Non Z overclocking?

[Chuck Eastlee]

So, I know that some h81 and b85 chipsets will allow overclocking for the pentium G3258. However, there are mixed results when I use google. Some sources say, it wont work and only uses it with turbo, others say its fine without turbo, others say that it doesnt work as a whole, So my question is that if I get an 

 

Asus H81M-K Intel H81

 

or an 

 

MSI H81M-E33 V2 Intel H81

 

Will I be able to achieve good enough overclocking to consider the pentium over a better stock clocked i3 or AMD? Would love some help on here.

 

 

[Firearm2112]

H series mobos can't overclock. You need a Z series

[BiG StroOnZ]

There are boards besides those that offer full guaranteed overclocking support no gimmicks: the ASRock Fatal1ty B85 Killer and the ASRock Fatal1ty H97 Killer

[Boink]

Some motherboard manufacturers have added overclocking to their B/H series motherboards for the G3258 with a bios update. Overclocking results should be similar to Z97 motherboards as overclocks are usually limited by the CPU itself rather than the motherboard's power delivery.

[Chuck Eastlee]

There are boards besides those that offer full guaranteed overclocking support no gimmicks: the ASRock Fatal1ty B85 Killer and the ASRock Fatal1ty H97 Killer

Yes well the whole point of this is a budget, I'm not going to spend more on a mobo than a cpu, especially if its only H or B

[BiG StroOnZ]

Yes well the whole point of this is a budget, I'm not going to spend more on a mobo than a cpu, especially if its only H or B

 

If you want proper overclocking support you are going to have to spend a bit of money. The H97 Killer is $93 after rebate, the B85 Killer is $92. So a "whopping" $20 more than the chip itself.

[Faceman]

Might as well just get a Z97 motherboard.  It will be better suited for overclocking the Pentium, and when you get enough money to upgrade to an i5/i7, you are ready to go.

 

Some Z97 motherboards are only $80.

 

MSI Z97 PC GAME

 

ASRock Z97 Anniversary Edition

[Clyne]

H series mobos can't overclock. You need a Z series

Yeah right...

http://www.techpowerup.com/202196/asus-enables-overclocking-on-h97-h87-b85-and-h81-series-motherboards.html

[WoodenMarker]

H series mobos can't overclock. You need a Z series

No..

If you want proper overclocking support you are going to have to spend a bit of money. The H97 Killer is $93 after rebate, the B85 Killer is $92. So a "whopping" $20 more than the chip itself.

and not really. Either motherboards are fine for oc'ing the G3258 after a bios update. The only issue is that the core voltage can't be raised beyond 1.3v if I remember correctly. The H81m-K would be the better of the 2. 

[BiG StroOnZ]

No..

and not really. Either motherboards are fine for oc'ing the G3258 after a bios update. The only issue is that the core voltage can't be raised beyond 1.3v if I remember correctly. The H81m-K would be the better of the 2. 

 

Most people are doing over 1.3v on the G3258 for proper overclocking (there are even some chips that need over 1.3v just to hit 4.5-4.6GHz), so that doesn't seem like those are beneficial motherboard choices if you are limited to 1.3v max. Imagine you have a chip that can do 4.6GHz @ 1.35v (which I've seen reported numerous of times) but you cant achieve that because you are limited to 1.3v. Seems like a set back. When all you have to do is a spend a little more money on purchasing a half decent motherboard to push the chip properly. 

[WoodenMarker]

Most people are doing over 1.3v on the G3258 for proper overclocking, so that doesn't seem like a beneficial motherboard choices if you are limited to 1.3v max. 

The average chip should be able to hit 4.5ghz+ with 1.3v: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8232/overclockable-pentium-anniversary-edition-review-the-intel-pentium-g3258-ae

It's not really worth spending that much more for 0.1-0.3ghz. 

[BiG StroOnZ]

The average chip should be able to hit 4.5ghz+ with 1.3v: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8232/overclockable-pentium-anniversary-edition-review-the-intel-pentium-g3258-ae

It's not really worth spending that much more for 0.1-0.3ghz. 

 

So you are going by Anandtech that gets sent binned samples, as opposed to actual users who purchase their chips from retailers. All you have to do is look at the reviews on Newegg or go to Overclock.net or anywhere else to see that the numbers on Anandtech are not real world averages for voltages by any means.

 

We are talking $30 more here for a motherboard, this isn't that much money. Even the ASRock Z97 Anniversary is $79.99 after rebate.

[WoodenMarker]

So you are going by Andandtech that gets sent binned samples, as opposed to actually users who purchase their chips from retailers. All you have to do is look at the reviews on Newegg or go to Overclock.net or anywhere else to see that the numbers on Andandtech are not real world averages for voltages by any means.

We are talking $30 more here for a motherboard, this isn't that much money. Even the ASRock Z97 Anniversary is $79.99 after rebate.

Newegg isn't really a good source since those who are dissatisfied will give more reviews that those who aren't.

There are cheaper boards that still decent for oc'ing a G3258. For example, the H81 Pro BTC isn't voltage capped if I remember correctly and can use at least 1.35v if it is. http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-h81probtc

[BiG StroOnZ]

Newegg isn't really a good source since those who are dissatisfied will give more reviews that those who aren't.

