ASUS ready to unleash patent wardogs against its rivals

[Techhog]

Looks like ASUS is pulling an Apple. -.- Not sure if I'm going to completely avoid them from now on or not.

[Techhog]

Asus didn't come up with it. Intel had that feature on all of it's test boards. Asus just decided to use that feature and say it will help with extreme overclocking. That feature also voids your warranty with Intel which is probably a good thing.

FYI, it was confirmed that the socket doesn't void your warranty. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-oc-socket-warranty-x99,27597.html

[Snickerzz]

Kinda off topic but does someone want to explain how the extra pins even work when the cpus are designed for a certain amount of pins in a certain layout?

[PortentousLad]

wut? ASUS I thought you were cool?

 

 

But seriously If they patented it first it's theirs if they forgot to patent it it's their fault.

I agree that they should focus their attention on customer support I bought my ASUS mobo not for the many features that others don't have but because I know I can trust their products. 

 

feels like a lot of "their" in the post.

[cesrai]

Asus didn't come up with it. Intel had that feature on all of it's test boards. Asus just decided to use that feature and say it will help with extreme overclocking. That feature also voids your warranty with Intel which is probably a good thing.

No it doesn't void the warranty

[cesrai]

So they just added to the socket and called it OC SOCKET, but doesn't the socket belong to Intel, if they are able to patent it, AMD or whatever should be able to do that add some pins and it's yours.

[Psykomantis00]

Patent lawsuits don't help anyone and hurt the consumer. 

[kuddlesworth9419]

No it doesn't void the warranty

There was a post on the forum last week and the week before that claimed you would loose your warranty. 

[cesrai]

There was a post on the forum last week and the week before that claimed you would loose your warranty. 

and if you see thee topic you see it's solved that it's doesn't

[Briggsy]

Asus invested a lot of money into researching what the extra pins do, and mapping out their function. they then patented the socket. they then pulled AJ out of cryosleep and racked up millions of air miles flying him around the world to tell everyone about the socket. Asus likely said to other board partners "hey, don't rip off our hard work", and they gave Asus the bird.

 

What choice does Asus have? In the legal world everything revolves around a single concept: Precedent. If Asus sits back and does nothing, it will give other companies legal precedent to justify ripping off any past, present or future patents of Asus. It's not fair, its just how legal matters play out.

[Misanthrope]

Not sure how intel would feel about this (though legally they can't do much) but other than that seems legit

[kuddlesworth9419]

and if you see thee topic you see it's solved that it's doesn't

I guess I was wrong then but I still don't like how Asus can patent something that they themselves didn't actually create.

[cesrai]

I guess I was wrong then but I still don't like how Asus can patent something that they themselves didn't actually create.

but

 

Asus invested a lot of money into researching what the extra pins do, and mapping out their function. they then patented the socket. they then pulled AJ out of cryosleep and racked up millions of air miles flying him around the world to tell everyone about the socket. Asus likely said to other board partners "hey, don't rip off our hard work", and they gave Asus the bird.

 

What choice does Asus have? In the legal world everything revolves around a single concept: Precedent. If Asus sits back and does nothing, it will give other companies legal precedent to justify ripping off any past, present or future patents of Asus. It's not fair, its just how legal matters play out.

I get that but the socket belongs to Intel and i guess that motherboards manufactures pay a royalty to Intel, but ASUS added pins and improved it, but if they get the patent shouldn't AMD be able to add some pins to the and say that the socket belongs to them?

[Ren]

Doesn't the pin layout belong to Intel, as if I understood right it's part of the Intel engineering spec for testing.

Yes. It's why people are skeptical and I feel it's more of a scare tactic to reserve a revolutionary part of manufacturing.

Edit: I truly hate when I quote/reply to posts from days/pages ago.

[cesrai]

Yes. It's why people are skeptical and I feel it's more of a scare tactic to reserve a revolutionary part of manufacturing.

Edit: I truly hate when I quote/reply to posts from days/pages ago.

why?

[harrynowl]

Yes. It's why people are skeptical and I feel it's more of a scare tactic to reserve a revolutionary part of manufacturing.

