hyper 212 evo or h80i

[C.G.F.Sabre]

Is there any large difference beteewn  the 2 that should make me run out and buy one over the other

[79wjd]

The h80i is better but not as good price/performance. 

 

I wouldn't bother with a sub 240mm AIO though, a Seidon 240m is a much better deal atm. 

[Extingquish]

Price to performance, the 212 EVO wins hands down, but the H80i has slightly better performance, and may look better to you

[Epic_Nex]

you going to be able to overclock more with the h80i, but the hyper 212 evo is a good option if you just plan on doing mild overclocking or none at all

[loccilucas]

I think if you want a AIO get a 240mm rad at least, don't bother with the 120/140mm rads just get an air cooler. (I still recommend air coolers over 240/280mm AIO's but thats irrelevant)

[C.G.F.Sabre]

I think if you want a AIO get a 240mm rad at least, don't bother with the 120/140mm rads just get an air cooler. (I still recommend air coolers over 240/280mm AIO's but thats irrelevant)

why would you recommend air over water

[arnavvr]

why would you recommend air over water

 

[loccilucas]

why would you recommend air over water

-cheaper

-more reliable

-same/very similar performance

-MILES quieter

-looks better (thats an unpopular opinion though)

[79wjd]

why would you recommend air over water

less prone to failure as one is just a heatsink, while the other is a pump.

 

But a high end water cooler will perform better than a high end air cooler. 

[C.G.F.Sabre]

They may be less reliable but 

 

-cheaper

-more reliable

-same/very similar performance

-MILES quieter

-looks better (thats an unpopular opinion though)

 

 

less prone to failure as one is just a heatsink, while the other is a pump.

 

But a high end water cooler will perform better than a high end air cooler. 

 

 

they may be less reliable but they cool it better and if you are overclocking wouldn't it be worth the risk

[79wjd]

they may be less reliable but they cool it better and if you are overclocking wouldn't it be worth the risk

Well, a high end air cooler and an h80i will yield similar temperatures -- therefore your overclock will be similar. 

 

Something like a Cooler Master Seidon 240m ($60-70) will yield better temperatures, thereby allowing you to push your cpu further (assuming your cpu can go further). 

[loccilucas]

They may be less reliable but 

they may be less reliable but they cool it better and if you are overclocking wouldn't it be worth the risk

AIO's don't really perform that much better than good air coolers, the difference is only a few degrees, That is not gonna make a difference unless you are extreme overclocking. The extra few degrees  (1-4c) is NOT worth the extra sound. 

[79wjd]

AIO's don't really perform that much better than good air coolers, the difference is only a few degrees, That is not gonna make a difference unless you are extreme overclocking. The extra few degrees  (1-4c) is NOT worth the extra sound. 

An AIO isn't automatically loud. I can't even hear my Seidon 240m. 

[C.G.F.Sabre]

Well, a high end air cooler and an h80i will yield similar temperatures -- therefore your overclock will be similar. 

 

Something like a Cooler Master Seidon 240m ($60-70) will yield better temperatures, thereby allowing you to push your cpu further (assuming your cpu can go further). 

is it still the same when you get into the higher priced water coolers

[79wjd]

is it still the same when you get into the higher priced water coolers

Pretty much anything above (and including) 240mm will outperform an air cooler. 

[loccilucas]

Pretty much anything above (and including) 240mm will outperform an air cooler. 

Not really, I hate linking benchmarks and charts but http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cooling/2014/05/01/noctua-nh-d15-review/2 

the high end AIO's and Air coolers tend to exchange blows (with AIO's winning by a few degrees) but I think its almost a consensus that good aircoolers are quieter than aios most of the time. I may be abit bias because going from my old AIO to my current cooler was a HUUUGGGEEE difference in volume, but my point still stands.

[C.G.F.Sabre]

Not really, I hate linking benchmarks and charts but http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cooling/2014/05/01/noctua-nh-d15-review/2 

the high end AIO's and Air coolers tend to exchange blows (with AIO's winning by a few degrees) but I think its almost a consensus that good aircoolers are quieter than aios most of the time. I may be abit bias because going from my old AIO to my current cooler was a HUUUGGGEEE difference in volume, but my point still stands.

well for me the few degrees could make a big diffrence for me because of where I live it is very hot in the summer

[loccilucas]

well for me the few degrees could make a big diffrence for me because of where I live it is very hot in the summer

Fair enough, but if its so hot that a difference of 3 degrees is making you uncomfortable, you should probably dial down that overclock.

