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Verizon: We Can Basically Charge Netflix For Peering Forever And There’s Nothing The FCC Can Do To Stop It

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So in other news, Verizon continue to be assholes and abuse every aspect of the law to continue reaping in profits (as if they don't get enough). Verizon is telling the FCC to shove Title II up their rear end, which isn't a good thing to have happen. 

 

Maybe Netflix and Google can come to some agreement and roll out Fibre on their own? Cause at this point, anything would probably be better for these companies as opposed to getting railroaded by the ISPs who seem so intent on screwing over the market. 

 

 

The FCC is facing a lot of opposition this year, but Verizon in particular just really seems to thrive on challenging the agency. The latest move from the telco giant is a message to the FCC that even if they use Title II to regulate net neutrality, there is nothing the commission can do to prevent interconnection fee spats like the one Verizon and Netflix had this year.

 

Ars Technica noticed the filing (PDF), which Verizon submitted yesterday. The eight-page letter lays out Verizon’s familiar argument that the FCC can’t legally regulate Verizon’s broadband business under Title II but adds that even if they could, it wouldn’t help anyway.

Verizon and Netflix have had a particularly contentious relationship this year. Even after the two companies signed an interconnection agreement, it took months for FiOS customers to see any improvement in their (terrible) service, and the two companies engaged in very public finger-pointing over the matter.

 

That public spat continues in Verizon’s filing. Verizon writes that, “Internet players such as Netflix and Cogent have called for the Commission to reach beyond the last mile and regulate interconnection … But Netflix, Cogent, and numerous other Internet players make decisions on their own networks that affect the speeds or performance that end users experience.”

 

As Ars explains, even using Title II regulation would not mandate that companies (like Netflix) be able to get the no-cost interconnection agreements they hope for. However, designating broadband ISPs as common carriers could give the FCC authority to insist on reasonable rates and to intervene in disputes between ISPs and content companies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://consumerist.com/2014/12/18/verizon-we-can-basically-charge-netflix-for-peering-forever-and-theres-nothing-the-fcc-can-do-to-stop-it/

 

http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/12/verizon-to-fcc-you-cant-stop-netflix-like-interconnection-payments/

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TL:DR "we are verizon and we are absolute DICKS"

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And Verizon just keeps on diggin'

Doesn't stop, never stops

Except for when Google Fiber is nationwide

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the more news i hear about ISPs, the more I'm ok with letting Google see all my internet traffic, because then at least i would have fiber.

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I would drop Optimum for Google in a heart-beat.

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If Verizon wasn't so good to me in their mobile department over T-mobile, Sprint and AT&T, I'd drop them so that they don't get my money.

What bothers me is that these dudes in Verizon have their pockets filled with cash yet they're wanting more and more.

I completely understand wanting more money, but on their tier? I'd be content with what was coming in if it was stable. Whatever. Fuck those guys.

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WTF is with US ISPs seriously... you guys are the customers, you rule these companies. Do something about it, if you let this go on, it will only get worse, and i assure you Google will not play ISP just so america is happy. 

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WTF is with US ISPs seriously... you guys are the customers, you rule these companies. Do something about it, if you let this go on, it will only get worse, and i assure you Google will not play ISP just so america is happy. 

 

We can't do anything about it. People can't switch ISPs when there is only one available in an area.

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WTF is with US ISPs seriously... you guys are the customers, you rule these companies. Do something about it, if you let this go on, it will only get worse, and i assure you Google will not play ISP just so america is happy. 

Problem is, what are the customers going to do? That's the problem with monopolies. Verizon can basically go "don't like it? Too bad for you mohahaha!". Even in areas where there are more than 1 ISP they are all equally horrible.

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WTF is with US ISPs seriously... you guys are the customers, you rule these companies. Do something about it, if you let this go on, it will only get worse, and i assure you Google will not play ISP just so america is happy. 

They will if they get the money out of it they stand to.

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We can't do anything about it. People can't switch ISPs when there is only one available in an area.

In that case, its either illegal, or your laws are fucked up

 

Problem is, what are the customers going to do? That's the problem with monopolies. Verizon can basically go "don't like it? Too bad for you mohahaha!". Even in areas where there are more than 1 ISP they are all equally horrible.

community internet? stop depending on ISPs in that case completly

 

They will if they get the money out of it they stand to.

Google publicly said they will not be playing ISP, and that GFibre is just meant to show what the price can be, and kick ISPs in their arses.

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In that case, its either illegal, or your laws are fucked up

 

community internet? stop depending on ISPs in that case completly

 

Google publicly said they will not be playing ISP, and that GFibre is just meant to show what the price can be, and kick ISPs in their arses.

Monopolies are not illegal unless attained under anti-competitive practices. If you provide the best product long enough that all your competition dies, you buy up all their infrastructure, and then no one has the money or will to enter competition with you, you did nothing wrong. That's the problem with Intel's monopoly. It was mostly gained through legal means. That said, we know the ISPs/Telecomms have just made backroom deals to stay out of each other's ways, but we can't prove it.

 

PSSSHHHH, what would you socialists know?  :rolleyes:

 

It wouldn't be the first time Google made a stealth move and won big in the long run. Besides, Google is still expanding to more cities. If they go to NYC they'll be tapped into one of the 3 major backbones in the U.S., the other 2 being Chicago and San Francisco.

