Skylake News [update 9-14]

[patrickjp93]

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/35599-skylake-s-supports-directx-12

 

Skylake reported to support OpenGL 5 (yes, 5, as in the next generation made by Khronos), OpenCL 2 (Mantle), DX 12, 4K in 16:10 @60Hz on the lowest SKU.

 

Edit: also, h.265 hybrid encoder.

 

Broadwell's top SKU brings 2TFlops with 96 GPU cores. So, AMD fans scared yet?

 

Update: Intel confirmed FULL DX 12.0 support at the hardware level.

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/DirectX-12-Software-255525/News/Skylake-Prozessorgrafik-erst-echte-DirectX-12-Hardware-1135515/

[Fulgrim]

AMD have their cards kept close to their chest in regards to their new GPU. Just you wait OP.

[Trik'Stari]

AMD have their cards kept close to their chest in regards to their new GPU. Just you wait OP.

Riiiight.....look at that sexy new r9 285 thats weaker....than the r9 280....

[patrickjp93]

AMD have their cards kept close to their chest in regards to their new GPU. Just you wait OP.

No they don't. Carrizo is still at 28nm meaning all they get to do is incorporate equal-citizen scheduling and MAYBE stacked onboard memory similar to Crystalwell (and equally as expensive). Core count is not going up even though they will have to include GCN 1.2 cores to keep up.

 

Broadwell brings a 2TFlop GPU vs. Kaveri's 8xx GFlop GPU. I realize Intel's geometry budget per core has been historically much lower, but do you really think that isn't going to change?

 

Skylake = Kaveri since it brings unified memory, and Cannonlake could = Carrizo since that ancillary circuitry is simpler to implement.

 

Not to be a total asshole, but I've been predicting AMD's loss on the APU front for months now. Here you see that idea coming to fruition.

[Fulgrim]

Riiiight.....look at that sexy new r9 285 thats weaker....than the r9 280....

Tonga is just a refresh.

[patrickjp93]

Tonga is just a refresh.

Not quite. It's a different core, though the count is the same but with a lower clock rate. Benchmarks actually show it being just a bit stronger than the 280.

[UnknownEngineer]

Not quite. It's a different core, though the count is the same but with a lower clock rate. Benchmarks actually show it being just a bit stronger than the 280.

I wonder if I should try and get a 280. I have a 7950 that I payed 309€ for about a year back, and now the 280 costs less than that... I wonder what a 7950 would sell for...

[The_Strict_Nein]

I'm really excited to see what Skylake's GPU can do. If it can beat out the 7850K I'll be amazed.

 

Also, Intel really need to start working on HSA. They have no excuse if they're GPU's are getting this good.

[wpirobotbuilder]

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/35599-skylake-s-supports-directx-12

 

Skylake reported to support OpenGL 5 (yes, 5, as in the next generation made by Khronos), OpenCL 2 (Mantle), DX 12, 4K in 16:10 @60Hz on the lowest SKU.

 

So, AMD fans scared yet?

Supporting 4K means nothing useful as far as GPU size goes. It won't be able to render at anything close to 60Hz. Neither can AMD's APU, for that matter. How would this possibly scare AMD?

 

I suspect the OP is an Intel fanboy.

[patrickjp93]

I'm really excited to see what Skylake's GPU can do. If it can beat out the 7850K I'll be amazed.

 

Also, Intel really need to start working on HSA. They have no excuse if they're GPU's are getting this good.

You seem to forget it was Intel who first put GPU cores on a CPU die...They see HSA as a threat to their Scientific Computing/supercomputer/server markets, so they're meeting AMD at the summit when developers will actually get interested in it (the current ones all being small fry). Also, Iris 5200 beats Kaveri already at everything except Mantle-enabled games and the HSA software. Simply overclock the iGPU to 1.5 GHz instead of stock 1.3GHz. Some people here have gotten it to 3 GHz and then it beats the snot out of the 7850k and Nvidia's 750M inside the MBPr.

