Cooler Master 3D Vapor Chamber CPU Cooler

[ahhming]

unlike tradition vapor chamber that spread across the base, heatpipes are connected to the heatsink for the cooler master variation .

 

 

no pricing, nor availability  yet as all they have is basic mock up of the heatpipes will be connected.

 

 

do you guys think that this will work only in certain motherboard orientation ?

Source:

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/cooler-master-3d-vapor-chamber,28372.html

[SpaghettiCarbonara]

Since the heatpipes on the Hyper 212 (Evo and X) make contact with the CPU and a fair amount of contact at that, I don't really know how this is much different.

[ShadowCaptain]

Since the heatpipes on the Hyper 212 (Evo and X) make contact with the CPU and a fair amount of contact at that, I don't really know how this is much different.

 

Because these are vapour chambers and not just heatpipes I guess thats the main difference

[SpaghettiCarbonara]

Because these are vapour chambers and not just heatpipes I guess thats the main difference

 

According to this, vapor chambers are essentially just flat heatpipes

[ShadowCaptain]

According to this, vapor chambers are essentially just flat heatpipes

 

strange it should be like this

 

[dragoon20005]

vapor chambers has a liquid inside the pipes which evaporates and then condense 

[PortentousLad]

I don't understand why this hasn't been done before...

However I'm curious to see the guys try 'em out.

 

But AFAIK VCs are just "more better" that regular heat pipes.

[Birdhunter]

I don't understand why this hasn't been done before...

However I'm curious to see the guys try 'em out.

But AFAIK VCs are just "more better" that regular heat pipes.

Probably because Vapor Chambers are more expensive and need more time (for design and production) and the "regular" Heatpipes have been sufficient enough so they didn't have to hurry. With more and more Water-AiOs coming to market, air coolers have lost some "appeal" for higher-end users and overclockers, so they have to up the ante now and introduce new and more efficient stuff, to get some of those customers back.

[qwertywarrior]

this is what nvidia had to use in their kelpers after that whole Fermi fiasco

but if a remember correctly they had legal trouble use that patented design without authorization

[ForsakenLive]

This IS a copy of Noctua's vertical heatpipe technology.....

I don't mind it is, I just wanted to point it out.

[LukaP]

Because these are vapour chambers and not just heatpipes I guess thats the main difference

a vapour chamber uses the exact same tech as a heatpipe, to spread teh heat really quickly over a larger area, but the difference here is that now, that heat is spread over, and at the same time moved away into the fin array in one heating, not two

 

I don't understand why this hasn't been done before...

However I'm curious to see the guys try 'em out.

 

But AFAIK VCs are just "more better" that regular heat pipes.

because it wasnt really needed to have a good aircooler, and its probably way more expensive, since making a vapour chamber alone isnt easy, one with heatpipes attached is probably harder

 

this is what nvidia had to use in their kelpers after that whole Fermi fiasco

but if a remember correctly they had legal trouble use that patented design without authorization

they just used a vapour chamber coupled with normal heatpipes to get the heat inro the fins more easily, this gets rid of the slow copper interconnect between a vapour chamber and the heatpipes

[ADM-Ntek]

i´m not an engenieer but isnt that actualy a bad design considering most people mount coolers this way. most of the liquid collects in the lower pipe and wont even reach the cpu.

[The Pi]

*snip*

They'll use wicks inside so gravity isn't an issue.

[ZacDaMan72]

What's new? They've had the TPC line of coolers with vapour chambers that go straight up for a long time now...

[Recon97]

Only if air cooling was better than liquid cooling...

[LukaP]

Only if air cooling was better than liquid cooling...

1. less points of faliure and noise
2. similar performance for the price (apart from going full on custom loop, but that is way more expensive, and can be beaten by even more expensive cooling again)
3. can also work wihout fans if you have decent airflow.

i dont see how its worse

[Recon97]

• less points of faliure and noise
• similar performance for the price (apart from going full on custom loop, but that is way more expensive, and can be beaten by even more expensive cooling again)
• can also work wihout fans if you have decent airflow.

i dont see how its worse

No! So you mean that a 70$ cpu cooler which use air! is better than 130$ AIO liquid cooling system and more than 200$ custom water cooling kits? But why do people choose AIO liquid cooler for example why people mostly choose h100i than any other 70$ cpu air cooler.

