Nvidia's Attempt to Manipulate the GTX 980 Figures to Deceive the Press Worked !

[Katness Everdeen]

.http://www.anandtech.com/show/8526/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-review/23

the power efficiency gains are truly remarkable. With a TDP lower than even GTX 680, this is the lowest power consumption has been for a chart-topping card since 9800 GTX over half a decade ago. It’s really a bit of a honeymoon period since if and when NVIDIA does Big Maxwell one has to expect power consumption will go back up, but for the time being it’s very pleasing to be able to get chart-topping performance inside of 165W

Again to everyone that bought the "TDP is not power consumption" argument. Well obviously the press and Nvidia disagree with you and even Anandtech's editor fell for it even though his own test results clearly dispute this.

 

 

So according to Ryan Smith the GTX 980 consumes less power than the 680... that's what he said in his conclusion, completely ignoring the test that he has done and relying on Nvidia's manipulated TDP figures.

I mean I don't see how else to say this, but Nvidia fooled everyone it seems.

[79wjd]

 

[Nineshadow]

You're posting this again?

And how the hell does a 780Ti consume more power than an r9 290x?

And that graph shows TOTAL POWER CONSUMPTION for the entire rig!Jeez.

Now,look at this graph : 

[Phllips]

how is a 290 consuming more power than a 290x

[ForeseenVisionz]

its says total system power consumption at the top of anandtechs chart so maybe thats it?

[Katness Everdeen]

You're posting this again?

And how the hell does a 780Ti consume more power than an r9 290x?

And that graph shows TOTAL POWER CONSUMPTION for the entire rig!

Total power consumption of the system doesn't go UP with a 980 compared to a 680 if the 980 consumes less power.

 

its says total system power consumption at the top of anandtechs chart so maybe thats it?

Logically, total power consumption should go DOWN if you replace a 680 with a 980 by 30W according to Nvidia's official power figures.

[Nineshadow]

Total power consumption of the system doesn't go UP with a 980 compared to a 680 if the 980 consumes less power.

Check my post...

980 vs 680

294W vs 325W

 

???

 

30 Watt difference.

 

Logically, total power consumption should go DOWN if you replace a 680 with a 980 by 30W according to Nvidia's official power figures.

 

[TERAFLOP]

Like I said before don't bother... Nvidia can lie all they want if they have followers who are blinded to have you convinced that power isn't power consumption but actually something else. And performance/watt isn't a measure of power efficiency no it's actually a measure of performance/heat. Whatever that is...

[Phllips]

@Nineshadow how does a 290x consume less than a 290

[Katness Everdeen]

You're posting this again?

And how the hell does a 780Ti consume more power than an r9 290x?

And that graph shows TOTAL POWER CONSUMPTION for the entire rig!Jeez.

Now,look at this graph : 

 

 

 

Check my post...

 

980 vs 680

294W vs 325W

 

???

 

30 Watt difference.

That's furmark. A synthetic test not a real world scenario. The card is artificially throttling by 200mhz. Look at the frequency.

 

And since when does a card consume less power in furmark than in ACTUAL games ? Again the card is being artificially limited in furmark knowing that the press use it to measure power consumption even though NOBODY plays furmark because it's not a game.

[Nineshadow]

-/-

 

Quote from Anandtech :

"Our first load power test is our gaming test, with Crysis 3. Because we measure from the wall, this test means we’re seeing GPU power consumption as well as CPU power consumption, which means high performance cards will drive up the system power consumption numbers merely by giving the CPU more work to do. This is exactly what happens in the case of the GTX 980; at 304W it’s between the GK104 based GTX 680 and GTX 770, however it’s also delivering 30% better framerates. Accordingly the power consumption of the GTX 980 itself should be lower than either card, but we would not see it in a system power measurement."

What's so hard to understand...

 

Oh,and Furmark only stresses your GPU,not your CPU,so it should show closer to what your GPU is actually using.That's why it consumes less power...

[MetroP]

@Nineshadow how does a 290x consume less than a 290

290X in quiet mode runs at a lower voltage than a 290.

[FroggyTaco]

how is a 290 consuming more power than a 290x

Reference 290X vs Aftermarket 290 with higher clocks & voltages?

[monstercameron]

lol give it a rest and enjoy the cool new tech they released.

