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Hello everyone, so after contacting my Smartphone retailer, they couldnt get to order the MDP/S from Qualcomm probably because its only for North America, hasnt gotten out yet,no model name or specific identification and especially because they might not have a direct contact with Qualcomm itself. Either ways someone informed me that it is really thick and therefore im not looking for a Bahamut of a phone. The thing that really interested me in first place was the new ram technology in the phone (LPDDR4 and the Snapdragon 810). Hence that after some reasearch, theres been some flashing on the web about a possible socket update in the Galaxy note edge (probably with the note 4 aswell).That made me really happy, and many looking for the best 2014 smartphone, it may be this one. The crucial factor here is if it will be only released in South Korea or not. If its at least shipped to (Europe,America,Asia) it would be awesome. Until 28 November its expected to not have any refreshing news. Tell me what you guys think (opinions and possibly some reviews) and what you think of the possibilities. Also id like to add! There have been many new (300-400€) phones packaging an octa-core. What company is producing them? If you know anything let me know because i tought only Exynos 7 was an Octa-Core. Thank you.

[Mew]

Why do you want to have an octa core phone?

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Why do you want to have an octa core phone?

Why wouldnt i? Future of course....

[Mew]

Why wouldnt i? Future of course....

AMD has an octo core, sure it might be future proof, but it's slower than its competition. Same for 810.

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AMD has an octo core, sure it might be future proof, but it's slower than its competition. Same for 810.

So the Exynos 7 is equal in every term to the Snapdragon 810?

[Mew]

So the Exynos 7 is equal in every term to the Snapdragon 810?

 

They're similar, both uses 4 A57 and 4 A53 cores. Based on a result from Google, Exynos 7, and by extension 810, will increase IPC by a bit, but still no where close to Apple's IPC, while increasing their lead in multithreaded performance, which imo is irrelevant. I'll expect 810 to be clocked much higher than Exynos 7 to try to reach Apple's single threaded performance, around 2.4ghz based on my calculations. This will result in an IPC increase of about 80%, which is actually pretty good, making the IPC difference between A8 and my supposed 810 around 58% (clock for clock A8 is 58% faster than 810). This is similar to Intel's IPC advantage of 60% over AMD. So, I would not recommend you getting an octa core because that's the wrong direction for Snapdragon to head towards. What you should want is 2 super fast cores, like A8, that will perform well in any application, not just threaded ones, and still be able to to multitask as well as have lower power consumption.

 

Edit: As a side note, you do realize both the 810 and the Exynos are not true 8 cores? They have 4 "high performance" cores and 4 "energy efficient" cores that switch on and off depending on the work load, which pretty much tells me that they're not able to make high performance cores that are also power efficient.

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They're similar, both uses 4 A57 and 4 A53 cores. Based on a result from Google, Exynos 7, and by extension 810, will increase IPC by a bit, but still no where close to Apple's IPC, while increasing their lead in multithreaded performance, which imo is irrelevant. I'll expect 810 to be clocked much higher than Exynos 7 to try to reach Apple's single threaded performance, around 2.4ghz based on my calculations. This will result in an IPC increase of about 80%, which is actually pretty good, making the IPC difference between A8 and my supposed 810 around 58% (clock for clock A8 is 58% faster than 810). This is similar to Intel's IPC advantage of 60% over AMD. So, I would not recommend you getting an octa core because that's the wrong direction for Snapdragon to head towards. What you should want is 2 super fast cores, like A8, that will perform well in any application, not just threaded ones, and still be able to to multitask as well as have lower power consumption.

 

Edit: As a side note, you do realize both the 810 and the Exynos are not true 8 cores? They have 4 "high performance" cores and 4 "energy efficient" cores that switch on and off depending on the work load, which pretty much tells me that they're not able to make high performance cores that are also power efficient.

Ok altought youve been very clarifying, are you insuniating Apple is better.-.? Yes i know your just talking about each device CPU, but new+more cores is always better for multithreading and support new technologies. Pretty much i will still stick to the idea. And thank you again.

[Mew]

Ok altought youve been very clarifying, are you insuniating Apple is better.-.? Yes i know your just talking about each device CPU, but new+more cores is always better for multithreading and support new technologies. Pretty much i will still stick to the idea. And thank you again.