[LukaP]

No! So you mean that a 70$ cpu cooler which use air! is better than 130$ AIO liquid cooling system and more than 200$ custom water cooling kits? But why do people choose AIO liquid cooler for example why people mostly choose h100i than any other 70$ cpu air cooler.

2°C between a NHD15 and a Nepton 280L or an H100i. 

an NH-D15 is 109.99$ and the Nepton 280L is 119.99$ so comparable prices, comparable results. i can find you more benchmarks, but an AIO (or a custom loop) will always be more expensive for the more performance, or if its comparable, the performance will be very similar. and on top of that you have pump noise and 2 fans. with a D15 you only have 2 fans.

 

 

the only point of getting a 240/280mm AIO is if you dont have room around your socket for a big air cooler, but most motherboards have fixed that by having pcie_0 be an x1 slot and not a full gpu ready x16

 

 

and i never said "a 70$ cpu cooler which use air! is better than 130$ AIO liquid cooling system and more than 200$ custom water cooling kits".

 

if course a 130$ 360mm AIO is going to beat a Dark Rock 3 that costs 70$. but it wont be twice as good. your temperatures wont be halved. also, every one of the coolers you can think of uses air to cool the processor. the only difference is that an AIO uses water to move the heat away from the cpu faster, and store it over a larger volume before dissipating it using air.

[Doobeedoo]

It will be interesting to see what they release.

[Albatross]

How exactly would this improve performance?

[Syntaxvgm]

OMG our coolers are now in 

And

And they are 

 

Fucking marketing. 
 

Anyway this is not a new thing. But a lot of people seem to not understand how a vapor chamber works. 

[LukaP]

How exactly would this improve performance?

you eliminate the slow copper bond between a vapour chamber and the heatpipes you usually have only the fast fluid accelerated heat transfer

[Albatross]

you eliminate the slow copper bond between a vapour chamber and the heatpipes you usually have only the fast fluid accelerated heat transfer

 

Okay. I was oddly able to understand what you meant. :lol: 

 

Thanks LukaP (who seems to know something about everything).

[LukaP]

Okay. I was oddly able to understand what you meant. :lol:

 

Thanks LukaP (who seems to know something about everything).

Jack of many trades, master of 2

 

this is actually right down my alley anyway, its basic physics

[othertomperson]

 

2°C between a NHD15 and a Nepton 280L or an H100i. 

an NH-D15 is 109.99$ and the Nepton 280L is 119.99$ so comparable prices, comparable results. i can find you more benchmarks, but an AIO (or a custom loop) will always be more expensive for the more performance, or if its comparable, the performance will be very similar. and on top of that you have pump noise and 2 fans. with a D15 you only have 2 fans.

 

The AIO fans replace chassis fans that would be attached regardless. An AIO has pump noise and two fans, the D15 therefore has four fans.

 

No! So you mean that a 70$ cpu cooler which use air! is better than 130$ AIO liquid cooling system and more than 200$ custom water cooling kits? But why do people choose AIO liquid cooler for example why people mostly choose h100i than any other 70$ cpu air cooler.

 

A few reasons. Firstly aesthetics. A lot of people just find a huge heat sink visually unappealing. Other people like the idea of it either dumping the heat directly outside their case, alternatively the fact that you can reverse the fans as intake, making case temperature irrelevant to cooling. This would be useful if you're using two or more GPUs with open coolers in SLI/Crossfire and don't want these hindering your CPU cooling. A lot of people has issues with RAM compatibility with air coolers too, making them a no-go. The NH-D15 goes some way to addressing this, but it overhangs the first PCI slot which for some motherboards introduces a whole new set of problems. And the final reason, is that an effective air cooler is a massive lump of metal. A massive lump of metal that you are hanging off of a fragile sheet of fibreglass that cost you a three figure sum of money to buy. A lot of people are uncomfortable with this in general, and it isn't unheard of for this to warp motherboards over time, but if you move your PC around a lot generally you want to be very careful in putting your PC down so you don't shatter your motherboard. And then there's form factor. Try putting an NH-D15 in a mini ITX or HTPC case. You can't. You do, however, have a wide range of AIOs to choose from.

 

It's worth pointing out that at some stage temperature stops being the limiting factor, and voltage and silicon lottery are what limits you. For example, my load temperatures at 4.5GHz and 1.35V are in the mid 50s so more effective cooler wouldn't really benefit me. If I wanted it to be quieter than replacing the fans on what I already have would be the sensible move.