

 

I am looking for PHP developers and Windows Program developers for my next project. It is a large one, and is not going to be paid until we start getting either investors (unlikely) or it is finished and starts making money. This will put 95% of you off and I 100% understand that. But for those of you who are still interested this is my idea. Fully disclaimer, this is not an original idea... Just some stuff will be very different.

So, we all know steam, and the drama over it recently. My idea is for a non-affiliated company which means that we are not a game developing company ect making it so those games are prioritized and stuff like that. It will have a lower cut that we take which will make it appealing. Yes, I understand that this is hard but I believe that with the right crew this can be done. I am happy to pay for servers, web hosting and stuff like that when we need it but financial help would go a long way if it was available. If you would like more information and feel like you can help add me on Skype LeightonT_ and I will tell you more. I am not asking for an application, it will just be a few questions and I would want to see some stuff that you had done so that I know you can develop.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Leighton

Edited July 6, 2015 by prolemur
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[ZetZet]

g2a, gog, steam, kinguin, origin, greenmangaming. please...

[You_are_a_cunt]

There are enough game distribution platforms out there. We don't need one more

[Minzo]

This will be VERY hard for you. Wish you the best luck!

[LeightonPC]

g2a, gog, steam, kinguin, origin, greenmangaming. please...

Yes, and I know that people were going to comment like this... But may I?

g2a - Store, not a launcher

gog - Publisher

steam - I know, i know and a Publisher

Kinquin - Store, not a launcher

greanmangaming - Store, not a launcher

My goal is to do something different, and I understand how people get mad when there are more than one game re-seller although my plan is different. I know it will be hard but I have the patience and support/sales/management experience to lead this. I have been backed by a hosting company and have been offered other partnerships that I am looking at. We need to try and combat the monopoly they call Steam and stop handing money to GabeN. Haters are going to hate but this is not going to stop me from trying.

I see where all of you are coming from, but steam isn't the best thing out there... Support = Shit, Policies = Shit and the list goes on.

[ZetZet]

We need to try and combat the monopoly they call Steam and stop handing money to GabeN. Haters are going to hate but this is not going to stop me from trying.

I see where all of you are coming from, but steam isn't the best thing out there... Support = Shit, Policies = Shit and the list goes on.

So wait you just want people to put their games on your platform and use them because you have a better launcher? Will you be selling those games? You also have to realise steam is not king because it's the best, it's king because it's reliable, many people have hundreds of games on steam and it's like a bank of games, could you provide service even close to steam in terms of its reliability?

Origin, run by a company that has millions of dollars actually tried that and at first it was SO BAD and I mean it was BAD.

[LeightonPC]

So wait you just want people to put their games on your platform and use them because you have a better launcher? Will you be selling those games? You also have to realise steam is not king because it's the best, it's king because it's reliable, many people have hundreds of games on steam and it's like a bank of games, could you provide service even close to steam in terms of its reliability?

Origin, run by a company that has millions of dollars actually tried that and at first it was SO BAD and I mean it was BAD.

Yes, I 101% understand where you are coming from... I will be offering game developers a better deal than steam and I do have contacts to get new game developers to come put there games with us... You have to understand that I know that it will not be instant. It will take time to get contacts in big game companies but that does not worry me. I can start at the bottom with indie games and work my way up to bigger games. The reliability is a large thing, and I can relate to what you said with the bank of games. I have invested thousands into it, and I dont expect that to come fast. Their reputation is a big part to their success. Again, time is on my side, I am not rushing this so if people just slowly start flowing in rather than rushing in it does not bother me. I am not going away any time soon! 

[LeightonPC]

Just look at him, he already has enough money  

[Nuluvius]

I know it will be hard but I have the patience and support/sales/management experience to lead this. I have been backed by a hosting company and have been offered other partnerships that I am looking at. 

 

...I have invested thousands into it...

 

Hang on, on your profile it states that you are 15. No offence but where and when have you possibly been able to accrue the 'support/sales/management experience' let alone the 'thousands' from exactly? Have you even left school yet?

[LeightonPC]

 

 

 

Hang on, on your profile it states that you are 15. No offence but where and when have you possibly been able to accrue the 'support/sales/management experience' let alone the 'thousands' from exactly? Have you even left school yet?

 

Profile is right, and I am not lying about the experience either... In this day and age people of my age can get into businesses easy. I worked at a local store when I was 14 doing sales, and I have been in the hosting business a lot. I have also run my own development team which got quite successful. From all this I then had the money to spend what I did on steam.

It is illegal to leave school at my age in my country. They are all fair points that you have made, because most people my age dont have that under their belts. 

[RononDex]

One technical question though:

 

Why do you want windows technologies, but use PHP? If you decide to develope on Windows (C#, C++ or whatever) isn't much more easier to use ASP.NET for the website?

[Phinocio]

One technical question though:

 

Why do you want windows technologies, but use PHP? If you decide to develope on Windows (C#, C++ or whatever) isn't much more easier to use ASP.NET for the website?

I assume he's wanting PHP developers for the website and Windows devs for a stand alone client. 

[RononDex]

Well I am sorry to say this, but I think you don't have enough experience to do such a huge project in my opinion.

I mean you really seem mature and may know what you are talking about (at least from what I can see from your post), but knowledge is not everything, you also need a lot of experience to pull something like this off, especially if you want to succesfully copete against those big companies like valve, EA, Ubisoft, ...

[trag1c]

I think it would be a cool project but....

[SpaceNugget]

You have no idea what you are saying.

 

1. You do not have experience.

2. In commercial software development your supposed 'thousands' is peanuts.

3. you can't afford servers for any type of serious distribution.