Well, my take on it is that one can easily notice the faster chip because of IPC, whereas having multiple cores is not as noticeable or beneficial in all situations; apps will run better on faster cores rather than more cores. Of course, you can hope that developers optimize for more cores. Hopefully, mobile won't take as long as pc did.

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OP your carrier can't order the Snapdragon development platform because it is for developers. It would be a terrible idea to use that as your daily driver as well because it will most likely be filled with bugs, and won't get software updates.
We most likely won't see a Note with a Snapdragon 810 until the Note 5. The Note 4 is already available in a variant with the Exynos 7 Octa (the SM-N910S has it). I strongly recommend that you wait for Snapdragon 810 phones to come out.
 
 

There have been many new (300-400€) phones packaging an octa-core. What company is producing them? If you know anything let me know because i tought only Exynos 7 was an Octa-Core. Thank you.

There are plenty of octa cores out there.
Exynos 5 Octa series (like 4 different chips) and the MediaTek MT6795 are two examples.
 
 
Don't listen to kurahk7. He knows far less than he thinks about this.
As far as single threaded performance goes, the new A57 chips (Exynos 7 Octa and Snapdragon 810) are pretty close to Apple's A8.
Right now, without the huge benefit of AArch64 (see my thread about it) the Exynos 7 Octa at 1.9GHz gets a single threaded score of 1339 in GeekBench. The A8 at 1.4GHz gets 1637.

So yes the Exynos 7 Octa is 18% slower at single threaded performance, but 54% faster at multi threaded performance. This is before we see the performance increase by going 64bit that I showed in previous link as well. That might be ~10% extra performance from a simple Android update and recompiling GeekBench. With that boost we might see the 1.9GHz A57 perform pretty similarly to the 1.4GHz A8 in single threaded performance, and a ridiculously big lead in multi threaded performance.

 

 

 

Edit: As a side note, you do realize both the 810 and the Exynos are not true 8 cores? They have 4 "high performance" cores and 4 "energy efficient" cores that switch on and off depending on the work load, which pretty much tells me that they're not able to make high performance cores that are also power efficient.

They are true 8 cores. There are 8 cores and all of them can run code at the same time. I told you to not think about them as 8 cores because you for some reason think of that as bad. You will rarely end up using all of them at once, but it's still a true 8 core.

Can you also please stop implying that Apple has made a power efficient high performance core but ARM has to resort to two separate designs? It's not that they can't make high performance cores that are also power efficient. It's that implementing things such as OoO execution is very pricey in terms of power efficiency no matter how you do it. So no matter how good you design your high performance core, it still won't be as efficient as a core specifically designed for it.

The same can be said about Cyclone. Cyclone is not as power efficient as some imaginary A53 equivalence from Apple would be.

 

Want a car analogy? It's like saying "oh this car has 4 wheel drive? lol, I guess they couldn't make a 2 wheel drive car with good traction". Even if you make a 2 wheel drive car with really good traction, it still won't be able to be as good as 4 wheel drive.

So it's not that ARM can't do it. It's that this solution doesn't have any drawbacks, but all the benefits. Apple's solution has a drawback. It is wasting power using huge OoO cores with really deep pipelines for even the most basic tasks.

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We most likely won't see a Note with a Snapdragon 810 until the Note 5. The Note 4 is already available in a variant with the Exynos 7 Octa (the SM-N910S has it). I strongly recommend that you wait for Snapdragon 810 phones to come out.

 

I am thinking like you now Lawlz, as the pace technology is going the Galaxy S6 would be lucky to have the Snapdragon 808 (which is pretty much the Exynos 7, clocked higher but with less 2 cores, same manufactering process and wireless adaptivity).When the Note 5 is released ill look thoroughly to obtain it. Thank you ^^. And developers platforms cant make phonecalls, i just cheked so its pretty much useless for me and all those who want the best usable smartphone. As for now the best phones, are the Note 4 for old school flat-screen lovers, and the Note Edge for curved screens wanna tries. Just in case someone is ever going to hold a note 2014 series then the Exynos 7 is the CPU to go. Even if a snapdragon 810 version gets released it mostlikely would be exclusive for South Korea. Hope this helps and Lawlz explanation to all people wondering.