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So, this is most likely going to be my new build:

 

https://www.mindfactory.de/shopping_cart.php/basket_action/load_basket_extern/id/02c6172208d2708beb68e051d47d370cdddd672e46a0e303e00

 

The GTX 960 4GB seems like an odd choice but I think it's a valid update for very little extra cost from my previous GTX760 which I had to send in for warranty and I simply got my money back for it. The higher framebuffer actually seems to improve framerates for some games quite a bit and it also it might be nice for a later upgrade to an SLI setup which my PSU would be able to handle. I also still have a Corsair CX600m PSU, a Crucial M500 and two HDDs which I'll carry over from my old system.

Any objections? I'm especially interested about memory speeds - is there any actual reason to go for lower timings than CL10 or higher frequencies than 1600Mhz with that particular setup?

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I wouldn't go with the 960 and I don't think it would be worth your while to do SLI with it later on. 

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I wouldn't go with the 960 and I don't think it would be worth your while to do SLI with it later on. 

 

I just don't have the money to go up to a 970 so I thought this might at least be a little bit of an improvement with a slightly longer lifespan due to the higher framebuffer. Energy consumption is also a concern - electricity isn't as cheap around here as in the US.

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Go for a 280X over the 960 4GB

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Go for a 280X over the 960 4GB

 

Nah, with that I wouldn't be able to upgrade to a G-Sync or a Freesync monitor. If the 285 had a higher framebuffer that would be worth considering.

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Hmm, interesting point. Wait for AMD 3XX series? Even though many may be a rebrand, the R9 370X or whatever the 280X will become will likely support freesync as it will be the "new generation" of AMD cards

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Hmm, interesting point. Wait for AMD 3XX series? Even though many may be a rebrand, the R9 370X or whatever the 280X will become will likely support freesync as it will be the "new generation" of AMD cards

 

That would mean that I had to go without any GPU until this comes out and that's not really an option unless it's only a few weeks away.

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That would mean that I had to go without any GPU until this comes out and that's not really an option unless it's only a few weeks away.

It likely is computex time, so June

I think if you want a 960, don't get the 4GB. Even after SLI the 128bit bus won't be any good and a single card in most circumstances won't have the beef to use the 4gb up. However, for the price of the 960 2gb you might be able to get the 285? Which I believe is a faster card, but don't quote me on that

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It likely is computex time, so June

I think if you want a 960, don't get the 4GB. Even after SLI the 128bit bus won't be any good and a single card in most circumstances won't have the beef to use the 4gb up. However, for the price of the 960 2gb you might be able to get the 285? Which I believe is a faster card, but don't quote me on that

 

They trade blows and the 285 would be a little bit more expensive. Btw, I also thought that the memory bus wouldn't allow for proper use of the framebuffer but there seem to be a few framebuffer intensive games which see an around 5FPS increase with the 4GB version compared to the 2GB version.

I also found another site (but in german) with similar results between Crysis 3 (no gain) vs Watchdogs (+ around 10FPS). So, it seems that the additional framebuffer is at least good for a few games including maybe a few crappy future console ports coming our way.

 

Edit: Whoops, mixed up the prices with the 280x. The 285 would be indeed a tiny bit cheaper but both do have similar performance and I'd rather have the lower energy consumption/lower thermals and a zero RPM mode.

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I just don't have the money to go up to a 970 so I thought this might at least be a little bit of an improvement with a slightly longer lifespan due to the higher framebuffer. Energy consumption is also a concern - electricity isn't as cheap around here as in the US.

I'm in the US, it's what 10 cents a whatever, not sure I'm still a minor so I don't have to pay electric bills. I'd save your money for now and save for a 970 if you can.

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I'm in the US, it's what 10 cents a whatever, not sure I'm still a minor so I don't have to pay electric bills. I'd save your money for now and save for a 970 if you can.

 

Not really a good option, that would mean a few months without GPU.

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Not really a good option, that would mean a few months without GPU.

How much are 970s there?

