"Nvidia Disappointed that Witcher, Cars "Tainted by False Allegations""

[MegaDave91]

Apologies if it is not thorough as this is literally the first news topic I've made.

 

Source: http://www.gamersnexus.net/industry/1950-nvidia-disappointed-in-amd-false-allegations

 

This is a screenshot I took of the game at 4K w/ ultra settings using a Titan X. The image from the article pales. 

 

 

The Witcher 3's bombastic launch included bonus, spill-over fanfare surrounding the use of nVidia's GameWorks middle-ware in Project Cars. AMD spewed fire, telling Ars that GameWorks “completely sabotaged” AMD's performance, further stating “it's wrecked our performance, almost as if it [were] put in to achieve that goal.” This implication of an nVidia-branded torpedo to AMD's performance garnered attention on reddit and other social networks, following a week of similar postings related to Project Cars. We decided to do some of our own research.

 

First, it's worth noting that we've already invested countless hours into graphics testing in The Witcher 3, and we're still conducting further settings performance analysis for every option.

 

Talking to NVIDIA

NVidia told us in a statement:

 

“We did not prohibit CD Projekt Red or Slightly Mad Studios from working with other IHVs to optimize their game or any GameWorks features. We did not prohibit CD Projekt Red or Slightly Mad Studios from adding technologies from other IHVs to their games.

GameWorks source code is available to licensees. We provide source code, under license, to developers who request it. Licensees can’t redistribute our source code to anyone who does not have a license.

We dedicated engineering resources, technologies and NVIDIA personal to help CD Projekt Red and Slightly Mad Studios make their games better for GeForce gamers. Both games are spectacular achievements. Their reviews are outstanding. It is very disappointing that they are being tainted by false allegations of unethical behavior.”

 

 

The classic, "I didn't do it" routine. Who is to believe? Obviously Nvidia would not admit (if allegations are in fact true) to preventing AMD from optimizing on their side. How can AMD optimize if they do not have a license for the source code? On the other hand, this is a package Nvidia licences to any developer who wishes to use it. No developer should feel obligated in any way. You snooze you lose, AMD?

 

I don't view "Hairworks" as being a critical, game-changing feature anyway. Both AMD and Nvidia users should disable it to experience the wonderful increase in performance.

[The Benjamins]

all i know is I don't have issues with Project Cars on my AMD GPU and they do not have a lot of spending cash to use to help on small games like project cars.

[TheKDub]

What if Nvidia didn't prevent AMD from optimizing it on their side, but instead AMD just didn't bother with it that much?

 

(I'm sure some of you will give me shit for that, so no replies to this will be answered )

[thekeemo]

we didnt force them too just moved an undisclosed sum and gave them a small recommendation..

[CoolaxGaming]

What if Nvidia didn't prevent AMD from optimizing it on their side, but instead AMD just didn't bother with it that much?

 

(I'm sure some of you will give me shit for that, so no replies to this will be answered )

Here have this shit = "shit"

 

lol

 

But I agree, AMD lacks the budget to get its optimizers to get tp work on stuff

[Xsilent(X)]

SO CD Projekt Red is saying GET REKT AMD USERS?

 

Here have this shit = "shit"

 

lol

 

But I agree, AMD lacks the budget to get its optimizers to get tp work on stuff

 

wth dude? lack of budget? dude amd source codes are open source! any developer can optimize their game for amd without amd help. 

[Unlikelyjoker]

How about they fix it instead of bitching about how they didn't do it when they did?

[Ertman]

Hey, this all might be true, the problem is we will likely never know what really is going on.

[AlwaysFSX]

Well when you have hordes of people spewing lies on things they don't know about, no wonder.

[Anarchyz11]

Almost every benchmark uses HBAO+ and Hairworks, which is naturally going to run like ass on AMD hardware. 

 

The ones that don't show the 290X running about the same as a 970, which is expected given the optimization work NVIDIA put into it. 

 

 

Still don't understand why any of that is THIS big of a deal.  Sure gameworks is a controversial competitive tactic by NVIDIA, but they're options that wouldn't exist without NVIDIA creating them, and they can be turned off.  NVIDIA putting time into optimizing their cards for a game shouldn't be an issue.  NVIDIA taking time to optimize their custom graphical settings for their cards is something you may not like, but better optimization is always better.

 

Seriously, did anyone expect NVIDIA custom made settings to run exceedingly well on AMD hardware?  And does anyone honestly have that much of an issue with NVIDIA working to optimize games for their hardware?  Just because a game runs better on an NVIDIA card doesnt mean AMD was sabotaged, and just because a benchmark shows an AMD card running like shit doesn't mean the idiots putting the benchmark together took off NVIDIA optimized settings.

 

I still don't get this debate. 

[Misanthrope]

We do not forbid it, we just don't provide the source code which amounts to the same fucking thing.

 

Dear god both AMD and Nvidia are so fucking retarded in this argument. Here's my proposal: A game about people that were all irradiated so none of them have fucking hair. Done I just solve your fucking controversy, let's move the fuck on.