[Benji_w]

From my experiance with my Phanteks 14 cooler and my custom loop I have learned a little bit in terms of heat management. The air cooler performs well because it was moving more air through my case and yielding pretty good temps etc but when I cranked those volts up things got real hot real quick, so when I went to water, I failed to cool the VRM and NB heat sinks and as my rads are exhausts they had warm/hot air going through them (still do to a degree, ha get it... ok...) but the thing I changed was this, 3x 80mm fans on the VRM and socket reduced my temp by a large margin, I was quite shocked tbh and I think a lot of people don't do this when they move to an AIO unit meaning higher temps if exhausting and if intaking you're then heating up the socket and VRM etc further increasing temps. Just what I've experienced these last couple of months is all just thought I'd add my 2 pence.

 

The hyper will help you overclock but not by much, at least if you want it to be stable, water can be cooler and quieter but some steps are needed to do so. I consider my PSU to be noisy and my rig certainly isn't optimised for watercooling in the slightest but it still makes less noise than when I was on air and I couldn't break 4.7ghz without really pushing the thermals beyond their safe margins.

[C.G.F.Sabre]

From my experiance with my Phanteks 14 cooler and my custom loop I have learned a little bit in terms of heat management. The air cooler performs well because it was moving more air through my case and yielding pretty good temps etc but when I cranked those volts up things got real hot real quick, so when I went to water, I failed to cool the VRM and NB heat sinks and as my rads are exhausts they had warm/hot air going through them (still do to a degree, ha get it... ok...) but the thing I changed was this, 3x 80mm fans on the VRM and socket reduced my temp by a large margin, I was quite shocked tbh and I think a lot of people don't do this when they move to an AIO unit meaning higher temps if exhausting and if intaking you're then heating up the socket and VRM etc further increasing temps. Just what I've experienced these last couple of months is all just thought I'd add my 2 pence.

 

The hyper will help you overclock but not by much, at least if you want it to be stable, water can be cooler and quieter but some steps are needed to do so. I consider my PSU to be noisy and my rig certainly isn't optimised for watercooling in the slightest but it still makes less noise than when I was on air and I couldn't break 4.7ghz without really pushing the thermals beyond their safe margins.

so push its a better config

[Benji_w]

so push its a better config

I will push when I fit a waterblock to my VRM and NB but until then it's more benefitical for me to cool those with cold air from the case side panel (2x 140mm) have the 2x 80 mm blowing down onto the VRM/NB then pull that air out, I did try the other way around but prefer cooler VRMs.

[Faceman]

Is there any large difference beteewn  the 2 that should make me run out and buy one over the other

On Intel, VRM cooling is not an issue.  The Hyper 212 EVO will allow you to pretty much hit any overclock as long as you are comfortable with the temps while gaming, and you have a good chip.

 

I had an EVO on my i5-4670k that was OC'd to 4.7Ghz @ 1.275v, pretty high.  During BF4 I was getting average temps in the mid 60s, with a high of 72C.  Anything below 85C for 24/7 use is considered ok. 

 

Since you live in the U.S. definitely look into the Cooler Master Seidon 240M.  Its very inexpensive, and performs insanely well considering its price, and best of all, it is VERY quiet for an AIO.  I've been around a few AIOs, and the Seidon is by far the most quiet.

 

What a lot of reviewers don't mention is fan speeds at less than maximum.  I hate that because I don't know many people who run their fans at maximum RPMs, it would be too loud.  Everyone thinks the X61 is the best AIO, and yea, it is at maximum RPMs, but at around 7v/1400rpm a more realistic fan setting, there are a handful of coolers doing better.  Also, when the voltage goes up beyond 1.2v, AIOs perform so much better than air.  There is no denying that the high end air coolers perform incredibly well, and don't have as many points of failure, but you need to keep in mind what fan speeds, and your overclocking expectations are.