Thoughts about mice after being more informed

[Axypha]

So basically, I've been doing moar r3s33rch on mice, and I'm just going to put some of the things out there for other people shopping for mice. There's a bit of BS surrounding mice, and I'd like some of you to know about it.

 

NOTE: Before you read, you should all know that this just plain DOESN'T MATTER for any normal user. This is made from a gaming standpoint.

 

First off, Optical > Laser. I know everyone who says this sounds like a D-Bag, but Mouse Acceleration is BAD for aiming. Using mouse acceleration obviously feels normal to Mouse Accel. users, but if you want to be a good player at any FPS Game, you NEED to not have mouse accel. You see this?

 This is basically IMPOSSIBLE for anyone with a laser mouse. I can guarantee you that the 2 Snipers behind the screen do NOT have a Laser Mouse. Mouse acceleration is plain bad for aiming, and you shouldn't use it.

 

There's also a lot of bullcrap around DPI. Let me just quote an paragraph from here (http://www.overclock.net/t/951894/the-truthful-mouse-guide): "DPI/CPI refers to dots per inches or counts per inches. It refers to the sensitivity of your mouse. However a very common misunderstanding about it is that DPI/CPI is a benchmark for how accurate your mouse is.

This is wrong! DPI/CPI is just the distance your mouse cursor moves in relation to the distance your mouse moves in real life. So for example, a mouse with higher sensitivity moves 3 pixels/cm whereas a mouse with lower sensitivity moves 1 pixel/cm, BUT they both have the same accuracy. Many gaming companies take advantage of this misunderstanding and often boast about their high DPI/CPI mice when they are actually overpriced garbage. Some gaming companies even use interpolaration (using software to trick the sensor) to increase the DPI/CPI further even at the expense of the mouse's performance. DO NOT BELIEVE their marketing and fall for their traps. DPI/CPI HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH ACCURACY OF YOUR MOUSE. A good example is the microsoft intellimouse 3.0, a very popular choice among professional gamers, it only has 400 dpi but its a very good mouse nevertheless."

 

You don't NEED 5,000+ DPI on a gaming mouse. A High-DPI Mouse would really only benefit someone with a 2K+ Monitor, and 3,000 DPI is still completely fine for that resolution.*Not part of the Paragraph*

 

Finally, Weights on Mice are just a gimmick. From a gaming standpoint, Lighter = Better.

 

To finish off, here are a list of mice that have top-notch accuracy and are great for gaming. I posted this because 1/2 of the Gaming Optical Mice today have bs like HARDWARE ACCELERATION AHEM. If you doubt me, then go look at Steelseries. There are LITERALLY only like, 2 Optical Mice made by Steelseries that ACTUALLY don't have hardware acceleration bs.

 

List: (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56240.0}: - Microsoft WMO 1.1

- Microsoft IMO 1.1
- Microsoft IME 3.0
- Zowie FK
- Zowie AM
- Zowie FK1
- Zowie EC1 CL
- Zowie EC1 eVo
- Zowie EC2 CL
- Zowie EC2 eVo
- Razer Deathadder 3G
- Razer Deathadder 3.5G
- Razer Deathadder 2013
- Razer Abyssus
- Logitech G400
- Logitech G400s
- Logitech G502
- Steelseries Kana V2
- Steelseries Rival
- Mionix Avoir 7000
- Cooler Master Storm Spawn
- Cooler master Storm Alcor
- Roccat Savu
- Roccat Kone Pure Optical
- Roccat Kone Pure Military 
- Mad Catz R.A.T. 3
- Corsair M45

[TheKDub]

Yay the g502 is on the list!

[404]

You might want to make this into a guide and publish it there. It might get better attention there too.

[Axypha]

You might want to make this into a guide and publish it there. It might get better attention there too.

 

I really think that this is more of basic information than a guide, since this is such a basic explanation of things.

[Osmium]

Thank you for saying what most CS/SC players have known forever but other people just bash them as being stupid people stuck in the past. Nice to see people informing themselves.

 

That being said sensors don't matter to anyone but competitive gamers really. I am competitive in basically everything I do but at the same time a mouse with a perfect sensor with imperfect ergonomics would be a bad buy for anyone but a competitive player.

[Axypha]

Thank you for saying what most CS/SC players have known forever but other people just bash them as being stupid people stuck in the past. Nice to see people informing themselves.

 

That being said sensors don't matter to anyone but competitive gamers really. I am competitive in basically everything I do but at the same time a mouse with a perfect sensor with imperfect ergonomics would be a bad buy for anyone but a competitive player.

 

Yeah. This guide really isn't helpful to anyone who just plays casually to kill time, and doesn't really care about how good/bad they are. It really only applies to gamers that want to become a good player, hardcore gamers, and competitive players.

[Osmium]

Yeah. This guide really isn't helpful to anyone who just plays casually to kill time, and doesn't really care about how good/bad they are. It really only applies to gamers that want to become a good player, hardcore gamers, and competitive players.