There are cheaper boards that still decent for oc'ing a G3258. For example, the H81 Pro BTC isn't voltage capped if I remember correctly and can use at least 1.35v if it is. http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-h81probtc

 

So you are recommending someone overclock their new CPU on a motherboard that wasn't actually intended for overclocking (even though they might have unlocked the feature in the bios for convenience; still doesn't necessarily mean the boards themselves are designed for overclocking)? Meaning, it's OK in your opinion to buy a $40-50 motherboard and dive right into overclocking. Even say pushing at least 1.3v into the CPU with this $40-50 motherboard and expect everything to run fine and dandy without any problems? Dismissing any long term problems that might occur from doing such a thing? 

 

Seems like a risk I wouldn't want to take. Sin's Hardware doesn't even list the VRM's or MOSFETS found in any of these motherboards because it's not even worth the time.

[WoodenMarker]

So you are recommending someone overclock their new CPU on a motherboard that wasn't actually intended for overclocking (even though they unlocked the feature in the bios doesn't necessarily mean the boards themselves are designed for overclocking)? Meaning, it's OK to buy a $40-50 motherboard and dive right into overclocking. Even say pushing at least 1.3v into the CPU with this $40-50 motherboard and expect everything to run fine and dandy without any problems? Or long term problems that might occur from doing such a thing? 

Seems like a risk I wouldn't want to take. Sin's Hardware doesn't even list the VRM's or MOSFETS found in any of these motherboards because it's not even worth the time.

They're fine for oc'ing when it comes to the 'measly' dual core G3258. 

[BiG StroOnZ]

They're fine for oc'ing when it comes to the 'measly' dual core G3258. 

 

You have long term data available that confirms this statement?

[WoodenMarker]

You have long term data available that confirms this statement?

..no. Does anyone?

[BiG StroOnZ]

..no. Does anyone?

 

Idk, you said so reassuringly that it's entirely safe to overclock this chip on a $40-50 motherboard without any problems now or in the future. I was just wondering where you developed this idea from, I figured perhaps with your researching abilities (based on all your G3258's you have been through) you had information available that would make such a statement seem so easily plausible.  

[WoodenMarker]

Idk, you said so reassuringly that it's entirely safe to overclock this chip on a $40-50 motherboard without any problems now or in the future. I was just wondering where you developed this idea from, I figured perhaps with your researching abilities you had information available that would make such a statement seem so easily plausible.  

I don't think such a long term database exists. 

There's no indication that the motherboards are not safe to oc on yet they provide the feature. I doubt the manufacturer  would do so if they didn't believe them to be safe. 

[BiG StroOnZ]

I don't think such a long term database exists.

 

Maybe that should be the next review being done. Long term overclocking on non-Z motherboards. "Will they eventually fail?" 

[WoodenMarker]

Maybe that should be the next review being done. Long term overclocking on non-Z motherboards. "Will they eventually fail?" 

Way too many variables. 

[BiG StroOnZ]

Way too many variables. 

 

Run a stable overclock @ 1.3v on a non-Z motherboard for a year. See what happens. Doesn't seem too difficult to me. 

[WoodenMarker]

Run a stable overclock @ 1.3v on a non-Z motherboard for a year. See what happens. Doesn't seem to difficult to me. 

You'd need a larger sample size than just one system for reliable results. Motherboards aren't exactly simple things and the reason for one failing isn't always oc'ing. 

Also, each motherboard is different even if they are the same chipset and would have to be tested individually.

[BiG StroOnZ]

You'd need a larger sample size than just one system for reliable results. Motherboards aren't exactly simple things and the reason for one failing isn't always oc'ing. 

Also, each motherboard is different even if they are the same chipset and would have to be tested individually.

 

There are other areas where reviewers do long term testing on products. Take cars for example, there are car magazines that do long term drive testing on various cars and see what car comes out on top with the least mechanical problems or has the least repairs or least amount of overall issues at the end of their year long testings. Cars are a lot more complicated than computers. So if they can do this type of long-term reviewing on cars. You can do this type of long term reviewing on a computer.

 

I'd say it pretty much is self-explanatory if your hypothesis is that long term overclocking on a non-Z motherboard will eventually cause a motherboard failure if your findings after doing such a test are that the motherboard fails after long term usage with this overclock. There really isn't that many variables involved at all. It wouldn't be coincidence that just magically the computer did not boot one day, and it turned out to be motherboard failure.

 

I have a Socket 754 motherboard that was overclocked on for years, since I got the thing. I still boots up to this day. That's a 10 year old motherboard and it still hasn't failed. Case in point, although motherboards aren't exactly simple things. They don't typically just fail for no reason. Especially if you use them with their appropriate intention. The test wouldn't be to test multiple motherboards from the same chipset. The test would be to take one single $40-50 1150 motherboard that allows overclocking, stick a Pentium G3258 in it. Find a stable overclock @ 1.3v. Run the computer daily for a year like it was your own and see the outcome. Seems like a pretty isolated test. 

[WoodenMarker]

I have a Socket 754 motherboard that was overclocked on for years, since I got the thing. I still boots up to this day. That's a 10 year old motherboard and it still hasn't failed. Case in point, although motherboards aren't exactly simple things. They don't typically just fail for no reason. Especially if you use them with their appropriate intention. The test wouldn't be to test multiple motherboards from the same chipset. The test would be to take one single $40-50 1150 motherboard that allows overclocking, stick a Pentium G3258 in it. Find a stable overclock @ 1.3v. Run the computer daily for a year like it was your own and see the outcome. Seems like a pretty isolated test. 

Motherboards don't fail for no reason but whether the reason is due to oc'ing or not isn't exactly crystal clear. I have yet to see a cpu die other than from being tossed across the room. 

I haven't had any issue with oc'ing G3258's on H81 and B85 boards.