Desperate Need - i7 960 and Corsair H105 High Idle 50c Temp

[itsPerfectHiT]

I'm really desperate .. and have no idea what to do .. 

Couple of days ago i Bought a H105 Corsair CPU cooler .. 
Installed it .. but i'm not sure if its working correctly or not .. 

My PC spec ..

- Asus Rampage III Extreme MB .
- Corsair 12GB memory .
- Asus GTX780 3GB OC DCUII GPU .
- i7 960 3.2GHz CPU .
- 250GB SATAII Samsung SSD .
- 2TB SATAIII Western Digital CaviarBlack HDD .
- Enermax Revolution 1250w PSU .
- Enermax SpinRex Chase .
- Corsair H105 CPU Cooler .

High Idle Temp

Alright ... before buying the Corsair My Idle CPU temp in these hot days was about 60c and between 70 - 80 in games, i wasn't so happy with that so i decided to pick a Water Cooler, and after so many reviews i found out that the H105 is Quiet with High Performance so i order it looking for lowering my CPU temp and OC my CPU a little .

After Installing the CPU cooler i was expecting some changes .. i installed a fresh windows and wanted to get some reads and i was shocked when i saw that my Idle CPU temp with H105 installed is about 50c . i mean that's not fair all the reviews on even bigger CPU's than mine saying 35 - 38 Idle temp, i have 4 friends who has Water Cooling on there CPUs and they never get above 35c Idle and 3 of them OCed their CPUs .

I took this Picture Right after i installed the Drivers while the PC is idle 

http://i.imgur.com/Y5JCvaQ.jpg

Now the weird Part .. i tried to Play MaxPayne3 and BattleField3 and the temp didnt get above 60c .. i took this picture while playing MaxPayne3

http://i.imgur.com/1Uj21gH.png

 

While Prime is Running small FTT

 

http://i.imgur.com/uYYqpKj.jpg

 

 

I re-installed the Cooler 3 times .. re-applied the thermal past correctly .. but still no luck, i really dont know what else i can do 

i hope you guys can help me out

Thanks alot .

[JoaoPRSousa]

Airflow issues on the room, not case? Maybe new thermal paste? IDK

[Fulgrim]

You tried using another monitoring program, like RealTemp since you've got an Intel chip?

[grimmjow660]

What are those little meter gadgets you have?

[itsPerfectHiT]

Airflow issues on the room, not case? Maybe new thermal paste? IDK

 

i'm not sure how is it possible to have Airflow issues in the room but i'm sure there is none in the chase, and yes i've changed the thermal past several times .

 

 

You tried using another monitoring program, like RealTemp since you've got an Intel chip?

 

Yes, ive tried RealTemp, SpeedFan, HWMonitor, and i got some reads from the bios . All same reads .

 

 

What are those little meter gadgets you have?

 

i use these gadgets :

 

All CPU Meter V3.0

Network Meter V6.2

GPU Monitor V2.4

[Leonard]

I'm really desperate .. and have no idea what to do .. 

Couple of days ago i Bought a H105 Corsair CPU cooler .. 

Installed it .. but i'm not sure if its working correctly or not .. 

My PC spec ..

- Asus Rampage III Extreme MB .

- Corsair 12GB memory .

- Asus GTX780 3GB OC DCUII GPU .

- i7 960 3.2GHz CPU .

- 250GB SATAII Samsung SSD .

- 2TB SATAIII Western Digital CaviarBlack HDD .

- Enermax Revolution 1250w PSU .

- Enermax SpinRex Chase .

- Corsair H105 CPU Cooler .

High Idle Temp

Alright ... before buying the Corsair My Idle CPU temp in these hot days was about 60c and between 70 - 80 in games, i wasn't so happy with that so i decided to pick a Water Cooler, and after so many reviews i found out that the H105 is Quiet with High Performance so i order it looking for lowering my CPU temp and OC my CPU a little .

After Installing the CPU cooler i was expecting some changes .. i installed a fresh windows and wanted to get some reads and i was shocked when i saw that my Idle CPU temp with H105 installed is about 50c . i mean that's not fair all the reviews on even bigger CPU's than mine saying 35 - 38 Idle temp, i have 4 friends who has Water Cooling on there CPUs and they never get above 35c Idle and 3 of them OCed their CPUs .

I took this Picture Right after i installed the Drivers while the PC is idle 

http://i.imgur.com/Y5JCvaQ.jpg

Now the weird Part .. i tried to Play MaxPayne3 and BattleField3 and the temp didnt get above 60c .. i took this picture while playing MaxPayne3

http://i.imgur.com/1Uj21gH.png

 

While Prime is Running small FTT

 

http://i.imgur.com/uYYqpKj.jpg

 

 

I re-installed the Cooler 3 times .. re-applied the thermal past correctly .. but still no luck, i really dont know what else i can do 

i hope you guys can help me out

Thanks alot .

All the software you are using to monitor your system is fine, i feel you have not installed the cooler properly or the pump is not working properly. Did you remember to remove the thin plastic covering off of the h105's cold plate?

