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TB will be motherboard-dependent. All of Intel's Xeons and I7s carry TB support post Sandybridge.

If I had ANY questions about overclocking, I would probably go for that i7 4790-like Xeon (forgot name) because its binned to a higher standard and has more supported "goodies" and performs better for less $$$

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If I had ANY questions about overclocking, I would probably go for that i7 4790-like Xeon (forgot name) because its binned to a higher standard and has more supported "goodies" and performs better for less $$$

BCLK overclocking on Xeons is usually at best a 10% gain.

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I chalk most of that up to having HBM, which can be used as LLC.

It would be nice to see AMD utilizing HBM as L3 on Carrizo that would ultimately help explain such a jump in IPC on top of architecture improvements. It has a higher latency than traditional L3 but I guess it's better then not having any L3 at all. If AMD does utilize HBM as L3 I see them making a turn in the market where producing flagship products no longer spark their interest (FX). In given time APU's will become the new flagship product for them (already are, 73% of AMD revenue is from APU's). As the market slowly (but surely) is moving towards heterogeneous computing. I wouldn't mind having a Zen based 6 core APU with 1 GB of HBM packing even just 4 CU's. Tho I think AMD is relying on software to adapt heterogeneous computing over time to where having more serial performance means very little. A prime example is how LibreOffice performance jumped up to 8x with HSA versus traditional serial processing. AMD has been living through their APU's and honestly I hope Carrizo is another game changer for them. It may be something I sell my A10-6800k + HD 5870 based rig just to run everything off the APU.

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It would be nice to see AMD utilizing HBM as L3 on Carrizo that would ultimately help explain such a jump in IPC on top of architecture improvements. It has a higher latency than traditional L3 but I guess it's better then not having any L3 at all. If AMD does utilize HBM as L3 I see them making a turn in the market where producing flagship products no longer spark their interest (FX). In given time APU's will become the new flagship product for them (already are, 73% of AMD revenue is from APU's). As the market slowly (but surely) is moving towards heterogeneous computing. I wouldn't mind having a Zen based 6 core APU with 1 GB of HBM packing even just 4 CU's. Tho I think AMD is relying on software to adapt heterogeneous computing over time to where having more serial performance means very little. A prime example is how LibreOffice performance jumped up to 8x with HSA versus traditional serial processing. AMD has been living through their APU's and honestly I hope Carrizo is another game changer for them. It may be something I sell my A10-6800k + HD 5870 based rig just to run everything off the APU.

Now if only LibreOffice didn't break every time I made a document with tables... Microsoft Office is about the only reason Microsoft remains standing I swear...

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It would be nice to see AMD utilizing HBM as L3 on Carrizo that would ultimately help explain such a jump in IPC on top of architecture improvements. It has a higher latency than traditional L3 but I guess it's better then not having any L3 at all. If AMD does utilize HBM as L3 I see them making a turn in the market where producing flagship products no longer spark their interest (FX). In given time APU's will become the new flagship product for them (already are, 73% of AMD revenue is from APU's). As the market slowly (but surely) is moving towards heterogeneous computing. I wouldn't mind having a Zen based 6 core APU with 1 GB of HBM packing even just 4 CU's. Tho I think AMD is relying on software to adapt heterogeneous computing over time to where having more serial performance means very little. A prime example is how LibreOffice performance jumped up to 8x with HSA versus traditional serial processing. AMD has been living through their APU's and honestly I hope Carrizo is another game changer for them. It may be something I sell my A10-6800k + HD 5870 based rig just to run everything off the APU.

I'll gladly take that as an option as well. 

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Now Xeons get igpu's? Whats next?

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Now Xeons get igpu's? Whats next?

Heterogeneous computing. :)

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Now Xeons get igpu's? Whats next?

It's pretty much mandatory otherwise Intel will lose their server market share completely to AMD like they have been. APU's are the future as AMD claimed years ago and here they are taking over most infrastructure.

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Far more powerful HTPCs sound like a good proposition especially for space-starved living rooms and workplaces.

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I'm wondering if you could get a double socket motherboard and run them in SLI/crossfire (the Igpu's).

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I'm wondering if you could get a double socket motherboard and run them in SLI/crossfire (the Igpu's).

You could run the CPUs in a dual socket board if it the CPUs have QPI. But, in terms of clustering iGPUs, I don't think it works at a driver or hardware level. There may be a way to do it with OpenCL, although there will probably be some overhead. 

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Wish the base clock was at least 3.2GHz.


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http://ark.intel.com/products/79475/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-1284L-v3-6M-Cache-1_80-GHz#@product/specifications

http://blogs.citrix.com/2014/05/07/intel-discloses-new-xeon-e3-processor-with-intel-iris-pro-graphics-at-synergy/

 

I'm disappointed by the CPU clock speed (should be turbo to 4GHz), but this looks like Intel is testing the waters to see who will buy Iris Pro on desktop. Honestly, for anyone looking to get into CAD who can't afford the Quadro or FirePro, it looks like the solution has been found. The product is not yet launched, but it's set for Q4 2014, so it should be out by Christmas. 

