How much OHM do i need?

[Nougatcookie]

Hi Guys and Girls,

 

after my Monitor upgrade i wanted to go the next huge step and get some good Headphones. I do not know what is better and ask you which of the ones i should take. I´m a newbie if it goes to Headphones.

Currently i own Razer Kraken which are absolute shit and Creative Fatal1ty which are a lot better. My Motherboard is a Gigabyte Z97x Gaming 7 which has a Sound Blaster X-Fi3 onbord. I get really impressed by the OHM´s . On the daily bases i play Counter Strike GO, hear Music and watch some Twitch or YouTube. Also i live in Germany and would love to buy on a German Web store (Amazon or Something). My Budget is 150€ MAX. Here are the ones that i consider. 

 

1. Sennheiser HD 558

http://www.amazon.de/Sennheiser-HD-558-Stereo-Kopfh%C3%B6rer-schwarz/dp/B004FEEY9A/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1427485484&sr=1-1-catcorr

 

2 .Audio Technica ATH-M50x (recommended by m8)

http://www.amazon.de/dp/B00HVLUR86/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3OC2K16G18CCT&coliid=I1UE4D065GUF99&psc=1

 

3. Beyerdynamic DT-990 Pro

http://www.amazon.de/Beyerdynamic-DT-990-PRO-250-DT-990-Pro-Kopfh%C3%B6rer/dp/B0011UB9CQ/ref=pd_pgd_B00HVLUR86_B0011UB9CQ?pf_rd_p=593981427&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B00HVLUR86&pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_r=129F295TA9VQKFNREEN7

 

4. Beyerdynamic DT-770 250Ohm or 80Ohm

http://www.amazon.de/Beyerdynamic-DT-770-Pro-80-Kopfh%C3%B6rer/dp/B0016MNAAI/ref=pd_pgd_B00HVLUR86_B0016MNAAI?pf_rd_p=593981427&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B00HVLUR86&pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_r=129F295TA9VQKFNREEN7

 

Thanks for your Reply's and i hope you can help me  Also sorry for my bad English

 

 

EDIT: Since i now know that Ohm´s is not very important i wanna know which are better for the things i do.

[Hans Christian | Teri]

It's important to understand that impedance has absolutely nothing at all to do with audio quality (given the right equipment). For reference the best headphones I have ever had the pleasure of listening to was the AKG K1000 (not so much a pleasure to wear though) which are 120 ohms. You should not take impedance into consideration until you have chosen the headphones you want, after which you will use the impedance to build your audio set up around it (whether or not you need an amp, etc).

[ShearMe]

Impedance is not a measure of quality, but it can alleviate the problems of a source with high output impedance.
 

the best headphones I have ever had the pleasure of listening to was the AKG K1000

"Headphones"  :rolleyes:

[FaustoGomez]

Not an expert of headphones but ohm`s isn`t the deciding factor in headphone buying. It`s a metric that measures how power hungry heaphones are and ohm itself is a electricial resistance measuring unit.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohm

 

That said, some higher ohm headphones may sound more.. well.. powerful.

 

My recommendation for headphones/headsets for gaming. 

 

a) HyperX Cloud if you want to do it in a budget friendly way and have a good all round headphone. (Yes, people consider it to be a good all rounder and I think they`re right. Going to see(hear ) for myself when I get my pair.

 

b)Not really budget friendly. Get a good headphone pair and something like modmic. One of the above options and a decent mic, yeah.

 

Also, your integrated sound on your motherboard will handle most headphones you throw at it.

 

I`d get a HyperX Cloud and call it a day.

[Nougatcookie]

Not an expert of headphones but ohm`s isn`t the deciding factor in headphone buying. It`s a metric that measures how power hungry heaphones are and ohm itself is a electricial resistance measuring unit.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohm

 

That said, some higher ohm headphones may sound more.. well.. powerful.

 

My recommendation for headphones/headsets for gaming. 

 

a) HyperX Cloud if you want to do it in a budget friendly way and have a good all round headphone. (Yes, people consider it to be a good all rounder and I think they`re right. Going to see(hear ) for myself when I get my pair.

 

b)Not really budget friendly. Get a good headphone pair and something like modmic. One of the above options and a decent mic, yeah.

 

Also, your integrated sound on your motherboard will handle most headphones you throw at it.

 

I`d get a HyperX Cloud and call it a day.

I have a Blue Snowball so a mic is not my Problem I just want some Headphones.

[Nougatcookie]

It's important to understand that impedance has absolutely nothing at all to do with audio quality (given the right equipment). For reference the best headphones I have ever had the pleasure of listening to was the AKG K1000 (not so much a pleasure to wear though) which are 120 ohms. You should not take impedance into consideration until you have chosen the headphones you want, after which you will use the impedance to build your audio set up around it (whether or not you need an amp, etc).

 

 

Impedance is not a measure of quality, but it can alleviate the problems of a source with high output impedance.

 

"Headphones"  :rolleyes:

 

 

 

Thanks for clarifying my Ohm Confusion and now i wanna ask you what you Guys recommend.

[Hans Christian | Teri]

Thanks for clarifying my Ohm Confusion and now i wanna ask you what you Guys recommend.

 

Edit: Nvm just saw.

 

For the €150 I'd grab a couple of used HD600's, phenomenal headphones for the money. This would be my choice though and may not be the sound signature that you're looking for. Additionally you may not want to buy used.

[Nougatcookie]

What's your budget?

