Why is the AMD Radeon 300 series re-brand such a bad thing?

[Zoids_12]

After the launch of the 300 series AMD has been copping a lot of flack for the re-branding of their 200 series cards. I'm by no means an AMD fan boy and have used both AMD and Nvidia gpu's in the past and been happy with both. However I'm wondering why this is being seen as such an unforgivable act? Particularly when the performance of the 300 series cards are very competitive with the similarly price GTX 900 series counter part. Even beating the 900 series cards particularly at the lower price point. Developing entirely new processing units is extremely expensive particularly when it may not ensure better performance then their existing chip. So long as AMD passes the saves of not developing totally new processing units onto the consumer for their lower end cards, I think this is somewhat acceptable in my opinion. What do you guys think? 

[iludez]

Because 1 they are more expensive then nvidia atleast where i am.2 They put 8gbs of memory and slightly tweaked the card pretty much fooling less techno people.Its a dirty business practise  

[AlwaysFSX]

Developing entirely new processing units is extremely expensive particularly when it may not ensure better performance then their existing chip.

Sorry but no, if you manage to completely and utterly fail at THAT, stop being an engineer. Sitting with your thumb up your butt in the past because "it's good enough" is an asinine excuse.

[Gix7Fifty]

A 1 post noob.

[jurian123]

Well AMD re branded their last series cards too. The 79xx series i think to the Rxxxx series. Also when i see that the 290x still outperforms the 390x is some cases is not really cool.

Although nvidia did this too back in the day. So meh.

 

(i am a nvidia fanboy ) 

[Atmos]

It's not really unforgivable. Companies rebrand all the time, AMD is just the latest and largest to do it, so people are shitting all over them. Give it a half year, and once nvidia rebrands a card, or once intel rebrands a card, or kingston rebrands a series of ssd's then we'll all shit on them. It comes with the feild lol.

 

I don't hate on them for rebranding, it's just kinda, ehhh. 

 

I wouldn't buy myself a 300 series card, but that's because theres still stock for 200 series that are cheaper. give it 4 months and the tables will turn, the 300 will be cheaper in many cases than 200 series, once some inventory has cleared.

[Kevin_Walter]

I don't really have an issue with it. The 3XX series is (slightly) more efficient than the 2XX variants. It's also obvious that they simply rebranded their 2XX line because they're focusing all of their resources on the Fury and HBM.

 

As someone who only has a 270x, I'm interested in the 390 for an eventual upgrade (after the price drops a bit). But I can understand why my friends who already have 290s are crying foul as well.

[PineappleHolidays]

People rage on it because it's a reason for people to hate.

 

in reality, the rebrands are quite good, beating out nvidia in price to performance for those two categories of prices while offering more vram and freesync.

 

The only thing that bothers me is the price of the R9 390x, it's just too damn expensive.

[Clyne]

Well AMD re branded their last series cards too. The 79xx series i think to the Rxxxx series. Also when i see that the 290x still outperforms the 390x is some cases is not really cool.

Although nvidia did this too back in the day. So meh.

 

(i am a nvidia fanboy ) 

AMD retired Tahiti......

390X is just a 290X with a hacked Bios. 

[Hunter7263]

After the launch of the 300 series AMD has been copping a lot of flack for the re-branding of their 200 series cards. I'm by no means an AMD fan boy and have used both AMD and Nvidia gpu's in the past and been happy with both. However I'm wondering why this is being seen as such an unforgivable act? Particularly when the performance of the 300 series cards are very competitive with the similarly price GTX 900 series counter part. Even beating the 900 series cards particularly at the lower price point. Developing entirely new processing units is extremely expensive particularly when it may not ensure better performance then their existing chip. So long as AMD passes the saves of not developing totally new processing units onto the consumer for their lower end cards, I think this is somewhat acceptable in my opinion. What do you guys think? 

Considering that the 300 series outperforms the 200 series at every level I'm OK with it. 

 

Also REFRESH NOT REBRAND. They may have the same gpu cores but the cards ARE different as a whole.

[minibois]

Because the 200 series was a rebrand already.. People want to see something new. Something more efficient and stuff like that. 

[Hunter7263]

AMD retired Tahiti......

390X is just a 290X with a hacked Bios. 

Which is why if you reflash the bios and OC the memory you still cant beat it in performance? Why do people things that the GPU core is the only component on a GPU......

[PineappleHolidays]

AMD retired Tahiti......

