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Have Nvidia broken Kepler?

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Looks like Nvidia may have made a boo-boo with their recent drivers and may have introduced a bug that drastically lowers kepler performance. Check out the attached benchmarks for the newly "optimised" driver for The Witcher 3 (this is with hairworks off).

 

The 780 Ti and 780 are curb stomped by the 970 and 960 respectively, even though they should be "faster".

 

People have already started complaining on the nvidia forums and personally I've reverted from 352.86 to 347.52 and I've seen a huge jump in performance.

And, of course, the conspiracy theories have already started that Nvidia are nerfing kepler performance so that people upgrade sooner.

 

Benchmark links:

 

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/The-Witcher-3-PC-237266/Specials/Grafikkarten-Benchmarks-1159196/

 

Nvidia forum links:

 

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/831639/?comment=4532879

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/833016/?comment=4532871

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/833075/?comment=4532051

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I kinda thought like this when I saw those Witcher benchmarks, its probably just a "bug" and NVIDIA obviously is fixing it, or they are already digging, we will see :P

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Yeah I had a wtf moment this morning when i saw the graph, as the 780ti is not very far off the performance of the 980, but it gets recked on that graph, and even in gta 5 the 780ti trials behind...

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Well, fuck.

same here :(

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Looking at Nvidia's optimization/settings guide Im pretty sure the big performance gap is caused by the huge amount of tesselation if you up the settings.

According to Nvidia tesselation performance of Maxwell is up to 3 times faster.

Not really Nvidia's fault. I think that if you lower some specific settings (HairWorks) the chart (and the order of the cards) will change.

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Looking at Nvidia's optimization/settings guide Im pretty sure the big performance gap is caused by the huge amount of tesselation if you up the settings.

According to Nvidia tesselation performance of Maxwell is up to 3 times faster.

Not really Nvidia's fault. I think that if you lower some specific settings (HairWorks) the chart (and the order of the cards) will change.

Yes, but did they also get some flack from amd customer about performance, and they said the same thing?

 

The 290/ 290x seems to be doing fine...

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Looking at Nvidia's optimization/settings guide Im pretty sure the big performance gap is caused by the huge amount of tesselation if you up the settings.

According to Nvidia tesselation performance of Maxwell is up to 3 times faster.

Not really Nvidia's fault. I think that if you lower some specific settings (HairWorks) the chart (and the order of the cards) will change.

 

Hairworks was completely turned off on these benchmarks.

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r9 285 outperforming a 780, ok.

 

Sounds like an unoptimized POS lol.

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The real question is "Have nvidia broken kepler on purpose".

 

My guess is probably no- I don't see what they stand to gain from gimping last gen products that a lot of people still use and won't upgrade either way.

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The real question is "Have nvidia broken kepler on purpose".

 

My guess is probably no- I don't see what they stand to gain from gimping last gen products that a lot of people still use and won't upgrade either way.

 

I don't think they broke it on purpose, because then people who are pissed off will just go to AMD

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And that is why, I went with AMD. They can't break they're old GPUs be causing they're still modern to them!

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@KingCry told me a while ago that newer drivers need older GPUs. Looks like it's true. Darn.

Yeah, its really bad and its only gonna get worse down the road.

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They'll sort it out with a new driver.

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So long as they aren't nerfing performance on Fermi... I'm happy.

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So long as they aren't nerfing performance on Fermi... I'm happy.

Oh you and your 480  :P

 

And yes , I think they did ... 

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Oh you and your 480  :P

 

And yes , I think they did ... 

Fucking dickholes.

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Guess I'll need some more popcorn.

 

Fucking dickholes.

 

y u no upgrade?!

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Guess I'll need some more popcorn.

I'll get the burgers instead, it looks like this is going to be a bit of a hot topic for some...

 

 

On topic, this is really going to piss me off if it's going to be a reoccurring incident, as I've only just bought my 770.

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I'll get the burgers instead, it looks like this is going to be a bit of a hot topic for some...

 

 

On topic, this is really going to piss me off if it's going to be a reoccurring incident, as I've only just bought my 770.

In the words of hammond "ahh, that's not gone well"

Ketchup is better than mustard.

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