Overclocking mouse

[FPS with a Wacom Tablet]

This may be a re-post of an older topic but I'm rather new to this.

 

I own a working Microsoft Intellimouse 1.1a salvaged from an attic. Word from the grapevine that if this mouse is overclocked to 500 Hz, it tracks like a dream. Problem is, Windows 8 isn't letting me overclock the mouse, and I even disabled driver signing to allow me to install custom mouse drivers. Too bad they are all for Win 7. Anyone with a Win 8 solution? Other than buying a Zowie FK?

 

BTW, I play tons of Osu! using a mouse, so a laggy, stuttery cursor isn't my cup of tea. IMO it requires a ton of accuracy, more so than FPS games in general. 

 

Osu! profile: https://osu.ppy.sh/u/3260726

[Nup]

Wait, what?

[SeanBond]

This may be a re-post of an older topic but I'm rather new to this.

 

I own a working Microsoft Intellimouse 1.1a salvaged from an attic. Word from the grapevine that if this mouse is overclocked to 500 Hz, it tracks like a dream. Problem is, Windows 8 isn't letting me overclock the mouse, and I even disabled driver signing to allow me to install custom mouse drivers. Too bad they are all for Win 7. Anyone with a Win 8 solution? Other than buying a Zowie FK?

 

BTW, I play tons of Osu! using a mouse, so a laggy, stuttery cursor isn't my cup of tea. IMO it requires a ton of accuracy, more so than FPS games in general. 

 

Osu! profile: https://osu.ppy.sh/u/3260726

I think maybe you just need a new mouse...

[ANewFace]

You can't overclock a mouse

[FPS with a Wacom Tablet]

Sean Bond-

 

^^ I have that, owning a G502 myself. It's just an experiment on a Sunday afternoon that I wanted to do. 

[minibois]

This may be a re-post of an older topic but I'm rather new to this.

 

I own a working Microsoft Intellimouse 1.1a salvaged from an attic. Word from the grapevine that if this mouse is overclocked to 500 Hz, it tracks like a dream. Problem is, Windows 8 isn't letting me overclock the mouse, and I even disabled driver signing to allow me to install custom mouse drivers. Too bad they are all for Win 7. Anyone with a Win 8 solution? Other than buying a Zowie FK?

 

BTW, I play tons of Osu! using a mouse, so a laggy, stuttery cursor isn't my cup of tea. IMO it requires a ton of accuracy, more so than FPS games in general. 

 

Osu! profile: https://osu.ppy.sh/u/3260726

Hz? Uhhh I don't think this is how it works.. 

You might just want a mouse with more DPI..

[FPS with a Wacom Tablet]

You can't overclock a mouse

Apparently you can. Win 7 users have overclocked the polling rate from 125 Hz to 500 Hz on this mouse.

[FPS with a Wacom Tablet]

Hz? Uhhh I don't think this is how it works.. 

You might just want a mouse with more DPI..

I'm fully knowledgable about the dpi race, dw about that. I just want to improve mouse tracking using a higher polling rate to minimize stuttering and improve tracking speed, something others have done before. If I wanted DPI, I'd turn up Windows sens instead

[FPS with a Wacom Tablet]

A link on the Windows 7 mouse overclock:

http://www.ngohq.com/news/15043-how-to-increase-usb-sample-rate-in-windows-vista-7-a.html

 

Now if this works on Win 8, I'd be happy

[Verne]

I'm fully knowledgable about the dpi race, dw about that. I just want to improve mouse tracking using a higher polling rate to minimize stuttering and improve tracking speed, something others have done before. If I wanted DPI, I'd turn up Windows sens instead

Turning up Windows sensitivity would actually cause stuttering and/or jittering. It should always be kept at 6/11 (and enhanced precision off). As for overclocking the polling rate from 125 Hz to 500 Hz, I seriously doubt it will have that big of an effect.

[Guest Generallee]

This title just cracked me up

 

i'm gonna have a bowl of overclocked corn flakes, then watch something on my overclocked tv

 

I believe you are talking about the polling rate, on my g700 there is an option in LGS but i never seem to feel a difference when i change it, don't know about Microsoft mouses though

[FPS with a Wacom Tablet]

This title just cracked me up

 

i'm gonna have a bowl of overclocked corn flakes, then watch something on my overclocked tv

 

I believe you are talking about the polling rate, on my g700 there is an option in LGS but i never seem to feel a difference when i change it, don't know about Microsoft mouses though

Technically, any method that increases the operating frequency of any product is overclocking (refresh rate in monitors, cpu cycles in processors, etc.) In this case, it's the polling rate of my mouse. I want to increase the polling rate from 125 Hz to 500 Hz, which is not natively supported in software. I think a driver mod should do it, but I'm inexperienced with custom drivers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overclocking

 

Turning up Windows sensitivity would actually cause stuttering and/or jittering. It should always be kept at 6/11 (and enhanced precision off). As for overclocking the polling rate from 125 Hz to 500 Hz, I seriously doubt it will have that big of an effect.