[itsPerfectHiT]

All the software you are using to monitor your system is fine, i feel you have not installed the cooler properly or the pump is not working properly. Did you remember to remove the thin plastic covering off of the h105's cold plate?

 

 

yup ofcource i removed the plastic cover, how can we tell if the pump working correctly or not ?

[-rascal-]

If what HWMonitor is saying is true about your ambient temperature of 37*C / 36*C, then it makes sense.

You can't have temperatures lower than the temperature of your ambient / room -- unless you are using other forms of cooling (i.e. sub-zero) -- otherwise you are going against the very laws of physics / science.

 

37*C ambient with 48*C during CPU idle (difference) of 11*C or so is normal.

For comparison, my room temperature is around 23/24*C, and as I'm typing this, my CPU is sitting at 35*C.

 

Load temperatures looks pretty good. I don't see anything wrong there.

 

The i7-960 is much older, larger, power-hungry chip (45nm, 130W TDP). If your friends are using the new Intel chips, their temperatures will be lower.

The overall temperature will be affected by the airflow within your system, and the components used (i.e. graphics cards, type of fans used, etc).

 

Oh, is your H105's fans being configured as pushing air through and out of your case, or into your case?

If you have it blowing the warm air into you case....then you are increasing the overall system temperature by blowing the heat back into your PC.

[YoyiSkill]

Try cable managing and putting more fans.... Its all about he airflow

[itsPerfectHiT]

If what HWMonitor is saying is true about your ambient temperature of 37*C / 36*C, then it makes sense.

You can't have temperatures lower than the temperature of your ambient / room -- unless you are using other forms of cooling (i.e. sub-zero) -- otherwise you are going against the very laws of physics / science.

 

37*C ambient with 48*C during CPU idle (difference) of 11*C or so is normal.

For comparison, my room temperature is around 23/24*C, and as I'm typing this, my CPU is sitting at 35*C.

 

Load temperatures looks pretty good. I don't see anything wrong there.

 

The i7-960 is much older, larger, power-hungry chip (45nm, 130W TDP). If your friends are using the new Intel chips, their temperatures will be lower.

The overall temperature will be affected by the airflow within your system, and the components used (i.e. graphics cards, type of fans used, etc).

 

Oh, is your H105's fans being configured as pushing air through and out of your case, or into your case?

If you have it blowing the warm air into you case....then you are increasing the overall system temperature by blowing the heat back into your PC.

 

 

well Mr. rascal .. 

at high school i failed physics .. and no it seems like physics failed me

if what you are saying is true ( and i believe it is because its really make sense ) then i just wasted 200$ on a cooler than isn't cooling,

i tried to OC to 3.85 and my idle was 65c which is too much i think .

 

https://i.imgur.com/pwp2BS6.jpg

 

there is no room for the fans to be under the radiator so i installed em on the chase above the rad and they are taking Air out .

i was thinking this is the problem so i held 2 fans under the rad for 15 minutes but the temp didn't drop at all .

Thank you sir for your help .. 

now at least i'll stop worrying and ill learn to live with it .

 

 

Try cable managing and putting more fans.... Its all about he airflow 

 

 

i have this chase .. Enermax SpineRex

i believe it has a good Airflow ..

ill add another 2 fans in the front and ill check if that helps .

thanks buddy .

[runit3]

It looks like all of your fans and pump are running at their appropriate RPM. You could try running the H105 in push/pull by adding 2 more fans. Uploading a picture of the inside of your case would also help in figuring out exactly what is going wrong if you're sure the block is mounted correctly.

[itsPerfectHiT]

It looks like all of your fans and pump are running at their appropriate RPM. You could try running the H105 in push/pull by adding 2 more fans. Uploading a picture of the inside of your case would also help in figuring out exactly what is going wrong if you're sure the block is mounted correctly.

 

https://i.imgur.com/pwp2BS6.jpg 

let me know if you need more pictures from another angle .

[runit3]

https://i.imgur.com/pwp2BS6.jpg

let me know if you need more pictures from another angle .

First thing I would do is move your rad fans to the opposite side so that they are pulling air through the rad rather than pushing it. The kit should have come with some shorty bolts so that you can mount the rad directly to the case.

[itsPerfectHiT]

First thing I would do is move your rad fans to the opposite side so that they are pulling air through the rad rather than pushing it. The kit should have come with some shorty bolts so that you can mount the rad directly to the case.

 

there is no room for the fans to be under the radiator so i installed em on the chase above the rad and they are taking Air out .

i was thinking this is the problem so i held 2 fans under the rad for 15 minutes but the temp didn't drop at all .

the rad is almost not worm .. the tubes are cool in general they are a little warm at the pump side .

[jamesisninja]

Not much you can do if your ambient are high, expect ~10C more then ambient temp. As long as you don't break ~85 under full load it isn't a huge concern, since you won't throttle till 100C 

[runit3]

there is no room for the fans to be under the radiator so i installed em on the chase above the rad and they are taking Air out .

i was thinking this is the problem so i held 2 fans under the rad for 15 minutes but the temp didn't drop at all .

the rad is almost not worm .. the tubes are cool in general they are a little warm at the pump side .

edit**derped hard**

Holding the fans is not sufficient, they need to be firmly mounted to the rad to minimize any turbulence they may be throwing off of the rad rather than through it (in the current push config, in pull they would be pulling air from around the rad rather than through).

