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#1 TheDigitalRealm

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 03:40 PM

I'm building a new rig (my first) this summer for gaming and doing some overclocking. I was going to buy Haswell until I saw how bad it's thermal performance was. There are a lot of 3770k's going cheap on ebay at the moment, even new ones. What should I do? Are the new motherboards too good to miss?

 

1. Get a new Haswell 4770k for £300 (and possibly delid it which I feel uncomfortable with) 

2. Get a N.I.B Ivy Bridge 3770K for £210 and sacrifice having the newer 1150 mobo features?


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Posted 01 June 2013 - 03:44 PM

3770k and a decent Z77 as they're cheap as balls right now.


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Posted 01 June 2013 - 03:46 PM

If you can get a 3770k and mobo for cheap then go that way. I know that they are close to the same price in the uk atm.

I would not go second hand on any components personally, just due to lack of warranty.


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Posted 01 June 2013 - 03:46 PM

Will I be missing out on any good features for the new Z87 motherboards?


<p>CPU: i7 3770K @ 4.9 GHz | Motherboard: ASUS Z77 Sabertooth | RAM: 16GB Corsair Dominator Platinum @ 1866 MHz | GPU: 2x MSI R9 290X Lightning CF | SSD: Samsung 840 250GB | HDD: 1TB WD Caviar Black | PSU: Seasonic X-1250 | Case: Phanteks Enthoo Primo - White | Fans: Corsair: 8x Swiftech Helix 120mm 1x AF140 2x Phanteks 140mm LED | Cooling: 2x UT60 480mm radiators, EK Supremacy CPU W/B, EK 290X L W/B | Monitor: Dell Ultrasharp U2312hm | Keyboard: Tt esports Knucker Gaming Plunger switch | Mouse: Corsair M65 gaming mouse | Headphones: Sennheiser HD 595's | Microphone: Snowball by Blue Microphones 


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Posted 01 June 2013 - 03:48 PM

Go for haswell if you have the money but z77 is very good all so you wont be missing out on that many features

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 03:49 PM

If you can get a 3770k and mobo for cheap then go that way. I know that they are close to the same price in the uk atm.

I would not go second hand on any components personally, just due to lack of warranty.

I know, there are some used 3770k's for as low as £175, but I thought it would probably be better to go for a new £210 one. there's a £90 price difference.


<p>CPU: i7 3770K @ 4.9 GHz | Motherboard: ASUS Z77 Sabertooth | RAM: 16GB Corsair Dominator Platinum @ 1866 MHz | GPU: 2x MSI R9 290X Lightning CF | SSD: Samsung 840 250GB | HDD: 1TB WD Caviar Black | PSU: Seasonic X-1250 | Case: Phanteks Enthoo Primo - White | Fans: Corsair: 8x Swiftech Helix 120mm 1x AF140 2x Phanteks 140mm LED | Cooling: 2x UT60 480mm radiators, EK Supremacy CPU W/B, EK 290X L W/B | Monitor: Dell Ultrasharp U2312hm | Keyboard: Tt esports Knucker Gaming Plunger switch | Mouse: Corsair M65 gaming mouse | Headphones: Sennheiser HD 595's | Microphone: Snowball by Blue Microphones 


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Posted 01 June 2013 - 03:51 PM

Go for haswell if you have the money but z77 is very good all so you wont be missing out on that many features

Really? I wont be able to overclock it past 4.6Ghz which is really a lot lower than I normally like to OC for others.


<p>CPU: i7 3770K @ 4.9 GHz | Motherboard: ASUS Z77 Sabertooth | RAM: 16GB Corsair Dominator Platinum @ 1866 MHz | GPU: 2x MSI R9 290X Lightning CF | SSD: Samsung 840 250GB | HDD: 1TB WD Caviar Black | PSU: Seasonic X-1250 | Case: Phanteks Enthoo Primo - White | Fans: Corsair: 8x Swiftech Helix 120mm 1x AF140 2x Phanteks 140mm LED | Cooling: 2x UT60 480mm radiators, EK Supremacy CPU W/B, EK 290X L W/B | Monitor: Dell Ultrasharp U2312hm | Keyboard: Tt esports Knucker Gaming Plunger switch | Mouse: Corsair M65 gaming mouse | Headphones: Sennheiser HD 595's | Microphone: Snowball by Blue Microphones 


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Posted 01 June 2013 - 03:51 PM

where the hell is a 3770k 210$?!



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Posted 01 June 2013 - 03:56 PM

Really? I wont be able to overclock it past 4.6Ghz which is really a lot lower than I normally like to OC for others.


4.6 ghz are you using a custom watercooling loop

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 03:58 PM

4.6 ghz are you using a custom watercooling loop

For a 4.6Ghz overclock, I know for a fact that an AIO watercooling loop is enough for the Sandy and Ivy Bridge i7's. for Haswell, I'd feel comfortable with a 4.4ghz OC on an AIO set up.