 

Well at the same time it is good to know. Like I said ergonomics are more important than sensors but having a great sensor never hurts. I'd prefer people educated themselves than not. Although personally I've used a lot of those mice on that list and I would have a hard time believing that a person could not find a mouse they loved in that list.

[VulsaviiK]

That being said sensors don't matter to anyone but competitive gamers really. I am competitive in basically everything I do but at the same time a mouse with a perfect sensor with imperfect ergonomics would be a bad buy for anyone but a competitive player.

 

Some of them are actually pretty cheap as far as gaming mice go

 

So I guess the question is, why spend more for a mouse which isn't as good, and is going to cause problems if being competitive in online games is something that's important to you

 

I'm pretty sure Linus discussed this in a video before

[Osmium]

Some of them are actually pretty cheap as far as gaming mice go

 

So I guess the question is, why spend more for a mouse which isn't as good, and is going to cause problems if being competitive in online games is something that's important to you

 

I'm pretty sure Linus discussed this in a video before

 

     As a rule of thumb you shouldn't spend more than $60 on a gaming mouse. Many companies (Steelseries, Razer, Logitech, Roccat etc.) charge more for gimmicky features like buttons, laser sensors(which suck anyway), or software(which almost always sucks). So really it just comes down to you should know what you are buying. Zowie mice are the same price as the razer ouroborous but Zowie mice don't have braided cables, software, or lots of lighting. However I still consider the Zowie EC1 a vastly superior mouse to the Razer since it is light, has a perfect sensor, great ergonomics for me, and it costs half as much.

 

     Not saying Razer is a bad company because they aren't. The deathadder and blackwidows are excellent peripherals. But features don't make a mouse. 

[Huginn]

Picking up the Steelseries Rival tomorrow! I've also done a lot of research on the topic of mice, and your conclusions are good and reasonable. I've seen more in depth guides, but nicely done non the less .  

I also found this quite useful. I know it states "mice for FPS" but the information is useful in general.

[Verne]

If anyone wants to get more mouse knowledge, here's some links I've gathered and found helpful:

http://www.overclock.net/t/854100/gaming-mouse-sensor-list (Mouse sensor list)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tech-support/333648-an-overview-of-mouse-technology (Overview of mouse technology)

https://magic.piktochart.com/output/2091593-technology (DPI experiment)

http://www.overclock.net/t/951894/the-truthful-mouse-guide (The Truthful Mouse Guide)

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56240.0 (Mouse Guide 2.0)

[Captain_Slow]

I disagree with the DPI thing, because a game takes software + hardware samples when considering mice movement. turn up the hardware and turn down the software and I find i get better accuracy.

[Verne]

I disagree with the DPI thing, because a game takes software + hardware samples when considering mice movement. turn up the hardware and turn down the software and I find i get better accuracy.

Windows mouse speed to 6/11, disable enhanced precision -> Put your mouse's DPI to as low as possible while still being usable -> tune in-game sensitivity if needed. The best way to get most accurate mousing experience for gaming.

[Axypha]

I disagree with the DPI thing, because a game takes software + hardware samples when considering mice movement. turn up the hardware and turn down the software and I find i get better accuracy.

 

Then its probably because of something else. DPI is DOTS per INCH. Inches referring to how much you move your mouse, and Dots referring the pixels on your screen. It has nothing to do with accuracy at all.                                                    

[eLucid]

 

 

 

First off, Optical > Laser. I know everyone who says this sounds like a D-Bag, but Mouse Acceleration is BAD for aiming. Using mouse acceleration obviously feels normal to Mouse Accel. users, but if you want to be a good player at any FPS Game, you NEED to not have mouse accel.

Ever hear of something called CPL mouse fix? Or MarkC mouse fix? (for you new kids out there) You don't need an optical mouse to not have mouse accel.

 

Some people are completely oblivious on here.

 

 

http://donewmouseaccel.blogspot.ca/2010/03/markc-windows-7-mouse-acceleration-fix.html

[Verne]

Ever hear of something called CPL mouse fix? Or MarkC mouse fix? (for you new kids out there) You don't need an optical mouse to not have mouse accel.

 

Some people are completely oblivious on here.

 

 

http://donewmouseaccel.blogspot.ca/2010/03/markc-windows-7-mouse-acceleration-fix.html

Those only remove software acceleration in certain games (disabling enhanced precision does the job without the fix for desktop and most modern games). Majority of the laser mice suffer from residual HARDWARE acceleration which cannot be removed with a software tweak. Philips Twin-eye laser sensors do not have acceleration but suffer from a handful of other issue/flaws.

[ManOfDisguise]

all you need to know about sensors, great video, but crowd is full of assholes

 

[BaSkA]

What I care the most on mice is how comfortable it is. How well it fits your hand, if it gets sticky because of sweat or is just dirt adhesive.

 

The best mouse I have ever used is the Deathadder/Mamba.