Edit: I truly hate when I quote/reply to posts from days/pages ago.

It's alright I was quoted for a post I made over 2 months ago the other day

 

But yes to my knowledge they're just Intel testing pins to allow for 'up to' 2.1v rather than the standard 1.75v

 

So probably a scare tactic but the only folks that'll care are on hwbot anyway

[Ren]

why?

Because your reply is less relevant due to:

- People having responded by the time you get to it (this is true in most cases)

- If people have replied already, all you're doing is spamming their forum inbox, often with notifications of the same information (again, true in most cases)

- Just a general dislike for being the slowpoke.

[cesrai]

Because your reply is less relevant due to:

- People having responded by the time you get to it (this is true in most cases)

- If people have replied already, all you're doing is spamming their forum inbox, often with notifications of the same information (again, true in most cases)

- Just a general dislike for being the slowpoke.

I get that, at first I thought your saying my reply is irrelevant, if you saw my face.

[mr moose]

Asus invested a lot of money into researching what the extra pins do, and mapping out their function. they then patented the socket. they then pulled AJ out of cryosleep and racked up millions of air miles flying him around the world to tell everyone about the socket. Asus likely said to other board partners "hey, don't rip off our hard work", and they gave Asus the bird.

 

They didn't research what the pins did, they asked intel  and intel told them,  there was no need to study or research what they do.  They can't patent the socket because Intel already owns it at if Intel didn't bother to patent the socket they can still show a working prototype/reference.  At best they can trademark the "OC socket" name which uses the extra Vsupply pins on the CPU.

 

But for intents and purposes what they are suggesting is to patent the use of an existing products features using an existing product.  Do you guys think Intel have these pins there for no reason or that they don't already have a socket that enables the use of those pins?

[Briggsy]

They didn't research what the pins did, they asked intel  and intel told them

 

So JJ is a liar, is what you're saying?

[mr moose]

So JJ is a liar, is what you're saying?

Basically yes:

 

I don't generally believe everything PR people say.

 

some things to consider:

 

So, Gigabyte can get hold of this same socket, the question is what do those additional pins connect to. If the first possibility stated above is correct, i.e. that these are real additional power, ground etc. pins that allow better and more reliable OC, then Asus has no way to patent these as it directly links to Intel IP including the socket and its validation.

 

If, however, it is the second possibility, of test, debug or no-connect pins being exposed, then it is a serious marketing rubbish which could be used to deceive the high-end buyers, whom both Intel and its key OEMs, which Asus and Gigabyte  are, surely cherish and treasure. And mind you, this is already in a product on the market, the Asus top end Rampage V Extreme.

 

Source

 

I believe it is the first scenario.

 

If JJ reckons Asus have a right to patent Intel property then he is lying.

[Unhelpful]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRGd0gD0QNE

 

 

 

 

I wish every tech company would get over themselves and work on pushing everything forward.

 

Just because you have the right to sue/can sue doesn't mean you have to.

[flibberdipper]

Good for ASUS. Now my fanboyism for them is gonna start showing, so I'm gonna leave.

[cesrai]

They didn't research what the pins did, they asked intel  and intel told them,  there was no need to study or research what they do.  They can't patent the socket because Intel already owns it at if Intel didn't bother to patent the socket they can still show a working prototype/reference.  At best they can trademark the "OC socket" name which uses the extra Vsupply pins on the CPU.

 

But for intents and purposes what they are suggesting is to patent the use of an existing products features using an existing product.  Do you guys think Intel have these pins there for no reason or that they don't already have a socket that enables the use of those pins?

you got it wrong, they asked Intel what are these holes/pins for and Intel responded it doesn't matter so they reversed engineered the socket and fined out what these pins do, unless you have evidence saying otherwise you are a liar and J.J is saying the truth.

 

@Briggsy

[mr moose]

you got it wrong, they asked Intel what are these holes/pins for and Intel responded it doesn't matter so they reversed engineered the socket and fined out what these pins do, unless you have evidence saying otherwise you are a liar and J.J is saying the truth.

 

@Briggsy

 

Do you honestly believe that Intel doesn't know what those pins do?