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Do you guys really see the difference between these two?

(how about 5ms vs 1ms response time?)

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I can notice a difference, but it seems like 90fps is the point of diminishing returns... For my eyes at least.

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Yes, there's a big difference between 144hz and 60hz.

Not so much between 5ms and 1ms though. But if you're a competitive gamer then you might want that 1ms response time (most people don't need that 1ms response time).

I actually couldn't underclock my 5 year old GPU to make it as slow as a next-gen console.

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I can notice a difference, but it seems like 90fps is the point of diminishing returns... For my eyes at least.

 

Yes, there's a big difference between 144hz and 60hz.

Not so much between 5ms and 1ms though. But if you're a competitive gamer then you might want that 1ms response time (most people don't need that 1ms response time).

Hmmm then should i wait for the freesync technology to be implemented? (or can my r9 290x run gsync?) Because i stumbled upon this slick monitor! http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B2HH7G0/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00B2HH7G0&linkCode=as2&tag=jayz05-20&linkId=3A6X5TYFLCLQFA6D

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Hmmm then should i wait for the freesync technology to be implemented? (or can my r9 290x run gsync?) Because i stumbled upon this slick monitor! http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B2HH7G0/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00B2HH7G0&linkCode=as2&tag=jayz05-20&linkId=3A6X5TYFLCLQFA6D

Your AMD card cannot run G-Sync because that is a NVIDIA technology. It really depends on your preferences - if you really want freesync, then wait for it. If it doesn't make that big of a deal to you, then you can get a monitor now. Personally I don't have either freesync or G-Sync so I can't say much about it, but according to Linus, once you experience it, there's no going back.

Also if you're going to get that monitor, I'd recommend getting an IPS monitor because the colours are much more vivid and deep-looking. The refresh rates and response times might be a bit lower, but the monitor looks a lot better. This would be my personal preference though, but I still highly recommend getting an IPS monitor.

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Your AMD card cannot run G-Sync because that is a NVIDIA technology. It really depends on your preferences - if you really want freesync, then wait for it. If it doesn't make that big of a deal to you, then you can get a monitor now. Personally I don't have either freesync or G-Sync so I can't say much about it, but according to Linus, once you experience it, there's no going back.

Also if you're going to get that monitor, I'd recommend getting an IPS monitor because the colours are much more vivid and deep-looking. The refresh rates and response times might be a bit lower, but the monitor looks a lot better. This would be my personal preference though, but I still highly recommend getting an IPS monitor.

Ah damm but freesync works on nvidia cards also right? D: What is ips.... lol....

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Ah damm but freesync works on nvidia cards also right? D: What is ips.... lol....

Freesync is AMD technology, G-Sync is NVIDIA technology. They're not interchangeable.

IPS is just a type of monitor. You can google it and look at some videos on YouTube if you want to learn more, but basically all you should know is that IPS monitors look awesome.

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I don't wanna judge anyone but, if you have played a game (preferably FPS) in both 60hz and 120/144hz monitors, dude, there's a huge difference.

 

Just because the eye can't see more than 60Hz or because the GPU can't handle 120/144 Frames Per Second, it doesn't mean you can't notice it.

 

However, this is really subjective and depends on each one's eyes so... for me, it's amazing. Saving money for a 1440p 120/144Hz monitor already becase it's so much smoother, it's really hard to explain, you gotta feel it for yourself and find out if your eyes are screwed up of if you can actually notice how better it is...

 

Again, not saying that people who think it's not better/much difference are wrong, I just think that the best way to answer this question is: It depends on your eyes/genetics/DNA/God/whatever.

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I don't wanna judge anyone but, if you have played a game (preferably FPS) in both 60hz and 120/144hz monitors, dude, there's a huge difference.

 

Just because the eye can't see more than 60Hz or because the GPU can't handle 120/144 Frames Per Second, it doesn't mean you can't notice it.

 

However, this is really subjective and depends on each one's eyes so... for me, it's amazing. Saving money for a 1440p 120/144Hz monitor already becase it's so much smoother, it's really hard to explain, you gotta feel it for yourself and find out if your eyes are screwed up of if you can actually notice how better it is...

 

Again, not saying that people who think it's not better/much difference are wrong, I just think that the best way to answer this question is: It depends on your eyes/genetics/DNA/God/whatever.

So it is a worthy upgrade from a 60hz monitor right? (Idk whether my specs are able to fully utilise the 144hz tho.... D: on bf4 that is)

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Freesync is AMD technology, G-Sync is NVIDIA technology. They're not interchangeable.

IPS is just a type of monitor. You can google it and look at some videos on YouTube if you want to learn more, but basically all you should know is that IPS monitors look awesome.

