KHRONOS publishes slides about OPENGL-NEXT

[bogus]

Here are some of the features:
 

 

- OpenGL-Next is a ground-up design of a modern 3D+Compute API and will break compatibility with existing OpenGL implementations. 

- The new API seeks to unify OpenGL and OpenGL ES API -- one API to rule both desktop and mobile worlds. 

- There will be explicit control over GPU and CPU workloads with the application/game expressing to the driver what it wants. 

- The new API will be high performance and predictable. 

- The new API will be multi-threading and multi-core friendly with great reductions to the CPU overhead. 

- There will be a common shading language intermediate representation (IR) for greater reliability and portability. 

- Like OpenGL, the new API will be architecture-neutral with full support for tile-based rendering and direct rendering. 

- There will be enhanced conformance testing. 

- This new initiative is "NOT" going to be a "multi-year, design-by-committee process." 

SOURCE: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc2ODQ

 

Slides can be found here: https://www.khronos.org/developers/library/2014-siggraph-bof

 

[Deletive]

I wouldn't be surprised if mantle is integrated in this.

[AlexGoesHigh]

that's awesome, integrating desktop and mobile into 1 should streamline things a lot

[IPCharger]

Sounds awesome. We really need a good and open low level API that's cross compatible.

[qwertywarrior]

I wouldn't be surprised if mantle is integrated in this.

well they already have full access to it

why not then,

AMD did all the work already

[mr moose]

I wouldn't be surprised if mantle is integrated in this.

that's a pretty safe bet,  It will be interesting to see the finished product.

[LukaP]

well they already have full access to it

why not then,

AMD did all the work already

they did the work on the renderer. an api is much more than just a renderer

[Ashaira]

I wouldn't be surprised if mantle is integrated in this.

 

Mantle won't be in it per say. Amd gave them mantle and said they can use the same approach so chances are it will be very similar to mantle in it approach.

[Humbug]

Good stuff. OpenGL needed this overhaul badly. If they do this right and make it dev friendly we may have one API to rule them all. Windows, Linux, Mac OSX, IOS, android...

 

I wouldn't be surprised if mantle is integrated in this.

I think they will take certain approaches and learnings from the Mantle project, but not integrate Mantle.

[Humbug]

Below are the contributors

[LukaP]

I think they will take certain approaches and learnings from the Mantle project, but not integrate Mantle.

currently, mantle only supports GCN anyway, so no way they would just chuck it in, they just got access to it, so they can learn from it, and incorporate the ideas. 

 

ive no idea how people still claim mantle is DX12/oGL when those two are meant to be cross platform, and mantle is currently designed to only work on GCN...

[Askew]

currently, mantle only supports GCN anyway, so no way they would just chuck it in, they just got access to it, so they can learn from it, and incorporate the ideas. 

 

ive no idea how people still claim mantle is DX12/oGL when those two are meant to be cross platform, and mantle is currently designed to only work on GCN...

 

The AMD guy Richard Huddy said in the Maximum PC interview that Nvidia's current GPU hardware could (if given permission) use Mantle and that all would be needed is for them to build a driver for it.

 

here is the segment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fZGV5z8YFM8#t=1544

[LukaP]

The AMD guy Richard Huddy said in the Maximum PC interview that Nvidia's current GPU hardware could (if given permission) use Mantle and that all would be needed is for them to build a driver for it.

 

here is the segment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fZGV5z8YFM8#t=1544

interesting. maybe more of mantle is implemented then. but it sure as hell isnt just chucked in there as is...

[bogus]

currently, mantle only supports GCN anyway, so no way they would just chuck it in, they just got access to it, so they can learn from it, and incorporate the ideas. 

 

ive no idea how people still claim mantle is DX12/oGL when those two are meant to be cross platform, and mantle is currently designed to only work on GCN...

This can be found in Johan Andersson Mantle presentatitions:

Source: http://techreport.com/news/25651/mantle-to-power-15-frostbite-games-dice-calls-for-multi-vendor-support

 

Mantle was designed with Multi-Vendor support in mind. But like you said Mantle itself, currently, only supports GCN.

[monstercameron]

@LukaP AMD didn't work on the/a renderer, they designed an API. Dice and the starswarm guys implemented mantles APIs into their renderers.

[patrickjp93]

@LukaP AMD didn't work on the/a renderer, they designed an API. Dice and the starswarm guys implemented mantles APIs into their renderers.

To be fair, OpenCL is solely a "rendering" language. But anything that can be abstracted to matrix algebra can be abstracted to "rendering" as computational problem solving.

[Fetzie]

This can be found in Johan Andersson Mantle presentatitions:

[...]

Source: http://techreport.com/news/25651/mantle-to-power-15-frostbite-games-dice-calls-for-multi-vendor-support

 

Mantle was designed with Multi-Vendor support in mind. But like you said Mantle itself, currently, only supports GCN.

 

Well yeah, AMD isn't going to do ALL of nVidia's work for them

[Humbug]

^^There is no doubt that Nvidia could implement a Mantle driver. But that doesn't mean they should. Personally I do not think they should. Why would they want to support an API which is fully controlled by their direct competitor. It's asking for trouble and they will always be one step behind responding in a reactive manner while trying to compete with AMD who is ahead of the curve. What we need is for both AMD and Nvidia to throw their weight behind openGL next.

 

There is no doubt that Mantle has had an extremely positive impact on the industry, it's been a great proof of concept. And it has pushed the directX and OpenGL guys in the correct direction to achieve better multithreading and less CPU overhead. AMD can continue to use Mantle in this manner as an experimental platform. It doesn't need to be adopted by others.

[cesrai]

^^^^

[deviant88]

Finaly some good news on this website...

[Linus_torvalds]

Below are the contributors

Everyone except MS LOL Directx big fail!! fuck windows!!  Soon we will have choice which platform to use for gaming, and i am sure that my choice will be linux

 

VALVE, AMD.  respect!

[ShadowCaptain]

Everyone except MS LOL Directx big fail!! fuck windows!!  Soon we will have choice which platform to use for gaming, and i am sure that my choice will be linux

 

VALVE, AMD.  respect!

 

I do not really like Linux although I am happy its free

 

I want OSX but on my own hardware

[LukaP]

Everyone except MS LOL Directx big fail!! fuck windows!!  Soon we will have choice which platform to use for gaming, and i am sure that my choice will be linux

 

VALVE, AMD.  respect!

obviously MS didnt contribute -.- and there is still that thing called developer adoption. most devs are used to DX, and will continue to use that, with not many rewriting everything for oGL as well. unless oGL brings something to the table that wipes the floor with DX

 

I do not really like Linux although I am happy its free

 

I want OSX but on my own hardware

its good (ubuntu and its derivatives) but the problem is lack of programs compiled for it

[ShadowCaptain]

its good (ubuntu and its derivatives) but the problem is lack of programs compiled for it

 

Not if you are dumb and rubbish at computers like me 

[LukaP]

Not if you are dumb and rubbish at computers like me 

seriously? xubuntu is almost as intuitive as windows