GPU PCB Manufacturers competition ?

[Gonzague35]

Hi, i would like to hear some opinions on this particular question. Why is the gpu pcb manufacturing market only composed of Nvidia and Amd.

Are there other manufacturers ? or is there a reason why no one tries to start a new company ?

 

To add some precision, im mostly concerned by everyday gpus more than pro one since i know of some smaller companies who produce cards like the red rocket x

Thank you and correct me if something is wrong

[AlwaysFSX]

Nvidia and AMD don't make PCB's. They make the cores and designs for everything to go on the PCB.

 

The reason being is that no one else has enough money or reputation to compete with them.

[Enderman]

They don't make PCBs. They make GPUs.

And the reason there is no other 'mainstream' GPU manufacturer is because it takes trillions of dollars and decades of R&D to make anything that can compete with Nvidia or AMD.

[spwath]

Nvidia and AMD don't make PCB's. They make the cores and designs for everything to go on the PCB.

 

The reason being is that no one else has enough money or reputation to compete with them.

Intel. They could do it.

[xox]

Well, there's always Matrox

[Enderman]

Well, there's always Matrox

Never heard of it.

[AlwaysFSX]

Intel. They could do it.

They won't though.

[Gonzague35]

Oh, i thought they also designed the PCB themselves ?

[xox]

Never heard of it.

Listen harder

[Enderman]

Listen harder

I try. It's just too quiet...

[AlwaysFSX]

Oh, i thought they also designed the PCB themselves ?

No. They make the core, take a PCB, and add everything made by other people to it. RAM, caps, etc.

[xox]

I try. It's just too quiet...

I guess it's too bad Endermen have no ears

[Enderman]

I guess it's too bad Endermen have no ears

:unsure:

[Lord Pantaloons]

They don't make PCBs. They make GPUs.

And the reason there is no other 'mainstream' GPU manufacturer is because it takes trillions of dollars and decades of R&D to make anything that can compete with Nvidia or AMD.

Trillions is quite an overestimation but the others who have posted here are correct. AMD and Nvidia are too big of a challenge to meet for any potential start up company. Not only with their budgets and development experience but with their entrenched product and customer bases, people tend to stick with what they know and some random newcomer would most certainly not be what they know.

 

Intel could do it, in fact they are in a way. With intel's focus on mobile iGPU's increasing we've seen quite the jumps in processing grunt, Iris Pro 5200/5100 is a pretty capable piece of kit. Especially when compared to it's predecessors, given the enhancements that Broadwell and Skylake are sure to bring in the iGPU's that intel will be putting out could start to rival mid range mobile dedicated cards. Though anything beyond that is unlikely, Intel could do more but I cannot imagine them seeing worth in producing discrete desktop/laptop GPU's.

[Enderman]

Trillions is quite an overestimation but the others who have posted here are correct. AMD and Nvidia are too big of a challenge to meet for any potential start up company. Not only with their budgets and development experience but with their entrenched product and customer bases, people tend to stick with what they know and some random newcomer would most certainly not be what they know.

 

Intel could do it, in fact they are in a way. With intel's focus on mobile iGPU's increasing we've seen quite the jumps in processing grunt, Iris Pro 5200/5100 is a pretty capable piece of kit. Especially when compared to it's predecessors, given the enhancements that Broadwell and Skylake are sure to bring in the iGPU's that intel will be putting out could start to rival mid range mobile dedicated cards. Though anything beyond that is unlikely, Intel could do more but I cannot imagine them seeing worth in producing discrete desktop/laptop GPU's.

Well trillions over all the years that they have been developing products...AMD and nvidia have been around a long time.

And intel does have the money to do it, but they make enough money from processors that making dedicated GPUs would be a waste of time.

 

They might end up like AMD making both CPUs and GPUs that are not as good as they could be...

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

Intel. They could do it.

 

Well they started doing their integrated graphics.

[Lord Pantaloons]

They might end up like AMD making both CPUs and GPUs that are not as good as they could be...

The difference between AMD and intel is that if intel decided to do it they have the money and R&D prowess to make sure it's not a half-assed effort.

[Cookie Monster]

There used to be another major graphics card company, 3dfx, who invented sli, but they went bust in 2000.

[MoonSpot]

Well they started doing their integrated graphics.

 

I've high hopes for a better Broadwell-k processor with iris.

[Speedbird]

 

They might end up like AMD making both CPUs and GPUs that are not as good as they could be...

That's because AMD bought ATi in 2006. Intel hasn't bought any GPU manufacturer.

[Norman_the_Owl]

Intel makes GPUs...

 

Has no one heard of knight's landging?

 

Xeon phi???

 

Anyone?!?!

[juretrn]

Never heard of it.

They once made gaming GPUs (back in the ATI Rage days), then they fell behind in that area, now they dominate in the market of multimonitor setup (6+ monitors) GPUs.

 

 

Intel makes GPUs...

 

Has no one heard of knight's landging?

 

Xeon phi???

 

Anyone?!?!

 

Not a GPU. COMPUTE CARD. Big difference. AFAIK, Knight's Landing is x86 based.

They do have the majority in the GPU market actually (thanks to iGPUs)

There was once a discrete GPU project for Intel (that was later scrapped), called Larrabee.

[-rascal-]

 

See the shiny metallic chip in the middle? That's the GPU core. That is the heart (or the brains) of the graphics card. That is what NVidia makes.

See everything else? That's the PCB. That's what the board manufacturers make (i.e. ASUS, EVGA, MSi, etc).