It looks like you could squeeze the fans in there from the picture, although you may have to remove the heatsinks on the RAM.

You could also try front mounting the rad, enermax's site lists it as having x2 120mm fans, may have to remove some drive bays.

[Peopie]

I think -rascal- is correct. If your ambients are around 37C, then its reasonable to have 48C, along with the fact that your processor is old. But just to make sure, what region of the world do you live in?

 

The cooler is definitely making some contact and cooling your processor though, because you are still able to boot up and have acceptable temperatures. Speaking of which, its perfectly fine to have your cpu at 50C, or probably even up to 70C.

[itsPerfectHiT]

Not much you can do if your ambient are high, expect ~10C more then ambient temp. As long as you don't break ~85 under full load it isn't a huge concern, since you won't throttle till 100C 

 

well i bought the cooler to do some OC .. i feel like i just waster 200$ on something useless .. 

when i OC my CPU to 3.85 GHz my Idle goes to 60 - 65c .. which is too much i believe .

anyway thank you for you help mate .

 

 

edit**derped hard**

Holding the fans is not sufficient, they need to be firmly mounted to the rad to minimize any turbulence they may be throwing off of the rad rather than through it (in the current push config, in pull they would be pulling air from around the rad rather than through).

It looks like you could squeeze the fans in there from the picture, although you may have to remove the heatsinks on the RAM.

You could also try front mounting the rad, enermax's site lists it as having x2 120mm fans, may have to remove some drive bays.

 

ill try to install it on the front but i think thats going to end up destroying the case its fine i'm sick of it anyways .

anyway thank you so much for all the help .. 

 

 

I think -rascal- is correct. If your ambients are around 37C, then its reasonable to have 48C, along with the fact that your processor is old. But just to make sure, what region of the world do you live in?

 

The cooler is definitely making some contact and cooling your processor though, because you are still able to boot up and have acceptable temperatures. Speaking of which, its perfectly fine to have your cpu at 50C, or probably even up to 70C.

 

if its that way then there is nothing to do .. i'm living in the West bank - Palestine in a city called Tulkarm its freaking hot here but a week ago its getting cold at night, as what i said before i bought the Cooler hoping to be able to OC my CPU to 4000GHz .. but when i tried to OC it to 3.85 . the temp went from 50c to 60 - 65 Idle .. . 

 

 

Thank you guys, all of you for your help ..

I appreciate it .

[XzzDSA]

It was not a waste...
You proved it yourself.. You've got a lot more stable temps under load than you did with your old cooler, right? Right there is proof of the cooler working as advertised.
Also, what cooler are you upgrading from? Seems like the kind of temps a regular intel cooler will not even be able to pass on.
Many of the high-end air-coolers are very very efficient, and some of them touch on these dual-rads terretory, which may be why you don't see "much" of an improvement.

As have been mentioned before, ambient temps are the key, much less than the cooler itself (when not using stock ofc.). So if you really want nice temps, do whatever you can to your room temptures.
As you mention, your buddies are able to achieve nice temps in the same environment right? - Then you will be able to too...

But man, stop worrying too much about your idles.. As long as you have stable temps under load - man you're golden.
The 65 idle is on the high side for an idle but it proberly wouldn't be any different from stock clock with an intel cooler.

Just remember, especially when looking at temps - everything is relative.


If you really are concerned about your idle temps - back off voltage as much as you can before getting unstable (as you should always do). And settle on an idle you feel more comfortable with.. As long as you can keep your cpu under or around 85-90 when REAALLY pushing it with prime95, then it's np.

[itsPerfectHiT]

It was not a waste...

You proved it yourself.. You've got a lot more stable temps under load than you did with your old cooler, right? Right there is proof of the cooler working as advertised.

Also, what cooler are you upgrading from? Seems like the kind of temps a regular intel cooler will not even be able to pass on.

Many of the high-end air-coolers are very very efficient, and some of them touch on these dual-rads terretory, which may be why you don't see "much" of an improvement.

As have been mentioned before, ambient temps are the key, much less than the cooler itself (when not using stock ofc.). So if you really want nice temps, do whatever you can to your room temptures.

As you mention, your buddies are able to achieve nice temps in the same environment right? - Then you will be able to too...

But man, stop worrying too much about your idles.. As long as you have stable temps under load - man you're golden.

The 65 idle is on the high side for an idle but it proberly wouldn't be any different from stock clock with an intel cooler.

Just remember, especially when looking at temps - everything is relative.

If you really are concerned about your idle temps - back off voltage as much as you can before getting unstable (as you should always do). And settle on an idle you feel more comfortable with.. As long as you can keep your cpu under or around 85-90 when REAALLY pushing it with prime95, then it's np.

 

thank you for replying .. 

ill take your advice and forget about the idle temp .. and i really cant do anything about the ambient temps except Air Conditioning which i really cant afford right now .. 

anyway thank you sir and yeah thinking about it again its wasn't a waste of money i was just mad about the idle temps

thank you again sir,