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darn it... I'm just getting paranoid when I'm looking at reviews and stuff since I don't really have the option right now to have a back up drive because of budget constraints....

and seeing annual failure rates online just make me more nervous and all... especially when people say that their drives (seagate) fail just after warranty expires.

what I can think of right now is that it's probably just like a lottery? just hope I don't win the failing drive....

I'd just like to ask @Stefken89 if you've have good experience with variety of Seagate HDDs? because here https://www.backblaze.com/blog/best-hard-drive/they say that there is one specific model of Seagate drives that suck, while there's another that's good. And sadly the ones they say that suck are the ones available here where I'm at...

 

First of all: Backblaze's report sucks. They do this every year. Linus & Luke adressed this last year in the WAN show (I went and searched for it: 

 

 

just after the 30min mark). I'm not gonna go over why their report sucks, there are a lot of reasons, just check out that WAN show archive if you are interested.

 

@Windspeed36 is right: if there were actually that many failures they would be bankrupt + most people that have a product that works fine will not write a review or yell about it, only people who are disatisfied.

 

Yes, there is a chance you might get a failing drive right after warranty expires. That chance is always there, no matter which drive or what brand it is. I'm just saying I never had a single bad experience with seagate HDDs (barracudas in perticular). Am I lucky? I guess I am, but their failure rates are really not as high as "the internet" might suggest.

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so I'm about to build my very first PC, and I planned on buying a Seagate 3TB HDD, model number ST1000DM003, because it's cheap... like here in the Philippines 2 of those cost a little less than one 4tb WD Black

and when I just went to Newegg to check the reviews on the HDD I was terrified, majority of the recent reviews are really disappointed...

I'm planning to use my HDD for storage of video and pictures to edit and stuff, as well as storing games (but I plan on playing games on an SSD). should I still get this HDD?

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so I'm about to build my very first PC, and I planned on buying a Seagate 3TB HDD, model number ST1000DM003, because it's cheap... like here in the Philippines 2 of those cost a little less than one 4tb WD Black

and when I just went to Newegg to check the reviews on the HDD I was terrified, majority of the recent reviews are really disappointed...

I'm planning to use my HDD for storage of video and pictures to edit and stuff, as well as storing games (but I plan on playing games on an SSD). should I still get this HDD?

I have Seagate HDD's and have 0 issues.

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I had a Seagate 3 TB catch on fire.  I was able to recover most of the data off it but I was not happy.  It was almost brand new.

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If you're very worried about losing data that is important then you should do RAID 1 or backups regularly. No company has the secret sauce for an immortal product. I currently have a Seagate 4TB 5900rpm drive in my computer. I've also used WD blacks, blues, and a Samsung 1TB 840 evo as storage. Don't have a problem with any of them. 

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I understand this is not enough  data to say they suck but its enough for me to never buy one again.

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I understand this is not enough  data to say they suck but its enough for me to never buy one again.

how just how...

Thats that. If you need to get in touch chances are you can find someone that knows me that can get in touch.

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how just how...

can you clarify your question a little?

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I had a Seagate 3 TB catch on fire.  I was able to recover most of the data off it but I was not happy.  It was almost brand new.

what's the intriguing story behind that?

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can you clarify your question a little?

how did a HDD catch on fire

Thats that. If you need to get in touch chances are you can find someone that knows me that can get in touch.

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what's the intriguing story behind that?

not much off one.  it went pop and smoke poured out of the drive.  Opened it up and there were burn marks on the pcb of the drive. 

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If you're very worried about losing data that is important then you should do RAID 1 or backups regularly. No company has the secret sauce for an immortal product. I currently have a Seagate 4TB 5900rpm drive in my computer. I've also used WD blacks, blues, and a Samsung 1TB 840 evo as storage. Don't have a problem with any of them. 

yeah but with some of the reviews at Newegg, they said that they had like 2 of the same HDD and they both died at the same time just after warranty expired, so idk maybe I'm just not as experienced (living my life until now with a 2-3 year old external HDD and my 4-5 year old laptop and not really aware that HDDs can die in like 2-3 years)

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Seagate is the most fast (@ 7200RPM), but has one of the highest failure rates. (Which is small actually)

 

I would just get WD. Unless that extra 20MB/s will matter. 

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yeah but with some of the reviews at Newegg, they said that they had like 2 of the same HDD and they both died at the same time just after warranty expired, so idk maybe I'm just not as experienced (living my life until now with a 2-3 year old external HDD and my 4-5 year old laptop and not really aware that HDDs can die in like 2-3 years)

If you want a larger sample size can check out Amazon's customer review count.