[patrickjp93]

Supporting 4K means nothing useful as far as GPU size goes. It won't be able to render at anything close to 60Hz. Neither can AMD's APU, for that matter. How would this possibly scare AMD?

 

I suspect the OP is an Intel fanboy.

Older Intel iGPUs only supported 4K at 30Hz. That's why it's notable. I'm not a fanboy. I'm a realist. I warned everyone for a long time Intel would not only catch up but eclipse AMD's iGPU solutions, and with Broadwell alone we will see that come to pass. A non-unified-memory iGPU is going to stomp all over Kaveri, and unless AMD can find a magical way to keep the costs of HBM down on the Carrizo chips, their prices will rise close to the 4980HQ processors, and Skylake will stomp all over it too. A 9xx GFlop GCN iGPU cannot win against a 2TFlop iGPU from Intel. It just can't, especially if Intel delivers on the higher geometry budget per core they promised.

[RexinOridle]

AMD should get their shit together. I don't know if they are out of ideas or just sitting back not giving any fuck.

[patrickjp93]

AMD should get their shit together. I don't know if they are out of ideas or just sitting back not giving any fuck.

Their problem is their R&D budget and being beholden to TSMC which caters to larger companies like Apple and Samsung.

[nicehat]

You seem to forget it was Intel who first put GPU cores on a CPU die...They see HSA as a threat to their Scientific Computing/supercomputer/server markets, so they're meeting AMD at the summit when developers will actually get interested in it (the current ones all being small fry). Also, Iris 5200 beats Kaveri already at everything except Mantle-enabled games and the HSA software. Simply overclock the iGPU to 1.5 GHz instead of stock 1.3GHz. Some people here have gotten it to 3 GHz and then it beats the snot out of the 7850k and Nvidia's 750M inside the MBPr.

 

The 5200 beats out the A10 at lower resolutions (in some games). The A10 beats out the 5200 (in ALL games) when res and overall complexity are turned up to 1920 x 1080. In what galaxy does this mean that the 5200 beats out Kaveri? 

 

 

AnandTech Portal | AMD Kaveri Review: A8-7600 and A10-7850K Tested

[Eroda]

AMD's next APU will just be another iteration im waiting for their whole new Arch might help AMD get back on track

 

Skylake is not close you are talking like its 6 months away. desktop i7 broadwell isn't even here yet still 14 moths away at least

[patrickjp93]

AMD's next APU will just be another iteration im waiting for their whole new Arch might help AMD get back on track

Skylake is not close you are talking like its 6 months away. desktop i7 broadwell isn't even here yet still 14 moths away at least

Broadwell unlocked and Skylake-S land at the same time Q2 2015.

[patrickjp93]

The 5200 beats out the A10 at lower resolutions (in some games). The A10 beats out the 5200 (in ALL games) when res and overall complexity are turned up to 1920 x 1080. In what galaxy does this mean that the 5200 beats out Kaveri?

AnandTech Portal | AMD Kaveri Review: A8-7600 and A10-7850K Tested

Anandtech failed to overclock either chip. Put the Iris cores at 1.5 GHz and the 7850k loses handily at everything except mantle and HSA software.

[nicehat]

Anandtech failed to overclock either chip. Put the Iris cores at 1.5 GHz and the 7850k loses handily at everything except mantle and HSA software.

 

Oh so now it needs to be overclocked to win? And I guess games like Sleeping Dogs and Company of Heroes 2 are Mantle games? 

 

Just to let you know the GPU clock on an A10 is 720 mHz while the iris 5200 has a 200 (i5) mHz GPU clock. So overclocking the whole CPU will magically make the iris 5200 (which is still the lowest common denominator in graphic generation on an OCd CPU) perform better than an overclocked Kaveri at all mid to high resolutions? Do you have any data for that, or is that made up?  

