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Insane Compact NAS 2014 - 48TB Network-attached Storage

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I just love these kinds of videos.  Was really looking forward to watch this since he teased it the night before on instagram.

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Intel really needs to push Thunderbolt more. No need then for extra Gigabit ethernet cards, and every motherboard could do with at least 1 TB port.

 

It would make all external expansion so much easier for people, and allow greater bandwidth. 

 

I would be all over a NAS that is Thunderbolt 2 equipped and that amount of storage. The Areca TB DAS RAID enclosures are simply amazing for content creation. 

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Any idea on the total cost of the system just as Linus showed it? 

It'd be somewhere around the $5,000 USD range.

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@LinusTech

 

I actually built a micro server/NAS in the Silverstone DS380 just a couple weeks ago for home use and trust me, I know what you mean by there being little room for cable management. I ended up going with a Gigagybyte GA-Z79N-Wifi board because it has 6 Sata 6GBs ports and dual NICs and the G3258 since this wasn't going to be under extreme load like yours. I used 3 3TB drives in a RAID 5 config to give me a total of 5.4TB of usable space. So far I have been happy with my build and it has worked perfectly except for one thing I didn't know about till I installed Windows Server 2012R2. Intel validates their NIC drivers to work with either Consumer based OSs or Server based OSs, so a Z97 integrated NIC technically won't load under a Server OS. Luckily, and thanks to the internet, I was able to find how to trick the config file of the driver to allow it to be installed on Server 2012R2. In the future, I plan on putting a RAID card and increasing the array but for right now, a single drive fault tolerance and 5.4 TB are perfectly fine for my use.   

 

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There is all that redundancy for data(two drives can fail), but the OS is only on a single drive? It won't be very fun when that fails and you have to rebuild the OS. I would have put it across two drives with RAID 1.

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@LinusTech if you end up putting this into production (it sounds like you are), then definitely submit it to the 10TB+ storage thread.

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I reviewed my thoughts again "on how i decided on a fixed 4-drive solution", after watching this video.

Nevertheless, its difficult to not greed for storage space. (Perhaps if i had good housekeeping discipline)

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That's a lot of porn.

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The following would be a better option for most home users though: -

ASRock E3C226D2I

4th gen Core i3

ECC memory

The board does have 6 SATA ports which should be more than enough for "MOST" home users.

The board has dual ethernet and an onboard USB for having FREENAS installed instead of a USB drive sticking out. Also there is a PCIE expansion so users can opt for 10 gigabit ethernet or more storage.

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how I wish I could afford these things...

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Does someone have a link to the MoBo?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157475

 

 

I actually thought this may be a good option for home use but use WD Red drives and less RAM. Once I saw the price of that motherboard though I'll just stick with my Drobo. Ends up being cheaper.

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Does someone have a link to the MoBo?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157475

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157475

 

 

I actually thought this may be a good option for home use but use WD Red drives and less RAM. Once I saw the price of that motherboard though I'll just stick with my Drobo. Ends up being cheaper.

what board are you using considering using this case with 2 WD Red 4TBs maybe 8-16GB of ECC ram... and a 840 Pro 128GB For Free NAS

 

Edit: Raidz2 might be a better idea now that i think about it maybe 4 WD Red 2TBs, what do you think this will be a home server to back up all my machines and store my media library, i probably need 2.5TB at first and would have another 1.5TB for the future with the ability to add up to 8TBs more... 

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what PSU are they using

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Thats a really overkill but somewhat awesome build. Would love to have so much money to waste on such stuff.

 

I would just change the Hard Drives. Business Hard Drives especially Seagate ones really suck. Backblaze hat good statistics on this here: https://www.backblaze.com/blog/what-hard-drive-should-i-buy/

 

And thats the same experience I had with enterprise grade HDDs. They are way worse than any consumer product on the market, even though they offer warranty beyond the stadrad 1 or 2 years the failure rate is that hight that even the warranty doesnt make a real difference.

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I would just change the Hard Drives. Business Hard Drives especially Seagate ones really suck. Backblaze hat good statistics on this here: https://www.backblaze.com/blog/what-hard-drive-should-i-buy/

 

And thats the same experience I had with enterprise grade HDDs. They are way worse than any consumer product on the market, even though they offer warranty beyond the stadrad 1 or 2 years the failure rate is that hight that even the warranty doesnt make a real difference.

 

They don't have any real business grade HDDs in their statistics ...

(Barracuda is their consumer brand ;) )

 

also ...

 

 

We are focusing on 4TB drives for new pods. For these, our current favorite is the Seagate Desktop HDD.15 (ST4000DM000).

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Just thought i would post the motherboard info,  was looking it up. CDN $ is $420  OUCH!!  

   

 

ASRock C2750D4I Mini ITX Server Motherboard FCBGA1283 DDR3 1600/1333

 

Nice little board, but steep price. Wonder if people will buy this and use the onboard Raid, or will people be buying a PCI-e dedicated Raid card.. If you go with Dedicated raid card, you could buy a intel micro board & intel i3 with some ram. 

 

Very nice case, small compact, good price too!

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If you hadn't have gone with FreeNAS, what other software would you have considered?

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Great build 

 

As someone who is a SAN Engineer during the day this sort of build is the way I go at home. My primary background is on Netapp (with some equallogic and pure thrown in there) so I am a huge ZFS fan (which from a feature standpoint is so similar to netapp that they had a huge lawsuit going on for years)  

 

From a hardware perspective I personally follow fairly close to the direction you went all around

 

Personally I do more home bake on the OS side rolling Solaris or FreeBSD with ZFS and layering SAMBA on top for file shares it gives me generally more flexibility on cache configuration and greater control over features like duplication, compression that you may want to tweak (specially in your case with large video files, changing block size or aggressiveness can be important) 

 

Great video!

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That should fill up quick with all the 4K videos you guys can do.

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And in sitting here with my 320gb drive plus 700gb in raid 0.... I tought That was cool

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