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Should I REALLY go X99 or should I go for Z97?

Ok, so I know I've sort of asked this a week or 2 ago, but the day of payment is coming (lol) and I need to obviously be sure and have a clear answer of what I need to be buying.

 

So I'm currently a YouTuber that's going to be constantly rendering videos in full 1080p HD (maybe even higher resolutions in the future), obviously editing those videos, and recording gameplay. Then I also do photoshop work for thumbnails and also am getting into digital art (not YouTube related lol). I'm going to be live streaming soon too (once I actually build this PC) and I may every now and then want to play a game or live stream while rendering a video (Linus's newest video on this stuff was pretty informative about this).

 

My major in the next year or so when I go to my next college is going to be in the art field (and hopefully graphics design) and I'm going to hopefully start doing some animations (though keep in mind this is something that could possibly change, though it is something I really want to do regardless of going to college for it or not). 

 

Anyways, in terms of actual gaming the 970 will handle most of my needs as I do want to play games nearly/completely maxed out at 1080p (and maybe 1440p/4k, but then I'd just SLI the 970 in the future) and hitting/going above 60FPS. 

 

Some have recommended the Z97 E3 Xeon's/i7-4790k. While others say to go for the X99 platform and go for the 5820k. 

 

What do you guys think? X99 or nah? 

 

Thanks. 

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x99... I was going to say z97 till you said graphics design and animation... Just save the hassle and get x99.

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I'd X99, if you can afford it.


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You get to join the cool club if you have an X99 system, so solely for that reason, X99.

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x99 for your uses

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x99... I was going to say z97 till you said graphics design and animation... Just save the hassle and get x99.

Keep in mind that it's an on the fence sort of thing, but it IS something I want to get to doing eventually. I want to either help create video games in the future or actually create cartoons, animations, or even (hopefully) anime one day...or all of the above sounds awesome as well. lol

 

I'd X99, if you can afford it.

It's pushing it, but I can. 

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Keep in mind that it's an on the fence sort of thing, but it IS something I want to get to doing eventually. I want to either help create video games in the future or actually create cartoons, animations, or even (hopefully) anime one day...or all of the above sounds awesome as well. lol

 

It's pushing it, but I can. 

Would you have to cheap out on any components? Because if you'd have to I'd rethink it.


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Would you have to cheap out on any components? Because if you'd have to I'd rethink it.

Not really, I'd have to get a lower RAM count at first (starting with 8GB) but I'll keep increasing it as time goes on...then again it IS DDR4 8GB so speed isn't something I should necessarily be concerned about with 8GB. 

 

The CPU cooler would have to be a 212 Evo...but honestly even with that and how X platforms seem to handle themselves so well, I've heard of people staying moderately cool with a 3.8Ghz or even slightly higher OC with a 212 Evo, so I should be fine with that for awhile before maybe upgrading to something more heavy duty like a AIO water cooler. 

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People tend to drastically overestimate the toll video editing takes on your system. 

 

I did complex, multi-layered video with effects just fine on an i5 on Z68 and 16GB of RAM. While not ideal, and lagged horribly compared to my current 64GB, 2400Mhz RAM on a 6-core-CPU setup, it worked and wasn't unbearable.

 

For video editing, a high end Z97 build with an i7 will do everything you need to. X99 will be a clear performance boost when used side by side, but unless you're directly comparing, it's unlikely you'll find the Z97 board unsatisfactory.

 

Whether the performance gain is worth it is up to you, but I find the enthusiast platform is better due to features and PCI-E lanes rather than raw performance, the performance just removes any tedium when you're doing professional work.

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X99, since you are are a YouTuber and will be rendering a lot of 1080 p content, having a system that will render faster will be beneficial. 

Also, if you go with one of the 8 cores (5960X) you will still be able to use the rig while it renders - Linus just released a video on this today.

 

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if your budget can go with X99 

Go for X99

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-snip-

That was the video I was referring to in my post. Lol 

 

Also the 5820k can do multiple things like render videos and play games as well. It simply just doesn't do as well as the 5960X. 

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X99, even just the 5820K would be much better.

I don't see the point in the 5930K I just don't. If you SERIOUSLY want that quad CFX or SLI then be my guess, but it's not going to give you that much more performance anyways. The 5820k can be overclocked to the 5930k and tons higher so again, I don't see the point. As I've said before. The 5930K should have been an 8 core with the 5960X being a 10 or 12 core. As for the 5960X...1,000 dollars for a CPU that is going to save me like an extra 5 minutes on something rendering just isn't worth it to me. Lol Especially since it's only just an 8 core. 