4. Asking people to work for no pay is against the law in almost every developed country.

5. You likely aren't able to even register a company where you live at 15 without having an adult sign for you.

 

and the problems don't end there.

[RononDex]

[...]

4. Asking people to work for no pay is against the law in almost every developed country.

[...]

 

Really? I dont know any country in europe where this is against the law, not even in the US this is against the law.

Every single charity or non-profit organisation would be game over with such a law...

[Phinocio]

Really? I dont know any country in europe where this is against the law, not even in the US this is against the law.

Every single charity or non-profit organisation would be game over with such a law...

They volunteer knowing they won't get money. If OP promises money to people in exchange for their work (which he has) then never delivers, he's in a ton of trouble. 

I think the biggest issue here is that you can't enter a contract with a minor, which this essentially would be.

[YellowDragon]

What you are proposing is impossible for a person in your position.....notice I said in your position, even if you had all the resources, startup cash and talent it would still be improbable.

 

 

1. your basis on using PhP and Windows app development is incorrect. I'm assuming you have no experience with client server architecture, and if you were focused on a Microsoft stack you would be using ASP.net for both your client and website. If you don't know the technologies involved then you can't even get an effective team together.

 

2. There are legal ramifications for store fronts, you would need a lawyer every step of the way to make sure that you are operating your business within the bounds of the law

 

3. For stuff like a storefront you need the whole software suite of software architects, Programmers and QA, it needs to be secure for handing data transactions.

 

4. Software is expensive....I'm going to be blunt and its going to hurt, programmers and software engineers are paid top dollar in today's industry because there are simply not enough of them and the barrier to entry is a learning curve that dwarfs mount Everest. What if i told you that even the smallest app for a company is on the magnitude of $5,000+ to create it as the manhours in designing and programming it are that much. one programmer with a salary of $50,000 a year would be $26.00/hr, a small company app would run you about a month or $4166, now lets be real 50k is actually really low for alot of programmers when the average as of 2013 was $80,930. Even a small team of developers (5 people) costs $$$$$$$$$$$. With this in mind no one in there right mind does software for free.

[RononDex]

$26.00/hr

Thats very optimistic. I already earn like 40$/hour with an age of 24 in the field of software development...

But well, this is a swiss salary, maybe we get payed more, don't know...

[YellowDragon]

Thats very optimistic. I already earn like 40$/hour with an age of 24 in the field of software development...

But well, this is a swiss salary, maybe we get payed more, don't know...

Thats why I said $50,000 was really low, I just picked the number as it still seems like alot of money compared to other fields.

 

(im 22, 1 college semester left and have been programming since high school. I have had job offers on the table since the middle of junior year and am already looking at 3 offers with each of them in the range of $90,000 - $130,000)

[Nuluvius]

Thats why I said $50,000 was really low, I just picked the number as it still seems like alot of money compared to other fields.

(im 22, 1 college semester left and have been programming since high school. I have had job offers on the table since the middle of junior year and am already looking at 3 offers with each of them in the range of $90,000 - $130,000)

And a freelance wage can be several times that again.

[burnttoastnice]

One technical question though:

 

Why do you want windows technologies, but use PHP? If you decide to develope on Windows (C#, C++ or whatever) isn't much more easier to use ASP.NET for the website?

 

Having used both C#, PHP, and tried ASP.NET C#, I really am not personally convinced that C# is ideal for use as a hypertext preprocessor.

 

Those were however my first impressions, being someone who's used PHP for almost 5 years now. For example, with PHP, I can call an echo ""; statement anywhere. The basic equivalent of that in C# would be Console.WriteLine(""); and I'm used to seeing that within a function. Using Console.WriteLine(); outside a function would seem slightly unusual. And besides that, C# also has a Web namespace for use with online applications, which in my opinion could confuse someone migrating from another preprocessor language such as PHP.

 

On the flipside though, if someone had experience in C# and even less in PHP they would most likely find it much easier to use C# on the web.

[RononDex]

Having used both C#, PHP, and tried ASP.NET C#, I really am not personally convinced that C# is ideal for use as a hypertext preprocessor.

 

Those were however my first impressions, being someone who's used PHP for almost 5 years now. For example, with PHP, I can call an echo ""; statement anywhere. The basic equivalent of that in C# would be Console.WriteLine(""); and I'm used to seeing that within a function. Using Console.WriteLine(); outside a function would seem slightly unusual. And besides that, C# also has a Web namespace for use with online applications, which in my opinion could confuse someone migrating from another preprocessor language such as PHP.

 

On the flipside though, if someone had experience in C# and even less in PHP they would most likely find it much easier to use C# on the web.

 

Seriosuly?

Okay I am having a hard time taking you seriously over here. Trying to "bash" a language, when you don't even know what "Console" means?

You are arguing like a religious person saying "The sun goes up everytime, therefor god". You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

I don't even know where to start...

For first: Console.WriteLine() writes to the CONSOLE, not to an HTML output. Due to this statement I can safely asume you never actually done anything in ASP.NET

Second: The only point where PHP has an advantage are costs (in terms of licensing) and that it is open source. Other than that I don't see any advantages over ASP.NET.

Third: You are clearly a PHP fan, which I have absolutly no problem with. But bashing a technology when not even understanding the MOST BASIC of it (looking at your Console.WriteLine() statement), is just wrong on so many levels.

 

I have programmed with both PHP and ASP.NET for a decade. There are so many reasons why ASP.NET is better for a large scale project as this one.

[Nuluvius]

Oh now this just took a sudden turn from the...

 

 

To the...

 

[LeightonPC]

I guess I just asked the wrong forum...

A lot of what you guys say is true, but other parts are not. I won't be stopped from trying, and it might not work but that doesn't bother me.