390X is just a 290X with a hacked Bios. 

And faster ram.

And improved efficiency ( although that's yet to be prooved to be a bios or a chip thing )

[Clyne]

Which is why if you reflash the bios and OC the memory you still cant beat it in performance? Why do people things that the GPU core is the only component on a GPU......

It's the drivers that also make up the performance difference too........

[BoredErica]

We just want something to blow our socks off. Something to make Nvidia go 'Oh crap'.

[REX.exe]

Because us as a community want an actual NEW card from AMD with all new everything, not just a 290X with another 4GB slapped on there and some minor tweaks. 

[Hunter7263]

It's the drivers that also make up the performance difference too........

And the improved electrical components. They actually spend some money refining this stuff. The biggest thing that did was better regulate the power and it helps the card run with less power and heat at the same performance level. This lets you overclock it far further. Its why the memory is effectively 1000 mhz faster and you can still overclock it even though the 290x cant hope to achieve that.

[Clyne]

And the improved electrical components. They actually spend some money refining this stuff. The biggest thing that did was better regulate the power and it helps the card run with less power and heat at the same performance level. This lets you overclock it far further. Its why the memory is effectively 1000 mhz faster and you can still overclock it even though the 290x cant hope to achieve that.

Yep, same amount of performance and lower power consumption.

And people bitching about Hawaii vs Maxwell........Hawaii was never meant to compete with Maxwell in first place, it was Kepler. 

[MegaDave91]

It's a refresh, not a re-brand. If they were re-brands, they would feature identical specs to Hawaii, which they do not. 

[Elapo]

Which is why if you reflash the bios and OC the memory you still cant beat it in performance? Why do people things that the GPU core is the only component on a GPU......

 

Let's be honest, it has the most impact on performance. Sure, VRAM does too, but to a lesser extent. Besides, there's pretty much no reason why the 390X would need 8gigs of VRAM. That just drives up the price for little to no performance gain.

 

Now, 390X with HBM, that would've been better.

[Hunter7263]

Yep, same amount of performance and lower power consumption.

And people bitching about Hawaii vs Maxwell........Hawaii was never meant to compete with Maxwell in first place, it was Kepler. 

When at the same level the 300 series has less heat and power but they arent at the same level. Max out both GPUS and 300 easily beats the 200 series.

[Hunter7263]

Let's be honest, it has the most impact on performance. Sure, VRAM does too, but to a lesser extent. Besides, there's pretty much no reason why the 390X would need 8gigs of VRAM. That just drives up the price for little to no performance gain.

 

Now, 390X with HBM, that would've been better.

The also overclocked the VRAM at stock at a level the 290x cant even reach and on top of that it can be overclocked further. The 8gb is still a win if you ever crossfire these at it will have the VRAM to matter.

[Zoids_12]

Yeah don't get me wrong I would love to see AMD pumping out entirely new architecture for their entire range. Its just I kinda understand why they do refresh cards particularly on the lower end cards. And I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing so long as they can improve performance at a better price point. 

[EllieThePurpleFuzzy]

A 1 post noob.

 

Don't be rude.

 

I think it's because 1 We were waiting a damn good while for The R 300 series, then for AMD to come out with just a whole line of rebrands apart from one or two cards has to be very dissapointing, I know there was HBM being produced but they could have at least done something in the meantime, then again AMD doesn't have the greatest resources so....eh.

 

But that's now i guess how i'm starting to feel about AMD...."....eh", I guess we like an underdog and AMD sure as hell is that underdog, but it's almost like...

 

imagine your favorite sports player (a striker on a football team) gets injured pretty badly and is out for like 5-6 months, and he is important to the team, has a lot of charisma and people cheer him on, and during his recovery period he's going about uploading videos of him training hardcore on his twitter or instagram, hyping up his big return, and then comes the day of his big return, and he's now expecting the team to feed him the ball, his work ethic is low, he sulks around the pitch, he develops a bit of a stinking attitude and he plays like crap the rest of the season....that's kinda how i see AMD is nowadays, we had a lot of hope for them but i hate to say it but i'm rather dissapointed.

[Dzzope]

It's not a re-brand.. it's a refresh.. The flack they get is because they don't just say it's a slight update to the chip, and are re-labeling it as a new product and it took so long but is a minor update in terms of performance.

 

For those who aren't very savvy they will obviously think 300 is going to be much better than the 200.. 

 

it is a better product but when anyone does this they always get loads of flack.