Monitor Suggestion

[Verdinate]

Hey everyone.

 

I'm looking to get a new monitor. I currently own a TN 22" LG monitor. It's model is E2242.

I would say that I'm not satisfied. I'm really looking forward to get the following features:

 

• IPS Monitor: Very important for me. I hate the weird colours when viewing from different angles.
• Thin Bezel: This is not a must, but in my opinion it looks better when there's a thin bezel (between the edge and the actually monitor).
• Glass Panel: I would really love a glossy panel than matte glass. I just think things look better to my eyes on a glossy screen.
• Size: 27" to 28". I think 27" would suit me best.
• Resolution: I've been told that 1080p is low enough for 27". I mean, it's not that ideal. 2560x1440 sounds great, however most 27" monitors come with only 1080p (1920x1080).

What do you think I can get? I don't really mind the price, just give me whatever and I'll choose.

One last thing - As funny as it might sound I really care about the look of the monitor. Monitors like the Asus MX-297H & the Dell S2740L really caught my eye because they do look good. A glossy screen really gets me when it comes to monitors. The Dell S2740L seems like a nice choice, but the resolution seems low for gaming. 

 

What do you think?

 

Thanks.

[GoodBytes]

You have to pick. Glossy monitors are low end screens

Non-glossy are the decent and up monitors.

 

They are exceptions. But nothing I would or anyone would recommend. (doesn't fit your needs or requirements, or it's those horrible monitor where they use a texture plastic, like "anti-glare" screen protectors instead of a a specialize filter which allows lights from the monitor to go through fairly straight, and dissipate light that comes form the outside, delivering to you, a non glossy screen, but retain the monitor sharpness, and vivid colors.

 

The Dell U2713HM is the closest to your need, I believe.

 -> 2560x1440

 -> true 8-bit IPS panel

 -> sRGB manufacture pre-color calibrated profile with report, ready to be selected once installed on the screen menu

 -> Fully adjustable

 -> 27inch

 -> All the inputs you need

 -> good performance for gaming.

[Verdinate]

You have to pick. Glossy monitors are low end screens

Non-glossy are the decent and up monitors.

 

They are exceptions. But nothing I would or anyone would recommend. (doesn't fit your needs or requirements, or it's those horrible monitor where they use a texture plastic, like "anti-glare" screen protectors instead of a a specialize filter which allows lights from the monitor to go through fairly straight, and dissipate light that comes form the outside, delivering to you, a non glossy screen, but retain the monitor sharpness, and vivid colors.

 

The Dell U2713HM is the closest to your need, I believe.

 -> 2560x1440

 -> true 8-bit IPS panel

 -> sRGB manufacture pre-color calibrated profile with report, ready to be selected once installed on the screen menu

 -> Fully adjustable

 -> 27inch

 -> All the inputs you need

 -> good performance for gaming.

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

Well, every glossy monitor I've compared to a matte one looked better. Take this as an example. I don't own any Apple computer but I was visiting their store with my cousin because he wanted to check out a few things there. I've wandered around and bumped into the 27" iMac model. The screen looked absolutely amazing, even though it was only 1440p.  When I got back home, I did a little research. Turned out they only have 109 ppi on the iMac monitor. Still, it looked very sharp. This is most likely because of the glass panel, rather than a matte glass.

 

Why are glossy monitors low end? Could you explain? I really think they look much more beautiful to the eye and things look sharper.

 

Also, once again -- as stupid as it mights sound, I actually want a monitor that would look good on my screen. Honestly, the U2713HM doesn't seem like a good pick. I really like think bezels and a nice aluminium stand. Too bad that's not a standard in most monitors so I'll most likely have to compromise for something else.

 

Oh and... if you're going for Dell UltraSharp, what do you think about this one?

 

EDIT: Nevermind, seems like it's 1080p.

 

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EDIT: I actually wouldn't really mind about the stand, but I do want thin bezels. I'm thinking about mounting the monitor to the wall so I would need something that's easy to get out.