[TERAFLOP]

Quote from Anandtech :

"Our first load power test is our gaming test, with Crysis 3. Because we measure from the wall, this test means we’re seeing GPU power consumption as well as CPU power consumption, which means high performance cards will drive up the system power consumption numbers merely by giving the CPU more work to do. This is exactly what happens in the case of the GTX 980; at 304W it’s between the GK104 based GTX 680 and GTX 770, however it’s also delivering 30% better framerates. Accordingly the power consumption of the GTX 980 itself should be lower than either card, but we would not see it in a system power measurement."

What's so hard to understand...

You have to prove that theory otherwise it remains a theory. Also a CPU wouldn't just magicially run out of spec just because you installed a faster GPU.

Tomshardware does very comprehensive GPU ONLY power consumption measurements. But the review isn't up yet, will post here once it is.

[Nineshadow]

40% less power than a 780Ti,and you're still not getting it.

[Bsmith]

well in the graph of @Katness Everdeen the amount lies within the zone of allowed error when confirmed to the 680, every chip/card is a little bit diffrent.

But i gues Nvidea was talking about idle power consumtion, not full load.

[LukeTim]

.http://www.anandtech.com/show/8526/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-review/23

Again to everyone that bought the "TDP is not power consumption" argument. Well obviously the press and Nvidia disagree with you and even Anandtech's editor fell for it even though his own test results clearly dispute this.

 

 

So according to Ryan Smith the GTX 980 consumes less power than the 680... that's what he said in his conclusion, completely ignoring the test that he has done and relying on Nvidia's manipulated TDP figures.

I mean I don't see how else to say this, but Nvidia fooled everyone it seems.

 

But TDP is more of an indication of power efficiency than actual power draw... so the fact that the GTX 980 actually drew more power than the GTX 680 does not mean that Nvidia lied about the TDP...

Also, the fact that the GTX 980 performs so close to a GTX 780 Ti whilst maintaining a power draw that is so close to the GTX 680 is a feat that is well worth the praise that Anandtech have given it.

[BookerDeWitt]

No way does the 970 have a 145W TDP or a 165W TDP for the 980. They're pushing past the 250W 7970 Ghz.
http://www.techspot.com/review/885-nvidia-geforce-gtx-970-gtx-980/page7.html

[Texhnlyze]

I'm just here for laughs. Keep it up people!  :lol:

[helping]

this thread is like watching a semi collision in slow motion

[Faa]

Teraflop, Milkywhite, Katness everdeen are just die-hard AMD fanboys being on road for conspiracy theories, they're waiting for Logan to fabricate some 8350 vs 5960x benchmarks.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2014/09/19/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-review/11



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[LAwLz]

Come on... People already explained to you why you were wrong in the previous thread and it was locked. I am not sure if you're reading the graphs the wrong way on purpose or if you don't know any better, but you are wrong. TDP and power consumption are two different things.

Defend AMD if you want, or hate on Nvidia if you want. There are legitimate reasons to do both, but this is not one of them. You are reading the graphs the wrong way.

[LukaP]

Come on... People already explained to you why you were wrong in the previous thread and it was locked. I am not sure if you're reading the graphs the wrong way on purpose or if you don't know any better, but you are wrong. TDP and power consumption are two different things.

Defend AMD if you want, or hate on Nvidia if you want. There are legitimate reasons to do both, but this is not one of them. You are reading the graphs the wrong way.

dont even try... it doesnt work with trolls and idiots

[daemonowner]

@BookerDeWitt

System Power Consumption. And TDP =/= Power Consumption.

 

Also a CPU wouldn't just magicially run out of spec just because you installed a faster GPU.

We're not saying it's magically running out of spec you tool. We're saying it is less limited by the GPU. A high end CPU bottlenecked by a piece of shit GPU won't use as much power as it would with a high end GPU. It's not 'magically running below spec' just because it's bottlenecked by a low end GPU.

 

Tomshardware does very comprehensive GPU ONLY power consumption measurements. But the review isn't up yet, will post here once it is.

Well that's not very relevant yet is it? It's almost like you know it will support your view. Because to conspiracy theorists like you, the evidence always supports your conclusion. Even when it doesn't.

 

General rule. People who talk about idiots blindly following one view of things are usually blindly following a conflicting view of things.

 

Oh, and

You have to prove that theory otherwise it remains a theory.

Fuck you.

 

And before you all think I'm an Nvidia fanboy, I have an R9 280X. No allegiance to Nvidia. I don't even particularly like the colour green.