[mattebad]

Almost every benchmark uses HBAO+ and Hairworks, which is naturally going to run like ass on AMD hardware. 

 

The ones that don't show the 290X running about the same as a 970, which is expected given the optimization work NVIDIA put into it. 

 

 

Still don't understand why any of that is THIS big of a deal.  Sure gameworks is a controversial competitive tactic by NVIDIA, but they're options that wouldn't exist without NVIDIA creating them, and they can be turned off.  NVIDIA putting time into optimizing their cards for a game shouldn't be an issue.  NVIDIA taking time to optimize their custom graphical settings for their cards is something you may not like, but better optimization is always better.

 

Seriously, did anyone expect NVIDIA custom made settings to run exceedingly well on AMD hardware?  And does anyone honestly have that much of an issue with NVIDIA working to optimize games for their hardware?  Just because a game runs better on an NVIDIA card doesnt mean AMD was sabotaged, and just because a benchmark shows an AMD card running like shit doesn't mean the idiots putting the benchmark together took off NVIDIA optimized settings.

 

I still don't get this debate. 

Well to start why this is such a big deal, Nvidia effectively crippled their kepler cards, as you can see in the benchmark you so helpfully posted. The 780 is actually 2 frames slower than the 960, same with the 770 and 780ti. So why should I believe that Nvidia didn't purposely sabotage AMD card performance with their gameworks. It's funny how almost every game that has had gameworks in it has turned out to be a shitshow when it comes to performance. Let's not even mention how Nvidia keep trying to lock out people from overclocking their gpu's on the mobile side. I've lost absolutely all trust in Nvidia these past few months

[Imabigmac]

I'm just about done with this whole game that is being played. (not witcher)

[monstercameron]

We do not forbid it, we just don't provide the source code which amounts to the same fucking thing.

 

Dear god both AMD and Nvidia are so fucking retarded in this argument. Here's my proposal: A game about people that were all irradiated so none of them have fucking hair. Done I just solve your fucking controversy, let's move the fuck on.

or helmets like they used to do back in the day...

[Misanthrope]

or helmets like they used to do back in the day...

 

Nah radiation victims are better cause you can also have bald wolves and monsters so we don't get any fucking hair on anybody at all.

[Notional]

Well NVidia pretty much states this: Anyone with a license can see the source code. So how many believe AMD has a license? Would NVidia not just state that they do, if it was the case?

 

HairWorks is very poorly optimized, but at least it's only dependant on DX11, which is why you can run it by lowering tessellation multiplier.

 

Many other GameWorks effects, uses APEX though (advanced PhysX). That is much much worse.

[Trik'Stari]

Oh god.....there isn't enough popcorn in the WORLD for this argument.

 

Somebody.....just shut them both up FFS

 

We do not forbid it, we just don't provide the source code which amounts to the same fucking thing.

 

Dear god both AMD and Nvidia are so fucking retarded in this argument. Here's my proposal: A game about people that were all irradiated so none of them have fucking hair. Done I just solve your fucking controversy, let's move the fuck on.

 

Best f**king response to this bullsh*t EVER

 

From now on, all games will be populated with people suffering radiation poisoning. Call it a tribute to the victims of Chernobyl and Fukushima.

[monstercameron]

Nah radiation victims are better cause you can also have bald wolves and monsters so we don't get any fucking hair on anybody at all.

yeah but radiation mutation tentacles can be hairworks powered

[Trik'Stari]

yeah but radiation mutation tentacles can be hairworks powered

WHY?! WHY DID YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT?!

[Misanthrope]

yeah but radiation mutation tentacles can be hairworks powered

 

Well...shit.

[Trik'Stari]

Well...shit.

I know right? He ruined EVERYTHING.

[Imabigmac]

From now on, all games will be populated with people suffering radiation poisoning. Call it a tribute to the victims of Chernobyl and Fukushima.

The metro series would be a good place to start but it would probably be a Gameworks game. 

[Trik'Stari]

The metro series would be a good place to start but it would probably be a Gameworks game. 

I love that series. I know one of their people said something about "sandbox" last year, hoping for a sandbox (like fallout) version of the Metro series sometime soon. Would be amazing. All the awesome intensity of a radiated wasteland, but with none of the ridiculousness and humor of the fallout series.

[monstercameron]

I love that series. I know one of their people said something about "sandbox" last year, hoping for a sandbox (like fallout) version of the Metro series sometime soon. Would be amazing. All the awesome intensity of a radiated wasteland, but with none of the ridiculousness and humor of the fallout series.

humour? after playing a few hours of fallout 3 I swear I came out clinically depressed...

[Imabigmac]

I love that series. I know one of their people said something about "sandbox" last year, hoping for a sandbox (like fallout) version of the Metro series sometime soon. Would be amazing. All the awesome intensity of a radiated wasteland, but with none of the ridiculousness and humor of the fallout series.

It is a good series and they can still make another.