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A Pentium 4 cooler would have been nice (if there had been one available) as they are highest quality and best Intel heatsinks. (I might pick one up, I should hit 4.42GHz on air with my E8500).

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Luke, your wrapup is wrong and here is why:

The AMD fx Stock fan (the one with the heatpipes) has a BIG BIG issue; The stock fan on the stock cooler has a diode in it, which controls speeds indepentant of the pwm or voltage regulated by the Mobo. Thus if you boot up the system, 25% speed is 600RPM and 100% is 3500.

But if the diode reports high tempreatures 25% is 2500 and 1000% somewhere around 7000rpm. (which is loud as crap btw)

So, me being a naive quite system enthusiast, setup a fan curve for the stock cooler, after testing it for some time. 40% seemed like fast enough to cool it on load. Guess what, reboot a day later, start gaming and the fan runs at only 1000RPM, while the CPU cooks at 80ish degrees.

SO, DO NOT USE IT, its INCOMPATIBLE with many setups and will completely destroy ANY consistency you might expect.

 

I run my AMD fx-8350 on an H212 on 4,7ghz 24/7, whisper quite on idle, so aftermarket is still the goto for any reasonable build. (ps: i kinda won the silicon lottery)

I meant which amd stock fan has the diode in it?

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AMD actually changed the fan and made the heatsink larger with the newer FX stuff.

 

I haven't run either of them in a system so I have no idea if there's a huge difference in performance, but I would imagine the newer 8370 heatsink would perform slightly better due to the larger size and fan change.  (Probably still loud as fuck because it's an 80mm fan)

they're 70mm not 80mm.

 

There are 3 fans
AVC cooler-OLD phenoms and fx8350 "bear rug" with the pointed corners on the copper base, fan model number DV07020B12U has "flat" blades similar to pressure optimised fans. genereally quiet in normal usage has 48 fins and was also used on top tier phenoms (955 and above excluding 960t), latch has a thin arm with a circular action for locking http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1051-page1.html
but overclocking on it is limited as it has a low rpm limit as opposed to... 
 
Delta made-later fx8's, has curved fan blades, says delta on the back model number (if i remember) is AF0712VHB AFB series (curved blade shape), 07 (70mm) 12(voltage) VH (Very High airflow), B (ballbearing), no "pointed" corners like a bear rug, and has quiet a few more fins, around 58? hold down latch I cant remember, sorry.

the fans nice and quiet on idle and general usage but has the ability to go up to 7000rpm should it feel the need to, this is actually a bit overkill and 1 reason why the stock cooler gets allot of hate, 4000rpm is usually enough to keep the cpu cool with a mild overclock, anymore should warrant a new heatsink I personally love delta, can you tell?

cooler master-newest one (just got it on my new fx8) coolermaster used to make them for amd back in the athlon 64 days, looks similar to the delta one, has exactly the same heasink fin array(more fins, no bear rug shape), the fan has a slightly bigger motor which isnt rounded as much and the fans model number is FA07015E12BMC

no idea how it performs as ive never used it but im guessing its a mix of both the delta heatsink with a lower RPM fan. hold down altch is a flattened dog-leg shape as seen on older amd heatsinks from the past, personally my favourite shape.

my favourite one probably is this one from an am2/am2+ sempron 140....

its got no copper base or ehapitpes but...its got wide spacing between the fins is about an inch high on the aluinium core alone and has an ACTUAL 80mm delta AFB0812VHB fan on it that in something like an athlon x2 or fx4300 will aimly bumble along at 700rpm and you wont heat it unless you put your ear next to the motor, I put said system in a dell 530s case and had to look for the blue light to tell it was on i kid you not, i also used it to overclock a phenom2 x4 B55 to 4ghz, I had it run at full speed (12v direct) cant remember the RPM but it was fairly loud but you could of used it as a leaf blower it generated a tornado of air, great heatsink, still have it, wont get rid of it.

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also because its an 80mm fan you can screw those extendable ducts onto it :P

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I would defiantly be interested in seeing price/performance on cpu vs heatsink with fps

 

CPU variables: AMD and intel get a budget (g3258 for sure), midrange cpu and top end one.

I'd try to avoid AMD APU as much as you can on these, since we are looking pure CPU

 

cooling variables: basic liquid cooling, high end/custom liquid cooling, stock air, mid range (cooler master 212), air and high end air (like noctua dh-n14), and maybe a silent one for those who are picky... cough *linus* cough

 

OC variables: OC and not OC

 

fans variables: replacing the fans with high performance ones

 

games/benchmark variables: 3 should be good and I am not super great at naming those so.

 

 

with all this, could be a multi part video... broken up along lines of red/blue or liquid/air. (I am weird and don't mind them as the finished product is much better IMO)

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Luke, your wrapup is wrong and here is why:

The AMD fx Stock fan (the one with the heatpipes) has a BIG BIG issue; The stock fan on the stock cooler has a diode in it, which controls speeds indepentant of the pwm or voltage regulated by the Mobo. Thus if you boot up the system, 25% speed is 600RPM and 100% is 3500.

But if the diode reports high tempreatures 25% is 2500 and 1000% somewhere around 7000rpm. (which is loud as crap btw)

So, me being a naive quite system enthusiast, setup a fan curve for the stock cooler, after testing it for some time. 40% seemed like fast enough to cool it on load. Guess what, reboot a day later, start gaming and the fan runs at only 1000RPM, while the CPU cooks at 80ish degrees.

SO, DO NOT USE IT, its INCOMPATIBLE with many setups and will completely destroy ANY consistency you might expect.