<p>CPU: i7 3770K @ 4.9 GHz | Motherboard: ASUS Z77 Sabertooth | RAM: 16GB Corsair Dominator Platinum @ 1866 MHz | GPU: 2x MSI R9 290X Lightning CF | SSD: Samsung 840 250GB | HDD: 1TB WD Caviar Black | PSU: Seasonic X-1250 | Case: Phanteks Enthoo Primo - White | Fans: Corsair: 8x Swiftech Helix 120mm 1x AF140 2x Phanteks 140mm LED | Cooling: 2x UT60 480mm radiators, EK Supremacy CPU W/B, EK 290X L W/B | Monitor: Dell Ultrasharp U2312hm | Keyboard: Tt esports Knucker Gaming Plunger switch | Mouse: Corsair M65 gaming mouse | Headphones: Sennheiser HD 595's | Microphone: Snowball by Blue Microphones 


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Posted 01 June 2013 - 03:59 PM

where the hell is a 3770k 210$?!

This is in the U.K unfortunately. £210 (pounds) not dollars. 


<p>CPU: i7 3770K @ 4.9 GHz | Motherboard: ASUS Z77 Sabertooth | RAM: 16GB Corsair Dominator Platinum @ 1866 MHz | GPU: 2x MSI R9 290X Lightning CF | SSD: Samsung 840 250GB | HDD: 1TB WD Caviar Black | PSU: Seasonic X-1250 | Case: Phanteks Enthoo Primo - White | Fans: Corsair: 8x Swiftech Helix 120mm 1x AF140 2x Phanteks 140mm LED | Cooling: 2x UT60 480mm radiators, EK Supremacy CPU W/B, EK 290X L W/B | Monitor: Dell Ultrasharp U2312hm | Keyboard: Tt esports Knucker Gaming Plunger switch | Mouse: Corsair M65 gaming mouse | Headphones: Sennheiser HD 595's | Microphone: Snowball by Blue Microphones 


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Posted 01 June 2013 - 03:59 PM

I'm I the same position as you. I'd still go with haswell. I didn't think the temps were that different to be honest. I may be wrong but ill take a couple hundred MHz lower OC to be on the latest chipset.

I wouldn't upgrade from Ivy Bridge or maybe even Sandy Bridge, I'm coming from a mid range first gen i7 OEM computer.
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Posted 01 June 2013 - 04:02 PM

This is in the U.K unfortunately. £210 (pounds) not dollars. 

oh damn...lol its still like what 275usd:? :/ heh 

 

I'm I the same position as you. I'd still go with haswell. I didn't think the temps were that different to be honest. I may be wrong but ill take a couple hundred MHz lower OC to be on the latest chipset.

I wouldn't upgrade from Ivy Bridge or maybe even Sandy Bridge, I'm coming from a mid range first gen i7 OEM computer.

 

but why would it have higher temps since it has a lower tdp? Oo less surface area to dissipate the heat or sumn? ? irdk lol...



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Posted 01 June 2013 - 04:04 PM

Take it as a reminder that Haswell will apparently be better for OC
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Posted 01 June 2013 - 04:04 PM

For a 4.6Ghz overclock, I know for a fact that an AIO watercooling loop is enough for the Sandy and Ivy Bridge i7's. for Haswell, I'd feel comfortable with a 4.4ghz OC on an AIO set up.


Then go with haswell if your think it would be better for you :)

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 04:05 PM

Budget is more of a concern for me unfortunately. Here are my options:

 

1. Go for Ivy Bridge 3770k and a Maximus V Extreme for £435 

2. Get the Haswell 4770k and a mid-range MSI GD65 Gaming Ed for £450

 

So, Newer processor with mid-range Motherboard or last gen processor with highest-end motherboard?


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Posted 01 June 2013 - 04:07 PM

oh damn...lol its still like what 275usd:? :/ heh 
 

 
but why would it have higher temps since it has a lower tdp? Oo less surface area to dissipate the heat or sumn? ? irdk lol...


I didn't know haswell has higher temps to be honest.
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Posted 01 June 2013 - 04:10 PM

Budget is more of a concern for me unfortunately. Here are my options:

1. Go for Ivy Bridge 3770k and a Maximus V Extreme for £435
2. Get the Haswell 4770k and a mid-range MSI GD65 Gaming Ed for £450

So, Newer processor with mid-range Motherboard or last gen processor with highest-end motherboard?


Well you should go with number 1 because as far as I know there's not a lot of difference between 3rd and 4th generation and 3770k is still quite powerful
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Posted 01 June 2013 - 04:10 PM

Check out bit-tech's review: http://www.bit-tech....0k-cpu-review/8

 

"From here, though, the temperatures increased rapidly and we reached our limit of 4.7GHz using 1.257V and a scorching temperature of 98°C, and that's using a Corsair H100i, which we know to offer the best cooling short of a custom water-cooling kit."


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Posted 01 June 2013 - 04:13 PM

oh damn...lol its still like what 275usd:? :/ heh 

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Try more like 320usd at the current exchange rate.


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