 

150€ like i said in the first post. Also i would like to order from Amazon.de

[SSL]

It`s a metric that measures how power hungry heaphones are

 

False. Higher impedance heapdhones will require the same amount of power as an equally sensitive low-impedance headphone.

 

That said, some higher ohm headphones may sound more.. well.. powerful.

 

I'm not sure what this is even supposed to mean, but ... no.

[Hans Christian | Teri]

150€ like i said in the first post. Also i would like to order from Amazon.de

 

Updated my post. Sennheisers in your pricerange is usually a safe bet, however you may like other headphones more. I'm not big into the entry level stuff so I'll leave answering your question to someone else.

[theodoro]

Headphones with high impedance are usually good, but the headphone's impedance has nothing to do with the sound quality. Headphones with high impedance generaly benefit from a good amp, so that's usually a drawback instead of a benefit. 

Since you have a decent on board amp, then the Beyerdynamic are great headphones. The beyers and M50X are very agressive sounding headphones, while the sennheiser are more natural and relaxing. The Sennheiser and the Beyerdynamic are extremely comfortable headphones that you can wear more than 3 hours without any fatigue. 
All of them have the same sound quality (if this makes sence), but they sound different. 

Comfortability: 
HD558=Beyerdynamic DT990 >= Beyerdynamic DT770 > M50X. 

Agressive-ness:  (treble)
DT990 > DT770 > M50X > HD558. 

Bass:
DT770 >= M50X > DT990 > HD558

So, if you want a relaxing sound, check out the HD558 & HD598. 
If you want an agressive sound, then you have to decide if you want open or closed headphones. If you want open, then the DT990 is an excellent option (i have a pair). If you want closed then i would suggest you to get the DT770 because are much more comfortable than the M50X. However if you want a more natural tone, then the M50X is also an amazing choise. 
Finally, check out the new AKG 553 or the older AKG K550. They sound a bit lean, but they are very good headphones (never tried them though...)

[Hans Christian | Teri]

False. Higher impedance heapdhones will require the same amount of power as an equally sensitive low-impedance headphone.

 

 

I'm not sure what this is even supposed to mean, but ... no.

 

This guy has it right.

[FaustoGomez]

Well, Blue Snowball is a great mic.

 

Well, Beyerdynamic DT-990 Pro`s are a best seller for a reason. But each headphone you listed are great. Let`s narrow it down.

 

a) Do you want open or closed back headphones? Open back means you will be able to hear the outside world and other people in your room might be able to hear your music if you turn up the volume too much. Closed back, on the other hand, is great for listening to stuff where you DON`T want to hear outside noise, like a train or a office.

 

b)Do you prefer a neutral sounding headphone or the one that has the boomy bass and bright trebles? I mean, headphones have diffrent driver tuning. Similiar priced headphones might sound very diffrent in this respect. Neutral sounding headphones are great for music producers and the like, and boomy bass and bright trebles ones are for the average Joe buying headphones. The best balance is in between those too. Slightly louder base and trebles.

 

I prefer closed back and slight increase in high and low notes, though mostly flat.

 

 

False. Higher impedance heapdhones will require the same amount of power as an equally sensitive low-impedance headphone.

 

 

I'm not sure what this is even supposed to mean, but ... no.

Well, yes, technically, you`re right. But what I meant, is that when powering both high and low impedance headphones from the same source, the low impedance ones will be able to get to a higher volume.

 

I`m just trying to help and I know that I am not a hundred percent right in everything I say.

[ShearMe]

 what I meant, is that when powering both high and low impedance headphones from the same source, the low impedance ones will be able to get to a higher volume. 

 

I know you're trying to be helpful by simplifying what impedance is and does, but you just can't correctly do that without qualifying huge exception statements, making the simplification pointless. 

[SSL]

I`m just trying to help and I know that I am not a hundred percent right in everything I say.

 

To be sure.

 

Well, yes, technically, you`re right. But what I meant, is that when powering both high and low impedance headphones from the same source, the low impedance ones will be able to get to a higher volume.

 

But that isn't because the higher impedance headphone is "power hungry". It's because virtually all headphone amplifiers output a constant voltage regardless of the load impedance. Thus, all else being equal, a higher impedance headphone would require more voltage than a low impedance headphone to reach the same volume. However! This is trumped by sensitivity. Take the DT 880 250 ohm vs the T1 600 ohm:

 

DT 880: 96 dB/mW, 250 ohms: 2.51 Vrms to reach 110 dB

T1: 102 dB/mW, 600 ohms: 1.95 Vrms to reach 110 dB

 

The T1 requires less voltage despite the higher impedance because it is more sensitive.

[creatip123]

Well, yes, technically, you`re right. But what I meant, is that when powering both high and low impedance headphones from the same source, the low impedance ones will be able to get to a higher volume.

 

I`m just trying to help and I know that I am not a hundred percent right in everything I say.

 

The gesture is in the good/right direction. It's just that giving technically incorrect information/facts could mislead people who have minimal knowledge, like the OP/asker.

 

For starter, try to take a little read here: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/290749-the-impedance-ballad-image-heavy/

 

And to add the comparison by SSL above:

 

 

 

DT 880: 96 dB/mW, 250 ohms: 2.51 Vrms to reach 110 dB

T1: 102 dB/mW, 600 ohms: 1.95 Vrms to reach 110 dB

 

The Hifiman HE-6, 50 ohms, needs 4.73V, almost twice as much voltage than the DT800, with a hell lot more current (ampere). DT880 needs 10mA, while HE-6 needs 94.5, almost 10x of DT880. HE-6 will make all those 'power up to 600 ohms' onboards to cry a river and raise a white flag....