 

Any amateur CAD/3D people here who want to give this a spin?

No cos the're gonna be mediocre at best and at worst a pile of horsecrap. It isn't a dedicated gpu so of course it will be shit. Iris Pro last year was as powerful as a GT 640. This year maybe as powerful as a 650.

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No cos the're gonna be mediocre at best and at worst a pile of horsecrap. It isn't a dedicated gpu so of course it will be shit. Iris Pro last year was as powerful as a GT 640. This year maybe as powerful as a 650.

On paper, as powerful. In real life, it's about a 650 already. 6200 is also as powerful as the 660 on paper, so we'll see where it lands. Also, I said amateurs: people without a large budget to afford said dGPU.

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Sounds like this would be a pretty good fit for the type of work I do. It's primarily 2D AutoCAD (version 2014) so we don't need full blown super-expensive workstation dGPUs as they would be massively overkill. But we also need pretty powerful CPUs for all the multi-tasking.

 

Seems like a more specialized APU designed and intended primarily for workstation applications, not for budget gaming. If Intel wants to compete with AMD on the APU/budget gaming front, they will have to come up with something far less expensive.

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Sounds like this would be a pretty good fit for the type of work I do. It's primarily 2D AutoCAD (version 2014) so we don't need full blown super-expensive workstation dGPUs as they would be massively overkill. But we also need pretty powerful CPUs for all the multi-tasking.

Seems like a more specialized APU designed and intended primarily for workstation applications, not for budget gaming. If Intel wants to compete with AMD on the APU/budget gaming front, they will have to come up with something far less expensive.

Not really. Carrizo's sticker price is going to be higher than Kaveri's launch price whether AMD fans want to admit it or not. AMD either has to sell Carrizo at a loss at the original Kaveri price or it has to raise prices to get the thin margins it had before due to the added cost of HBM.

Also, the Broadwell iGPU increased throughput per EU by 40% while adding 20% more EUs as well. Yes you still have to pay for Intel's CPU performance, but who honestly wouldn't? Is $100 more really a stretch for a more future-proof chip?

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Not really. Carrizo's sticker price is going to be higher than Kaveri's launch price whether AMD fans want to admit it or not. AMD either has to sell Carrizo at a loss at the original Kaveri price or it has to raise prices to get the thin margins it had before due to the added cost of HBM.

Also, the Broadwell iGPU increased throughput per EU by 40% while adding 20% more EUs as well. Yes you still have to pay for Intel's CPU performance, but who honestly wouldn't? Is $100 more really a stretch for a more future-proof chip?

 

You and I have had this discussion before. When it comes down to someone wanting to game and ONLY has X amount of $ to spend, they will not spend the extra $100 on the Intel part for several reasons. A high-end CPU is not necessary for gaming, so there's no need to spend more to get the same (or similar) gaming performance. If one can afford the Intel part, they're still better off buying a cheaper CPU without an iGPU and pairing that with a dGPU as that will give even better performance per dollar.

 

These Iris pro chips make very little to no sense for budget/entry-level gaming applications. They seem (to me anyways) much more suited for workstation applications where light to medium-duty compute along with some rendering performance is required.

 

The 7850K was more expensive than the 6800K on launch, unsurprisingly. And most likely Carrizo will cost more than the 7850K on launch. Nobody's denying that (not me anyways). But even if it is $200-250, it will still be significantly less expensive than any i7 or Xeon with the latest Iris Pro. They're competing in different markets with different intended uses. Pricing aside, it will still be very interesting to compare the two across a wide range of applications (gaming, compute, rendering etc.) and see how they stack up.

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No cos the're gonna be mediocre at best and at worst a pile of horsecrap. It isn't a dedicated gpu so of course it will be shit. Iris Pro last year was as powerful as a GT 640. This year maybe as powerful as a 650.

Broadwell will be at best with a 750, and like 750ti, 650ti boost, 265 by Skylake.

Not bad considering a high end haswell chip is a 650

 

 

You and I have had this discussion before. When it comes down to someone wanting to game and ONLY has X amount of $ to spend, they will not spend the extra $100 on the Intel part for several reasons. A high-end CPU is not necessary for gaming, so there's no need to spend more to get the same (or similar) gaming performance. If one can afford the Intel part, they're still better off buying a cheaper CPU without an iGPU and pairing that with a dGPU as that will give even better performance per dollar.

 

These Iris pro chips make very little to no sense for budget/entry-level gaming applications. They seem (to me anyways) much more suited for workstation applications where light to medium-duty compute along with some rendering performance is required.

 

The 7850K was more expensive than the 6800K on launch, unsurprisingly. And most likely Carrizo will cost more than the 7850K on launch. Nobody's denying that (not me anyways). But even if it is $200-250, it will still be significantly less expensive than any i7 or Xeon with the latest Iris Pro. They're competing in different markets with different intended uses. Pricing aside, it will still be very interesting to compare the two across a wide range of applications (gaming, compute, rendering etc.) and see how they stack up.

If Carrizo has HBM, i'm sure the higher price sorta welcomed because you could use a little less system ram and at a lower speed.

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