 

I run my AMD fx-8350 on an H212 on 4,7ghz 24/7, whisper quite on idle, so aftermarket is still the goto for any reasonable build. (ps: i kinda won the silicon lottery)

or just let it control it self. The other option would be to remove the temp sensor and logic in the fan.

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Celeron, Pentium and i3's stock coolers don't have copper base

Athlon X2 II 245 doesn't have a cooper base too, I think this test is flawed, as the stock cooler in the i7 4770K is different from the one in the G3258 and i3 4130, I think if they got more Intel coolers it would have been better.

Correct which is why I suggested that they and others should be tested but these were apparently the only ones that they had around the office.

-snip-

 

Can you not replace the fan?.

kinda defeats the point of using a stock cooler to save money then.

The one in the phenom II is different i think.

 

I just know its pretty loud after 5 years of using it Q_Q.

 

If i lowered the fan I would burn the cpu.

With the cheap fans they put on there after 5 years the fan is likely going if not already gone.

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AMD actually changed the fan and made the heatsink larger with the newer FX stuff.

 

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I haven't run either of them in a system so I have no idea if there's a huge difference in performance, but I would imagine the newer 8370 heatsink would perform slightly better due to the larger size and fan change.  (Probably still loud as fuck because it's an 80mm fan)

there would likely be a difference just like all the intel ones that I suggested.

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A Pentium 4 cooler would have been nice (if there had been one available) as they are highest quality and best Intel heatsinks. (I might pick one up, I should hit 4.42GHz on air with my E8500).

Sadly not currently compatible with anything as even the newest would be Socket 775. Some of my favorite older coolers were from the C2D era and I can sometimes get them to mount if the by standard use the AMD mount.

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Sadly not currently compatible with anything as even the newest would be Socket 775. Some of my favorite older coolers were from the C2D era and I can sometimes get them to mount if the by standard use the AMD mount.

As in the LGA775 Pentium 4 (in my case the 630), I haven't tried it yet but one of those might be all I need to overclock my C2D E8500.

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kinda defeats the point of using a stock cooler to save money then.

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I get that, but i haven't seen the diode fan issue on any of my amd coolers. But that is because I am not using a heatpipe cooler. You could always use a spare fan if you happen to have one or a fan from another heatsink if compatible. I am actually running a fx am3+ cooler (copper slug) on a 754 (plain aluminium) right now. I am even using the stock 754 fan as an exhaust in a different case.

So yeah, saving money by using a better stock heatsink on an older CPU, kinda nice of amd to use the same hardware all that time.

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I put a Cooler Master aftermarket cooler in every single PC I build, budget or not (unless it's absolutely not in the budget).  From the 50ish PCs built last year, probably 40ish got the cooler.  Why?  Because I build my machines for clients who need their PCs to last a long time in rooms with dramatically fluctuating temperatures.  Most clients demand as little preventative maintenance as possible while maintaining a decent upgrade path for the future.  Having something ubiquitous as the Cooler Master Hyper EVO 212 ensures compatibility for the future as well as peace-of-mind regarding always-on computers.

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I liked this kinda off the wall topic. 

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re: stock cooler vs. non-stock coolers question

 

Yes. I'm always seeing on /r/pcmasterrrace "Stock cooler out of ten". and I'm legit curious the difference it makes. I know in my case, I had a stock cooler on my 4770k and was noticing idle temps around 45C. Upping to a thermaltake aftermarket (for about $30) my average temps dropped to about 32C. (no overclock in either case).

 

So I'm curious if that was just me or if others are experiencing similar. At the very least I can link to a video and be like "SEE! SEE!, its better"

 

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Just built my dad a pc with a FX6300. I put the stock cooler on it due to not having been around this particular cooler before. I plan on doing some testing tomorrow with the AMD cooler with heat pipe (from my old PE II 965BE IIRC) and see if there is a drop in temp. I ran Ungine Heaven benchmark (extreme) and left it on loop for 15 minutes and HW Monitor stated 50c max with stock thermal compound. It was idling around 32c turbo is enabled.

 

I was always a fan (no pun intended) of the AMD coolers with heat pipe. If that thing couldn't cut it. The Zalman CNPS-9700 would do it blind folded. The best cooler for the money IMHO. 

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re: stock cooler vs. non-stock coolers question

 

Yes. I'm always seeing on /r/pcmasterrrace "Stock cooler out of ten". and I'm legit curious the difference it makes. I know in my case, I had a stock cooler on my 4770k and was noticing idle temps around 45C. Upping to a thermaltake aftermarket (for about $30) my average temps dropped to about 32C. (no overclock in either case).

 

So I'm curious if that was just me or if others are experiencing similar. At the very least I can link to a video and be like "SEE! SEE!, its better"

 

:P

 

 

For running a stock CPU, the stock cooler works fine.  You'll get better temps with aftermarket, but those don't really matter.  It's when you're overclocking that you want a better cooler, or if you want to build a quiet PC since the stock fans can get fairly loud.

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Long story short, to save a few bucks in a recent major upgrade I went with stock cooling. I will most likely need to get an aftermarket cooler in the next couple months to combat the summer heat. A video on aftermarket coolers would be most appreciated.

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I would love to see the video he talked about at the end. If the after market cooling is with it.

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I would love to see the video he talked about at the end. If the after market cooling is with it.

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I would love to see a video compairing aftermarket cooling solutions (including liquid cooling) comapired to stock cooling solutions.

 

It would have to outline what you just did here PLUS 4 aftermarket coolers and like 3 liquid cooling solutions (cheap, standard, preimum).

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