 

More mouse updates = smoother tracking (less jittering and stutters --> experiment with different polling rates to see what I mean) . I want to extend the usability of this mouse AND I hear the sensor for this mouse is legendary (ST Microelectronics MLT 04) for its day. Too bad it's limited to 125 Hz polling rate, meaning 8 ms of response time between tracking updates (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mouse_polling_rate). 500 Hz should smooth out the tracking and input lag (2 ms response time), but I can't do it on Windows 8, lest some witchery exists that I'm not privy to

 

By witchery I mean tricks...

[Verne]

Technically, any method that increases the operating frequency of any product is overclocking (refresh rate in monitors, cpu cycles in processors, etc.) In this case, it's the polling rate of my mouse. I want to increase the polling rate from 125 Hz to 500 Hz, which is not natively supported in software. I think a driver mod should do it, but I'm inexperienced with custom drivers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overclocking

 

 

More mouse updates = smoother tracking (less jittering and stutters --> experiment with different polling rates to see what I mean) . I want to extend the usability of this mouse AND I hear the sensor for this mouse is legendary (ST Microelectronics MLT 04) for its day. Too bad it's limited to 125 Hz polling rate, meaning 8 ms of response time between tracking updates (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mouse_polling_rate). 500 Hz should smooth out the tracking and input lag (2 ms response time), but I can't do it on Windows 8, lest some witchery exists that I'm not privy to

 

By witchery I mean tricks...

I've done some testing before and the difference between 125Hz and 1000Hz is barely noticeable.

[FPS with a Wacom Tablet]

I've done some testing before and the difference between 125Hz and 1000Hz is barely noticeable.

I guess it's my ocd on mice??

[STRMfrmXMN]

@woll3, is this a thing because I have absolutely no idea...

[Timmy-P]

I was able to do it on Win 8.1, but it required disabling driver signatures, and some CMD commands. On mobile, I'll pull up what I did when I get home.

[woll3]

@woll3, is this a thing because I have absolutely no idea...

 

Yes, adjusting the Polling Rate by "hacking" windows registry with the old MLT04 mice(Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical, Intellimouse 1.1, Intellimouse Explorer 3.0) was and is common practice, MLT04 only has a 8bit Data path which causes negative acceleration at higher speeds, using 250hz and above increases the PCS to 1.55 m/s, unfortunately it is not possible with W8/8.1, or at least not as easy.

 

 

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

Do I have to overvolt my mouse? :B 

 

 

 

(I'm joking)  

[FPS with a Wacom Tablet]

I was able to do it on Win 8.1, but it required disabling driver signatures, and some CMD commands. On mobile, I'll pull up what I did when I get home.

alright thanks

[FPS with a Wacom Tablet]

Yes, adjusting the Polling Rate by "hacking" windows registry with the old MLT04 mice(Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical, Intellimouse 1.1, Intellimouse Explorer 3.0) was and is common practice, MLT04 only has a 8bit Data path which causes negative acceleration at higher speeds, using 250hz and above increases the PCS to 1.55 m/s, unfortunately it is not possible with W8/8.1, or at least not as easy.

 

 

You also mean to say, since most gaming mice have 32-bit processors onboard, it is easier to achieve higher polling rates?

[FPS with a Wacom Tablet]

I don't mean to jump into the fire, but I found this on Microsoft's website: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/102989

Something about registry edits that I'm completely inexperienced about. What values would I have to change?

[woll3]

You also mean to say, since most gaming mice have 32-bit processors onboard, it is easier to achieve higher polling rates?

 

No its not about MCU Processing Capabilities, just about the Datapath, imagine a 4 lane highway narrowing down to a 2 lane street and the traffic jam that results out of that.

[FPS with a Wacom Tablet]

No its not about MCU Processing Capabilities, just about the Datapath, imagine a 4 lane highway narrowing down to a 2 lane street and the traffic jam that results out of that.

So how exactly do we make the bandwidth larger? If anything, where can I find the mouse driver within the registry editor?

[Timmy-P]

alright thanks

This was what worked for me, I think.  It worked after this tweak, but I never bothered to check before, which is a shame (don't know where the CMD came from, probably thinking of something else).  I'm assuming you didn't edit the registry yet?

http://www.howtogeek.com/175722/how-to-fix-mouse-lag-in-pc-games-on-windows-8.1/?PageSpeed=noscript

Then use Mouserate to check (gimme a sec, I'm having trouble finding it)

http://www.overclock.net/t/560067/direct-input-mouse-rate

[woll3]

So how exactly do we make the bandwidth larger?

 

Not possible, its a hardware limitation, and last time i checked there was still no way to force 250+ hz on 125hz devices in 8.1.

 

This was what worked for me, I think.  It worked after this tweak, but I never bothered to check before, which is a shame (don't know where the CMD came from, probably thinking of something else).  I'm assuming you didn't edit the registry yet?

http://www.howtogeek.com/175722/how-to-fix-mouse-lag-in-pc-games-on-windows-8.1/?PageSpeed=noscript

 

This is not needed anymore, it also doesnt help him as he needs to force 250/500hz on a 125hz device.