[ChaosGoW]

I love my PB278Q by Asus but it's quite expensive for what it is. Colours look great, lots of I/O, the bezels aren't super thin but they're attractive to look at and the matte screen is lovely in my eyes. Is it perfect? no but I'm happy with the trade offs.

Note that if you plan on gaming at 1440p, you'll want to make sure you've got the graphics horse power to do it.

[eLucid]

Samsung S27D850T is just what you're looking for. It's a semi-matte panel btw.

 

Both dell and asus panels suffer from overshoot ghosting.

 

 

Worst 1440p monitor list can be found here http://wecravegamestoo.com/forums/monitor-reviews-discussion/15498-worst-27-monitors-2014-2560x1440-ahva-ips-pls.html

 

This guy doesn't get enough props. He does excellent monitor reviews.

[Verdinate]

Samsung S27D850T is just what you're looking for. It's a semi-matte panel btw.

 

Both dell and asus panels suffer from overshoot ghosting.

 

 

Worst 1440p monitor list can be found here http://wecravegamestoo.com/forums/monitor-reviews-discussion/15498-worst-27-monitors-2014-2560x1440-ahva-ips-pls.html

 

This guy doesn't get enough props. He does excellent monitor reviews.

 

Thanks for the answer. I can't find any documentation about this model on the Samsung website, could you link me?

 

 

I love my PB278Q by Asus but it's quite expensive for what it is. Colours look great, lots of I/O, the bezels aren't super thin but they're attractive to look at and the matte screen is lovely in my eyes. Is it perfect? no but I'm happy with the trade offs.

Note that if you plan on gaming at 1440p, you'll want to make sure you've got the graphics horse power to do it.

 

I'm going to get GTX 970 very soon as well as a new monitor so... yeah. 

[eLucid]

 

Thanks for the answer. I can't find any documentation about this model on the Samsung website, could you link me?

 

 

http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/office/monitors/led/LS27D85KTSN/ZC

[Verdinate]

http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/office/monitors/led/LS27D85KTSN/ZC

 

The Samsung UHD costs less than this one... why's that?

[eLucid]

The Samsung UHD costs less than this one... why's that?

It uses a pls panel with superior colors and viewing angels. The uhd one uses a crappy tn panel.

[Verdinate]

It uses a pls panel with superior colors and viewing angels. The uhd one uses a crappy tn panel.

 

 

I see. Do you have any other suggestions? I wouldn't mind about the stand, etc, just thin bezels in case I'd want to get another monitor next to it. And perhaps a stylish look.

[ChaosGoW]

I'm going to get GTX 970 very soon as well as a new monitor so... yeah.

A GTX 970 will do great at 1440p in a lot of games. Wont quite max out every game at that resolution but it'll still look great.

[GoodBytes]

I see. Do you have any other suggestions? I wouldn't mind about the stand, etc, just thin bezels in case I'd want to get another monitor next to it. And perhaps a stylish look.

If you want 4K (UHD), you have to wait longer than.

The best so far is the Dell UP2414Q. 24inch 4K (UHD) monitor. You have the high pixel density, and 4K. Resulting in a high-end smart phone like experience in term of icon and text sharpness and smoothness. Sadly, due to it's moment of release, it uses a multi-stream (MST) DisplayPort, and not a single stream, meaning you'll have vertical tearing in games, and that cannot be fixed, hence why it's marketed at business solution (like Dell 5K monitor), and not for home/gamer. Basically, all the monitors that uses single stream, are the new ones, like the ASUS PB287Q. But that is a TN panel.

I don't know if the suggested Samsung is MST or not.

[GoodBytes]

Well, every glossy monitor I've compared to a matte one looked better.

Which matte? TN panel matte? Low grade IPS panels? What resolution and size? Was it the same?

 

Take this as an example. I don't own any Apple computer but I was visiting their store with my cousin because he wanted to check out a few things there. I've wandered around and bumped into the 27" iMac model. The screen looked absolutely amazing, even though it was only 1440p.  When I got back home, I did a little research. Turned out they only have 109 ppi on the iMac monitor. Still, it looked very sharp. This is most likely because of the glass panel, rather than a matte glass.