Ah thank you :)

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Hmmm then should i wait for the freesync technology to be implemented? (or can my r9 290x run gsync?) Because i stumbled upon this slick monitor! http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B2HH7G0/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00B2HH7G0&linkCode=as2&tag=jayz05-20&linkId=3A6X5TYFLCLQFA6D

That monitor is only G-sync capable if you mod in a G-sync module (which is like $200).

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That monitor is only G-sync capable if you mod in a G-sync module (which is like $200).

Guess i'll wait for free sync then :)

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All i'm going to say is web browsing at 144hz is a life changing experience, let alone gaming

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(how about 5ms vs 1ms response time?)

 

Response time =/= input lag. Lower response time = less motion blur though

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All i'm going to say is web browsing at 144hz is a life changing experience, let alone gaming

 

Response time =/= input lag. Lower response time = less motion blur though

Any good budget monitors to recommend then? :D

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Any good budget monitors to recommend then? :D

Jayztwocents did a video on a 144hz asus monitor that was sub $300 dollars, which is cheap for 144hz. I use a benq xl2420, though, which isn't particularly cheap

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Any good budget monitors to recommend then? :D

 

If you're just using it to hold text, then does it really matter. That's what I'm saying. Both options you presented... for gaming... are only going to work with one monitor.

 

If you need more monitors, for productivity, if it's just to hold text, any cheap-ish IPS display will be fine. Since those monitors are on the outside, then I have to stress the fact that they should be IPS

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So it is a worthy upgrade from a 60hz monitor right? (Idk whether my specs are able to fully utilise the 144hz tho.... D: on bf4 that is)

 

As I tried to say, it depends on your perception, your eyes, something like that.

 

For gaming, mostly FPS games, the difference is huge IMO. Even if your card doesn't run the game at 120/144 FPS, the monitor's high refresh rate will make things smoother. I can't really say why it happens scientifically but it just does.

 

I would either try to use a monitor like that before buying one and, if you can't, wait until 1440p 120/144hz monitors are out so you just don't get only a better refresh rate monitor, but also one with an amazing resolution.

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Hmmm then should i wait for the freesync technology to be implemented? (or can my r9 290x run gsync?) Because i stumbled upon this slick monitor!

290x Can't run Gsync or Free Sync; Only Nvidia 600series or newer runs Gsync (and only with select Gsync monitors)and so far only R9 285 can run FreeSync and monitors that are compatible are far and few between cause only DisplayPort1.2a and 1.3 has Freesync(and 1.3 was JUST confirmed and 1.2a wasn't widespread compared to 1.2 vanilla)

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I play CSGO on my 144Hz monitor and when I go on vacation with my laptop and I play on it CSGO feels awful. 

 

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290x Can't run Gsync or Free Sync; Only Nvidia 600series or newer runs Gsync (and only with select Gsync monitors)and so far only R9 285 can run FreeSync and monitors that are compatible are far and few between cause only DisplayPort1.2a and 1.3 has Freesync(and 1.3 was JUST confirmed and 1.2a wasn't widespread compared to 1.2 vanilla)

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hmm odd as far as I was aware they didn't have compatible Display Port... Ports... but I guess they either do or don't need em xD

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I don't know about 90Hz being the point of diminishing returns - 120Hz is noticably smoother than 100Hz. Never tried 144Hz. A high enough refresh rate reduces the need for special technology like g-sync.

 

I got my hands on a relatively rare monitor, 27-inch, 2560x1440 IPS panel that can do 120Hz at full resolution, and its the best monitor I've ever had - it caters both for my programming needs of screen realestate, and high-fps gaming.

 

It saddens me when seeing the new super-screens - for instance the 21:9 screens with 3440x1440 resolution - because they cannot do 120Hz. I'd love to have a 21:9 3440x1440 screen, but I won't go back to from 120Hz.

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I don't know about 90Hz being the point of diminishing returns - 120Hz is noticably smoother than 100Hz. Never tried 144Hz. A high enough refresh rate reduces the need for special technology like g-sync.

 

I got my hands on a relatively rare monitor, 27-inch, 2560x1440 IPS panel that can do 120Hz at full resolution, and its the best monitor I've ever had - it caters both for my programming needs of screen realestate, and high-fps gaming.

 

It saddens me when seeing the new super-screens - for instance the 21:9 screens with 3440x1440 resolution - because they cannot do 120Hz. I'd love to have a 21:9 3440x1440 screen, but I won't go back to from 120Hz.

is 1440p a big jump from 1080p?

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is 1440p a big jump from 1080p?

As always, it depends. On a 27", yes. But it comes down to preference.

Gaming-only, fps-driven? Then go for 1080 - it's enough for actual gameplay. Tech-wannahavery is just that - wanna have for no good reason.

Or as me, wanting a monitor that can cater to both gaming and productivity. Want more screen realestate, multiple monitors cumbersome.

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