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In that case, its either illegal, or your laws are fucked up

 
You can thank corrupt politicians for allowing stuff like this to happen. 
 

community internet? stop depending on ISPs in that case completly

 

As much as I'm for this, the ISPs will try (and have succeeded in some places) to make this illegal. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have community internet, but in many communities not enough people know or care enough to make it happen.

 

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You can thank corrupt politicians for allowing stuff like this to happen. 
 
 

 

As much as I'm for this, the ISPs will try (and have succeeded in some places) to make this illegal. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have community internet, but in many communities not enough people know or care enough to make it happen.

 

 

#fuckedupamericaneconomic/politics :/

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Meanwhile I'm on Sky UK, current pulling 50Mbps over FTTC with zero limitations at all and they even wait until the last second of the last day to block sites which they are legally obliged to do so.

I honestly feel sorry for you guys in America, your government are arseholes, your police are arseholes and your corporations are arseholes, I mean UK are pretty bad but yours take things to a whole new level.

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Meanwhile I'm on Sky UK, current pulling 50Mbps over FTTC with zero limitations at all and they even wait until the last second of the last day to block sites which they are legally obliged to do so.

I honestly feel sorry for you guys in America, your government are arseholes, your police are arseholes and your corporations are arseholes, I mean UK are pretty bad but yours take things to a whole new level.

Anyone whoever claimed absolutely free markets didn't breed slavery for the consumer didn't understand economics in the slightest. Whoever starts with the most money will most likely win because they have the most time to recover from mistakes and steal the ideas of others. Monopolies are inevitable.

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If Verizon wasn't so good to me in their mobile department over T-mobile, Sprint and AT&T, I'd drop them so that they don't get my money.

What bothers me is that these dudes in Verizon have their pockets filled with cash yet they're wanting more and more.

I completely understand wanting more money, but on their tier? I'd be content with what was coming in if it was stable. Whatever. Fuck those guys.

I hear ya. Verizon can afford to be dicks, but when they have the best service, it's hard to leave...at least in the mobile department.

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Anyone whoever claimed absolutely free markets didn't breed slavery for the consumer didn't understand economics in the slightest. Whoever starts with the most money will most likely win because they have the most time to recover from mistakes and steal the ideas of others. Monopolies are inevitable.

 

He who writes the cheques writes the rules,  the company with the most money will win becasue they can afford both lawyers and to pay the congressman.   It's not a free market that causes some of these monopolies, it laws that disallow competition that cause these monopolies.

 

http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/09/att-cities-shouldnt-offer-broadband-where-private-isps-already-do-or-might-later/

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/isp-lobby-has-already-won-limits-on-public-broadband-in-20-states/

http://www.wired.com/2011/05/nc-gov-anti-muni-broadband/

 

It doesn't matter who's running the company, a free market allows everyone to offer services. and the best service wins, not the service that can remove competition through legal action.

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It doesn't matter who's running the company, a free market allows everyone to offer services. and the best service wins, not the service that can remove competition through legal action.

 

It's only the best service until it's the only service. Then it's the worst possible service.

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Anyone whoever claimed absolutely free markets didn't breed slavery for the consumer didn't understand economics in the slightest. Whoever starts with the most money will most likely win because they have the most time to recover from mistakes and steal the ideas of others. Monopolies are inevitable.

I'm sorry but your triple negative makes zero sense to me at all? Plus I don't understand its relevance either, I didnt mention free economies?

Its likely just my inability to understand but could you explain what you meant please :)

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Meanwhile I'm on Sky UK, current pulling 50Mbps over FTTC with zero limitations at all and they even wait until the last second of the last day to block sites which they are legally obliged to do so.

I honestly feel sorry for you guys in America, your government are arseholes, your police are arseholes and your corporations are arseholes, I mean UK are pretty bad but yours take things to a whole new level.

You are only getting 50? Unless that is your package ask them what is wrong, you should be getting 70 at least.

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You are only getting 50? Unless that is your package ask them what is wrong, you should be getting 70 at least.

I'm quite far from the cabinet so 50 is the most my line can have (it will increase in the future apparently). Im on Sky Fibre Unlimited.

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TL:DR "we are verizon and we are absolute DICKS"

This.

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This is why Netflix should have never caved in the first place and should have gone so far as left a message on their homepage that read "If your ISP is *insert list here*, this is why your internet is bad with our service."

 

 

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Anyone whoever claimed absolutely free markets didn't breed slavery for the consumer didn't understand economics in the slightest. Whoever starts with the most money will most likely win because they have the most time to recover from mistakes and steal the ideas of others. Monopolies are inevitable.

 

I'm sorry but your triple negative makes zero sense to me at all? Plus I don't understand its relevance either, I didnt mention free economies?

Its likely just my inability to understand but could you explain what you meant please :)

 

I'm not sure I agree with him, but what he's saying is that the player with the largest amount of money starting at the beginning of the monopoly game will probably end up owning all the properties and stealing the ideas of other players by using them first since they have the resources. At least that's what I got from it.

 

I like free markets and all but those community driven ISP's are looking better and better. What was that town that was on the news here recently for giving ATT the finger? We should all be doing that.

 

My ISP recently upgraded their most basic package to 50 mbit/s in my area. I should be happy. But the install guy that came over the other day when we hooked up television reminded me of why they are the worst.

 

Digital boxes that they implemented to prevent cable theft are going to appear in our bills soon according to the install guy. And he didn't want to leave four though we had been cleared for a 4 room install.

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