Hmm not really. Beside, you want to enjoy your monitor, or do you want a mirror? Because you'll fight reflections, unless you live in a cave, or the sun light make you melt.

 

Why are glossy monitors low end? Could you explain? I really think they look much more beautiful to the eye and things look sharper.

It is because they don't need to invest in the expensive specialize anti-glare film that allows light to pass from 1 direction, but disperse it the other. Let alone apply it. They either use a textured plastic and call it a day, or don't put anything.

That is why if you look at home laptops, they are all glossy screens, as the consumer seeks the highest numbers for specs, for the lowest price. While portable workstation laptop, or high-end gaming laptop, and every business class laptop, are all non-glossy, because work (or play, in the case of the gaming laptop) is more important than saving a few bucks.

Also, because the way TN panels are made, the colors look more vivid and sharper with glossy display. They don't need to invest in a better TN panel to compensate for the anti-glare film. An issue that doesn't exists with decent and up IPS monitors.

 

Also, once again -- as stupid as it mights sound, I actually want a monitor that would look good on my screen. Honestly, the U2713HM doesn't seem like a good pick. I really like think bezels and a nice aluminium stand. Too bad that's not a standard in most monitors so I'll most likely have to compromise for something else.

So you want my screen. The Dell U2410. This 2009 monitor, 24inch 750$ true-8-bit IPS monitor.

-> The monitor features a solid and thick steal base, and arm, with a metal mechanical system. This monitor won't wobble even if you try. It's a tank. It feature an easy to use on screen menu (all newer Dell monitor has the same one), with hidden buttons, that illuminates as you bring your finger close, and unlike other touch screen monitor even today, it is actually responsive.

It is sleek, and professional looking, and include all the inputs you can possibly want: You have 2x DVI, DisplayPort, HDMI, VGA, and even component and composite. So you can hook up an old gaming console, or even a VCR on it. It features picture-in-picture, and side-by-side picture-in-picture. And includes high grade CFL back light, outputting true white. The whites are excellent, you can even use a peace of paper for reference. It's not cold white or yellow'ish white like most monitor. The monitor is 1920x1200, 16:10, and support 1:1 pixel matching.

Up to this day, the response time is still extremely competitive against TN, so they claim 1ms response time panels. Input lag is high though, but very good at the time.

The back of the monitor has no stickers, it is sleek, modern, and says professional everywhere.

It also has a cable hole, so that, in front, as you use the monitor, you see 0 cables, even at the max height. Dell seams to be one of the few manufactures doing this. The rest are more focused on good pictures on the website, but the reality is that you have a cables everywhere, and looks like crap.

Example from a picture I found on the web:

Image with a wireless keyboard and mouse. On my side it looks the same and i have connected: power (of course), DisplayPort, DVI, VGA, USB (for the powered hub), and component. Bunch of a cables, but it looks exactly like the picture above. Strange how despite all these years it seams that manufacture still have trouble with making a hole in the stand to pass the cables.

And the monitor has 0 back light bleeding (it better be for the price).

You need a time machine to get it though, or get it used or if lucky refurbished.

There is a 27inch 2560x1440 version of 30inch 2560x1600, if you wonder. The 27inch version was 1000$.

[Verdinate]

Which matte? TN panel matte? Low grade IPS panels? What resolution and size? Was it the same?

 

Hmm not really. Beside, you want to enjoy your monitor, or do you want a mirror? Because you'll fight reflections, unless you live in a cave, or the sun light make you melt.

 

It is because they don't need to invest in the expensive specialize anti-glare film that allows light to pass from 1 direction, but disperse it the other. Let alone apply it. They either use a textured plastic and call it a day, or don't put anything.

That is why if you look at home laptops, they are all glossy screens, as the consumer seeks the highest numbers for specs, for the lowest price. While portable workstation laptop, or high-end gaming laptop, and every business class laptop, are all non-glossy, because work (or play, in the case of the gaming laptop) is more important than saving a few bucks.

Also, because the way TN panels are made, the colors look more vivid and sharper with glossy display. They don't need to invest in a better TN panel to compensate for the anti-glare film. An issue that doesn't exists with decent and up IPS monitors.