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I don't see the point in the 5930K I just don't. If you SERIOUSLY want that quad CFX or SLI then be my guess, but it's not going to give you that much more performance anyways. The 5820k can be overclocked to the 5930k and tons higher so again, I don't see the point. As I've said before. The 5930K should have been an 8 core with the 5960X being a 10 or 12 core. As for the 5960X...1,000 dollars for a CPU that is going to save me like an extra 5 minutes on something rendering just isn't worth it to me. Lol Especially since it's only just an 8 core. 

The point of 5820k vs 5930k/5960x is the 28 vs 40 lane support of PCIe expansion. If you have a ton of peripherals (tuner card, sound card, NIC, etc.) + SLI you may actually need more than 28 lanes of PCIe (I do).

 

For your uses it sounds like it would be completely pointless to get anything other than i7-4790k or 5820k. If you plan on editing/streaming/uploading video simultaneously you'll want more than 8GB of RAM in either scenario. Really it just comes down to cost and how much time you're willing to lose vs one platform or the other, and between 4790k and 5820k it's not an earth shattering difference unless you lucked out on your CPU draw and got a 4.6-4.7 5820k (highly unlikely).

 

I say go with the 4790k and use the money you saved to get a couple quality high capacity HDD's for video storage/backup in RAID (WD Se drives are amazing) as well as a good couple SSD's (one for OS, one for scratch disk). Also, if you're paying for the software that you will be using that saved cash will go a long way towards Premiere pro CC, Vegas Pro, etc. Editing software is not cheap, and unless you're pirating you'll need a bit of a war chest to get going.

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Your profile lists Youtuber as your occupation, and from your tone, it sounds like you do this seriously. In my opinion, if this is how you're making your living and you can afford to do so, a 12-thread processor is worth the investment.

 

I would absolutely recommend a hobbyist just go with Z97, possibly even an i5, and just not worry about the extra few minutes on the occasion that they have to render a video. But if you're doing this constantly, those minutes add up.

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I don't see the point in the 5930K I just don't. If you SERIOUSLY want that quad CFX or SLI then be my guess, but it's not going to give you that much more performance anyways. The 5820k can be overclocked to the 5930k and tons higher so again, I don't see the point. As I've said before. The 5930K should have been an 8 core with the 5960X being a 10 or 12 core. As for the 5960X...1,000 dollars for a CPU that is going to save me like an extra 5 minutes on something rendering just isn't worth it to me. Lol Especially since it's only just an 8 core. 

Only an 8 core? That's 8 strong cores, not some 8350 BS.

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The point of 5820k vs 5930k/5960x is the 28 vs 40 lane support of PCIe expansion. If you have a ton of peripherals (tuner card, sound card, NIC, etc.) + SLI you may actually need more than 28 lanes of PCIe (I do).

 

For your uses it sounds like it would be completely pointless to get anything other than i7-4790k or 5820k. If you plan on editing/streaming/uploading video simultaneously you'll want more than 8GB of RAM in either scenario. Really it just comes down to cost and how much time you're willing to lose vs one platform or the other, and between 4790k and 5820k it's not an earth shattering difference unless you lucked out on your CPU draw and got a 4.6-4.7 5820k (highly unlikely).

 

I say go with the 4790k and use the money you saved to get a couple quality high capacity HDD's for video storage/backup in RAID (WD Se drives are amazing) as well as a good couple SSD's (one for OS, one for scratch disk). Also, if you're paying for the software that you will be using that saved cash will go a long way towards Premiere pro CC, Vegas Pro, etc. Editing software is not cheap, and unless you're pirating you'll need a bit of a war chest to get going.

Eh...not really in my case. I'd SLI in the future and that's about it, I MAY stick a sound card in there, but I already know that'll fit sooo I'm good lol. If I need a wireless connection I'll just buy one of the USB 3.0 Wireless adapters. 

 

8GB would just be the start for 5820k. I'd get another 8 when I can and when prices drop probably another 16 for 32GB if I felt like I needed the extra horsepower. Actually....I've seen a decent amount of 5820k's getting 4.3-4.6Ghz.

 

I could just you know...put those drives in at a later date lol. It's not like my starting build is the end all be all....LOL you told me to buy expensive software. 

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Your profile lists Youtuber as your occupation, and from your tone, it sounds like you do this seriously. In my opinion, if this is how you're making your living and you can afford to do so, a 12-thread processor is worth the investment.