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Desktop-3-5-Inch-Internal-ST3000DM001/dp/B005T3GRLY/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

That being said there is also Hitachi / HGST which was bought out by Western Digital. I was also deeply considering a 3TB 7200rpm drive from them but ultimately went with the 4TB Seagate. Mainly because newer AAA games are averaging 30-50GBs so I went with the 4TB.

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Seagate is the most fast (@ 7200RPM), but has one of the highest failure rates. (Which is small actually)

 

I would just get WD. Unless that extra 20MB/s will matter. 

which WD color are you talking about?

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If you want a larger sample size can check out Amazon's customer review count.

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Desktop-3-5-Inch-Internal-ST3000DM001/dp/B005T3GRLY/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

That being said there is also Hitachi / HGST which was bought out by Western Digital. I was also deeply considering a 3TB 7200rpm drive from them but ultimately went with the 4TB Seagate. Mainly because newer AAA games are averaging 30-50GBs so I went with the 4TB.

the annoying thing though is that the shop that I'm gonna buy from only has Seagate and WD, and only their WD has up to 4TB while the Seagate only has until 3TB. that's also why I'm thinking between two 3TB Seagate or one 4TB WD Black... or even just one 3TB Seagate. just because the WD Green isn't really known to be fast... but I'm also doubting about the Seagate.

it's frustrating that the WD Blue, which is supposed to be at the same level as the Seagate Barracuda, doesn't have anything more than 1TB (at least here)

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I've had numerous Seagate Barracudas in my systems over the years and I have never had one fail on me, I've been building for 5+ years now.

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the annoying thing though is that the shop that I'm gonna buy from only has Seagate and WD, and only their WD has up to 4TB while the Seagate only has until 3TB. that's also why I'm thinking between two 3TB Seagate or one 4TB WD Black... or even just one 3TB Seagate. just because the WD Green isn't really known to be fast... but I'm also doubting about the Seagate.

it's frustrating that the WD Blue, which is supposed to be at the same level as the Seagate Barracuda, doesn't have anything more than 1TB (at least here)

While 5400rpm drives are normally slow, other factors do come in to play. Platter count, diameter of the platter, and data density have effects. Like here is the benchmark of my 5900rpm 4TB which you would think is only a hair faster than 5400rpm drives but it can beat faster 7200rpm drives based on the internals. (ignore the size listed on hdtune it's a bug)

 

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Comparison WD 7200rpm 1TB blue and others they also have in the benchmark. 

 

http://www.storagereview.com/western_digital_caviar_blue_1tb_review_wd10ealx

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While 5400rpm drives are normally slow, other factors do come in to play. Platter count, diameter of the platter, and data density have effects. Like here is the benchmark of my 5900rpm 4TB which you would think is only a hair faster than 5400rpm drives but it can beat faster 7200rpm drives based on the internals. (ignore the size listed on hdtune it's a bug)

 

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Comparison WD 7200rpm 1TB blue and others they also have in the benchmark. 

 

http://www.storagereview.com/western_digital_caviar_blue_1tb_review_wd10ealx

I appreciate the detail and effort you put into explaining, but I don't really get all the jargon right now (if I did I think I would have been able to do more research without asking around the forums anymore, but I can't really say for sure). so would it be okay if you could provide a much simpler comparison if it's not too much of a hassle? :)

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I appreciate the detail and effort you put into explaining, but I don't really get all the jargon right now (if I did I think I would have been able to do more research without asking around the forums anymore, but I can't really say for sure). so would it be okay if you could provide a much simpler comparison if it's not too much of a hassle? :)

Sure, I'll see what I can do in the morning. 

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I have put +10 barracudas of various sizes in systems, not one has failed me yet...

someone just told me here in the forums that when it comes to HDDs, 2TB is the max if you want good performance, and going higher to 3TB or more would make it more likely that the HDD would fail, is there any truth to that?

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someone just told me here in the forums that when it comes to HDDs, 2TB is the max if you want good performance, and going higher to 3TB or more would make it more likely that the HDD would fail, is there any truth to that?

 

Here are the CrystalDiskMark benchmarks for my current 2TB & 3TB Seagate Barracudas. This 2TB HDD (on the right) is about 3 years old, and the 3TB HDD (on the left) is about 2 years old. As you can see the 3TB is slightly faster in all the tests.

 

In the real world things I do with them I don't feel a difference between them and never had any problems performance-wise. Keep in mind that they are both non-OS drives (the 2TB was for a while until I got my SSD), so I can't test OS performance.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Greetz,

Stef

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