 

So you want my screen. The Dell U2410. This 2009 monitor, 24inch 750$ true-8-bit IPS monitor.

-> The monitor features a solid and thick steal base, and arm, with a metal mechanical system. This monitor won't wobble even if you try. It's a tank. It feature an easy to use on screen menu (all newer Dell monitor has the same one), with hidden buttons, that illuminates as you bring your finger close, and unlike other touch screen monitor even today, it is actually responsive.

It is sleek, and professional looking, and include all the inputs you can possibly want: You have 2x DVI, DisplayPort, HDMI, VGA, and even component and composite. So you can hook up an old gaming console, or even a VCR on it. It features picture-in-picture, and side-by-side picture-in-picture. And includes high grade CFL back light, outputting true white. The whites are excellent, you can even use a peace of paper for reference. It's not cold white or yellow'ish white like most monitor. The monitor is 1920x1200, 16:10, and support 1:1 pixel matching.

Up to this day, the response time is still extremely competitive against TN, so they claim 1ms response time panels. Input lag is high though, but very good at the time.

The back of the monitor has no stickers, it is sleek, modern, and says professional everywhere.

It also has a cable hole, so that, in front, as you use the monitor, you see 0 cables, even at the max height. Dell seams to be one of the few manufactures doing this. The rest are more focused on good pictures on the website, but the reality is that you have a cables everywhere, and looks like crap.

Example from a picture I found on the web:

Image with a wireless keyboard and mouse. On my side it looks the same and i have connected: power (of course), DisplayPort, DVI, VGA, USB (for the powered hub), and component. Bunch of a cables, but it looks exactly like the picture above. Strange how despite all these years it seams that manufacture still have trouble with making a hole in the stand to pass the cables.

And the monitor has 0 back light bleeding (it better be for the price).

You need a time machine to get it though, or get it used or if lucky refurbished.

There is a 27inch 2560x1440 version of 30inch 2560x1600, if you wonder. The 27inch version was 1000$.

 

Hey.

 

Thanks for the awesome reply. I'll think I'll go for this model, but why is the 27 inch so expansive?... 

[GoodBytes]

Hey.

 

Thanks for the awesome reply. I'll think I'll go for this model, but why is the 27 inch so expansive?...

Which monitor exactly are you referring to?

[Verdinate]

Which monitor exactly are you referring to?

 

 

The 27" Dell UltraSharp.

[Verdinate]

Still looking. The U2713H looks great but comes at quite a price. The U2713HM has been told to look better than the U2713H, but I'm not sure.

[Verdinate]

Anyone?

[GoodBytes]

Sorry, I had exams and completely forgot.

The reason why the monitor is expensive are:

-> Warranty Coverage. Dell covers you for 3 years with no zones or distance crap policy if there is 6 or more dead pixel anywhere on the screen. And if you have just a single stuck or bright pixel, that is also gets you a replacement.

-> Warranty. Dells pays shipping both directions. In fact, if you ever need to send it for any reason, dell allows you to keep the monitor, while they send you a replacement one. In the box of the replacement one, you'll find a pre-paid shipping label. Just stick over the old one, swamp monitors and call the appropriate mail carrier to come and pick it up.

-> True 8-bit IPS panels cost more

-> Manufacture calibrated profile(s) cost time, labor and therefor cost

-> Larger displays cost more in shipping and warehouse storage.

-> Demand is less

-> Market price

Keep in mind that:

-> If the monitor features color processor, that costs more to implement

-> Features like picture-in-picture mode, requires more complex circuitry, and processing, so that cost more, especially if you try to have everything fast to reduce input-lag, even if you are not using such feature as it still causes input lag regardless. This applies for the previous point as well. (Slow color processors, brings high input lag, faster one reduces input lag, but cost more money).

Dell monitors often cones on specials, so you should wait for that.

If you are intrested in teh U2713HM, ASUS has a competing mode, the ASUS PB278Q, if I am not mistaken.

[Verdinate]

I might just get the PB278Q! Any finals notes? Should I really?

 

Also, should I invest more to get the PA279Q? Or heck, even the Asus ROG Swift?