 

I would absolutely recommend a hobbyist just go with Z97, possibly even an i5, and just not worry about the extra few minutes on the occasion that they have to render a video. But if you're doing this constantly, those minutes add up.

I've recently started taking it more seriously. I was actually uploading 2 videos a day for like a month/1 month and a half straight....untilllll my current computer's HDD got corrupted....so yeah. Kinda sucks. Definitely in need of a new build now. (Not replacing the HDD in a A8-5500 pre-built. LOL)

 

It's technically a hobby. No one should ever treat YouTube like a "job" sure, you can eventually start getting paid. But even PewDiePie doesn't treat it like a job .Though your "hobby" will eventually start paying your bills/things you want so it's best to definitely be constantly creating and uploading content lol. I'm not at the 1,000 Subs mark meaning I can't get paid yet, but ever since I've come back from like a nearly 1-2 year hiatus I've been uploading like a madman lol. 

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Only an 8 core? That's 8 strong cores, not some 8350 BS.

LOL I hear you, but man it's 1k dude lol. That's A LOT of money for 8 cores when the 6 cores under it can get near it's performance with some heavy duty OC's. 

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Eh...not really in my case. I'd SLI in the future and that's about it, I MAY stick a sound card in there, but I already know that'll fit sooo I'm good lol. If I need a wireless connection I'll just buy one of the USB 3.0 Wireless adapters. 

 

8GB would just be the start for 5820k. I'd get another 8 when I can and when prices drop probably another 16 for 32GB if I felt like I needed the extra horsepower. Actually....I've seen a decent amount of 5820k's getting 4.3-4.6Ghz.

 

I could just you know...put those drives in at a later date lol. It's not like my starting build is the end all be all....LOL you told me to buy expensive software.

Plan once buy once. With the "freshness" of DDR4 it wouldnt surprise me if manufacturers discontinued earlier kits in favor of more stable kits (and faster) as BIOS revisions progress as well as the R&D involved in long term stability. Hodgepodging together early kits with later ones of a different model is not guaranteed to work, and then you're wasting twice the money as kits arent likely to get much cheaper within the year. I've had some significant difficulties with BIOS updates as well as XMP settings, early adopters are essentially the beta testers :)

As for the software, I said if you weren't pirating ;) Having a solid on-site method of backup is critical even if it's just a hobby, you can't rely on Youtube archiving everything for you, those raw videos are fairly critical (IMO) and a 1TB mirror across 2 drives isn't much of an upfront cost.

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you can get a good x99 setup for 1k bucks. go for it if you can afford it.

msi x99s

5820k

8 gb crucial ddr4

970 gtx

650 watt Psu

crucial ssd 256

wd green 2tb or more

some big air cooler for cpu like be quiet dark rock, scythe mugen or some noktua.

 

i believe those parts deliver the best bang for the buck.

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Plan once buy once. With the "freshness" of DDR4 it wouldnt surprise me if manufacturers discontinued earlier kits in favor of more stable kits (and faster) as BIOS revisions progress as well as the R&D involved in long term stability. Hodgepodging together early kits with later ones of a different model is not guaranteed to work, and then you're wasting twice the money as kits arent likely to get much cheaper within the year. I've had some significant difficulties with BIOS updates as well as XMP settings, early adopters are essentially the beta testers :)

As for the software, I said if you weren't pirating ;) Having a solid on-site method of backup is critical even if it's just a hobby, you can't rely on Youtube archiving everything for you, those raw videos are fairly critical (IMO) and a 1TB mirror across 2 drives isn't much of an upfront cost.

Eh I guess I could beg my friend for another 8GB kit...though honestly dude, I could just look up the model number of the specific kit and find someone selling them later. 

 

I never delete any of my video files for the most part. Sooo they're already on my HDD and stay there. 

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you can get a good x99 setup for 1k bucks. go for it if you can afford it.

msi x99s

5820k

8 gb crucial ddr4

970 gtx

650 watt Psu

crucial ssd 256

wd green 2tb or more

some big air cooler for cpu like be quiet dark rock, scythe mugen or some noktua.

 

i believe those parts deliver the best bang for the buck.

MSI board is like always sold out these days, plus I'm a little on and off to switching from ASUS. 

 

650w isn't going to be enough for a future SLI build and OC'ing

 

I don't like the Green Drives. I've experienced 5400RPM and don't like it. I honestly find stacking Blue drives (because WD is stupid and wont release at least a 2TB Blue) is a great option. 

 

Going for a cheap air cooler first, then upgrade later to an AIO Water Cooling setup. 

 

They all do, I just personally have different tastes a tad. 

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