 

You can backtrack now

[patrickjp93]

Oh so now it needs to be overclocked to win? And I guess games like Sleeping Dogs and Company of Heroes 2 are Mantle games?

Just to let you know the GPU clock on an A10 is 720 mHz while the iris 5200 has a 200 (i5) mHz GPU clock. So overclocking the whole CPU will magically make the iris 5200 (which is still the lowest common denominator in graphic generation on an OCd CPU) perform better than an overclocked Kaveri at all mid to high resolutions? Do you have any data for that, or is that made up?

You can backtrack now

The base clock is 200 MHz. The boost is 1300. Also, yes, overclocked Iris wins, and the Kaveri GPU can't overclock much whereas some have pushed Iris 5200 all the way to 3 GHz.

[LOLPhilips]

The 5200 beats out the A10 at lower resolutions (in some games). The A10 beats out the 5200 (in ALL games) when res and overall complexity are turned up to 1920 x 1080. In what galaxy does this mean that the 5200 beats out Kaveri? 

 

 

AnandTech Portal | AMD Kaveri Review: A8-7600 and A10-7850K Tested

 

Well simply finding a review in its favor might be easy but the same can be said for the other team

See AMD get wrecked by the Iris pro in the 4770r in this article: http://us.hardware.info/reviews/5180/intel-core-i7-4770r-review-fastest-cpu-with-iris-pro-5200-graphics

 

Broadwell unlocked and Skylake-S land at the same time Q2 2015.

 

But same can be said for you, yes intel is greatly making up whatever distance AMD had on them, and their future looks promising and all.

But we simply do not know what is going to be true or untrue for the next generations of iGPU's.

 

And I think this kind of fight is very unbecoming of both you guys

[nicehat]

The base clock is 200 MHz. The boost is 1300. Also, yes, overclocked Iris wins, and the Kaveri GPU can't overclock much whereas some have pushed Iris 5200 all the way to 3 GHz.

 

ok so show some benchmarks? Enlighten everyone on what youve seen?

 

 

Well simply finding a review in its favor might be easy but the same can be said for the other team

See AMD get wrecked by the Iris pro in the 4770r in this article: http://us.hardware.info/reviews/5180/intel-core-i7-4770r-review-fastest-cpu-with-iris-pro-5200-graphics

 

 

You are right. But again ive never heard of hardware.info, whereas everyone knows anandtech. Heres a Guru article backing up anand

AMD A10-7850K Kaveri APU review - Introduction

 

Im just really interested in his claim and where it came from

[LOLPhilips]

ok so show some benchmarks? Enlighten everyone on what youve seen?

 

 

 

You are right. But again ive never heard of hardware.info, whereas everyone knows anandtech. Heres a Guru article backing up anand

AMD A10-7850K Kaveri APU review - Introduction

 

Im just really interested in his claim and where it came from

 

Well Hardware.info is a trustable site but mainly dutch and any translated articles are always somewhat late.

But whatever chip is best wasn't really my point.

 

As I'm sure anyone wanting to do some real gaming isn't going for a iGPU anyway (atleast not if they can't avoid it).

And yes I'm interested in his claims to.

 

I was just pointing out it started to look like a personal flame-war.

[mymouthandi]

Why are people comparing products that don't exist yet (Broadwell, Skylake) to ones that do (Kaveri)? That makes no sense and is a non-argument. 

[patrickjp93]

Why are people comparing products that don't exist yet (Broadwell, Skylake) to ones that do (Kaveri)? That makes no sense and is a non-argument.

Broadwell already exists. The core-M chips have already been reviewed with their 24-core GPU GT1 solutions. There are 4 available GPU slices, where each rank adds a slice. 4x24 is 96. 96 EUs x 7 SIMD units x 1.3 x 10^9 Hz ~=2TFlops peak performance.

[spartaman64]

well both amd and intel are screwed because im going to make a igpu thats 20000 teraflops compute so suck it amd and intel what i thought we are just taking about potential future igpus