CPU: Ryzen 5 5600 Motherboard: MSI B550 Tomahawk RAM: 32Gb DDR4  GPU(s): MSI 6800-XT Case: NZXT H440 Storage: 4x 250gb SSD + 2TB HDD PSU: Corsair RM850x with CableMod Displays: 1 x Asus ROG Swift And 3 x 24" 1080p Cooling: H100i Keyboard: Corsair K70 RGB Mouse: Corsair M65 RGB Sound: AKG 553 Operating System: Windows 10

 

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How much are 970s there?

 

The one I want (the MSI one, cause it's red) would be 370€. Cheapest price and accordingly ugly would be this one for 334€ but it'll propably sound like lawn mower (it does at least look like one): http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/4096MB-Gainward-GeForce-GTX-970-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-_976942.html

Others are around 350€.

The MSI 960 4GB I wanna have is at 255€, btw, which I find okay for a possible 5-10FPS gain. And, most importantly, it fits my budget.

CPU: AMD R5 5600x | Mainboard: MSI MAG B550m Mortar Wifi | RAM: 32GB Crucial Ballistix 3200 Rev E | GPU: MSI RTX 2070 Armor | Case: Xigmatek Aquila | PSU: Corsair RM650i | SSDs: Crucial BX300 120GB | Samsung 840 EVO 120GB | Crucial m500 120GB | HDDs: 2x Seagate Barracuda 4TB | CPU Cooler: Scythe Fuma 2 | Casefans: Bitfenix Spectre LED red 200mm (Intake), Bequiet Pure Wings 2 140mm (Exhaust) | OS: Windows 10 Pro 64 Bit

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So, this is most likely going to be my new build:

 

https://www.mindfactory.de/shopping_cart.php/basket_action/load_basket_extern/id/02c6172208d2708beb68e051d47d370cdddd672e46a0e303e00

 

The GTX 960 4GB seems like an odd choice but I think it's a valid update for very little extra cost from my previous GTX760 which I had to send in for warranty and I simply got my money back for it. The higher framebuffer actually seems to improve framerates for some games quite a bit and it also it might be nice for a later upgrade to an SLI setup which my PSU would be able to handle. I also still have a Corsair CX600m PSU, a Crucial M500 and two HDDs which I'll carry over from my old system.

Any objections? I'm especially interested about memory speeds - is there any actual reason to go for lower timings than CL10 or higher frequencies than 1600Mhz with that particular setup?

 

This articles should answer your questions on memory choice. The rest of your parts look good. The case is unknown to me so I cannot comment on that. (looks nice tho)

 

There are a few 3gb r9-280x (which is supposed to be better than the r9-285) on that site that are cheaper, so if you are open to an AMD card, those might be worth looking into. (video of comparison)

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This articles should answer your questions on memory choice. The rest of your parts look good. The case is unknown to me so I cannot comment on that. (looks nice tho)

 

There are a few 3gb r9-280x (which is supposed to be better than the r9-285) on that site that are cheaper, so if you are open to an AMD card, those might be worth looking into. (video of comparison)

 

Yes, that article is exactly what I was looking for, thanks a lot! As for the case: It does, doesn't it? Also was recieved very positively by the reviewers who tested it so I guess it'll be just fine. :)

 

It's just that NVidias general approach suits me atm in terms of energy consumption/low temps->likely higher longevity and I'm generally a fan of silent systems and I finally want to build one myself. That's why I'm tending towards Nvidia right now.

 

Edit: Anyway, thanks for the input so far, everyone. It's 2:30AM now here and I really gotta go to bed, now and continue this tomorrow.

CPU: AMD R5 5600x | Mainboard: MSI MAG B550m Mortar Wifi | RAM: 32GB Crucial Ballistix 3200 Rev E | GPU: MSI RTX 2070 Armor | Case: Xigmatek Aquila | PSU: Corsair RM650i | SSDs: Crucial BX300 120GB | Samsung 840 EVO 120GB | Crucial m500 120GB | HDDs: 2x Seagate Barracuda 4TB | CPU Cooler: Scythe Fuma 2 | Casefans: Bitfenix Spectre LED red 200mm (Intake), Bequiet Pure Wings 2 140mm (Exhaust) | OS: Windows 10 Pro 64 Bit

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