Correction about Linus' Gigabyte BXi5G-760 Micro PC video

[D2ultima]

Hi, everyone. I wasn't sure where to put this, but I can't make a new topic in the Linus' videos/ramblings/news forum, so here seemed like the next best place.

 

Basically, I watched this video 

here from Linus last night. In the video, I realized that Linus was misinformed by Gigabyte about the contents of the system. And in fact, Gigabyte is lying to everyone, because their sale page still has the incorrect information. Let me explain now.

 

So... Gigabyte tells Linus (and everyone else) it's a GTX 760 video card. Linus THINKS it's a GTX 760. It's actually a GTX 870M. If you pause the video at 4:48-4:49 before he zooms in to show the throttled clock speeds, you can look at his GPU-Z screenshot of the card's specifications.

GTX 760 specifications: 1152 cores, 980 base/1033 boost clock, 6000MHz mem bandwidth, 256-bit mem bus, 2GB and 4GB vRAM configurations. Proof: http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-760/specifications
GTX 870M: 1344 cores (check), 941 base (check)/967 boost (higher in video) clock, 5000MHz mem bandwidth (check), 192-bit mem bus (check), 3GB and 6GB configurations (check), downclocks as far down as 2D clocks when super hot (check). Proof: http://www.geforce.com/hardware/notebook-gpus/geforce-gtx-870m/specifications

 

So basically, Gigabyte seriously took a GTX 870M, modified the vBIOS to boost its "boost" clock and return that it's a GTX 760, shoved it into that tiny thing without proper cooling, having it downclock on itself due to overheating, and is selling it to people as being a desktop GTX 760.

 

The reason the GTX 860M 2GB card works in the small PCs is because it's maxwell, not kepler, and runs exceedingly cool for its power. It does not need a whole lot of cooling, but the stronger mobile kepler cards (like 680M, 780M, 870M, 880M) need at least a decent cooling configuration to work, which this lacks, and thus Linus' testing overheated the card easily. As for the 870M's relative strength to desktop hardware, it *IS* a GTX 660Ti with 5000MHz memory clock instead of 6000MHz memory clock and more memory. 660Ti specs as proof: http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-660ti/specifications

[Shd0w2]

Congratulations. YOu found a great flaw. Also, you should get linus silencer. Even though it was only for a stream. YOU DESERVE IT

[BonBon Scott]

Oh, okay thanks.

 

get rekt @LinusTech

[helping]

perhaps if performs similarly to a 760?

 

not sure how to feel

[MaDoHo]

Lol. good job.

[Trik'Stari]

Oh, okay thanks.

 

get rekt @LinusTech

HAVE YOU A DEATH WISH? lol

 

 

 

perhaps if performs similarly to a 760?

 

not sure how to feel

It's still deceptive.

 

Now I'm not sure just how I feel about my gigabyte motherboard, if their lying about something like this

[Flight1sim]

And there goes Gigabyte off my "good Companies" list

[Enderman]

Whoa you're right...

WTF Gigabyte?

[matheez]

wow, that's pretty nice detected, i wouldn't never seen it, even more react, really nice im impressed

[Horrorfull]

Um? OP are you Batman?

[rambi36]

I loved you Gigabyte... How can you betray me like this!? ;( That's it I'm getting an MSI or Asus Motherboard for my next system!

[Cokeman]

Well there goes gigabyte off my list of brands to recommend to people

[Ezekiel]

Damn you should go be a detective and I am serious right now, good job finding that.

[hammerslap1]

time for our good budy linus to have someone from gigabyte on the wan show so he can ask them directly live what the hell they were thinking trying to get this one past us

[Sauron]

So basically, Gigabyte seriously took a GTX 870M, modified the vBIOS to boost its "boost" clock and return that it's a GTX 760, shoved it into that tiny thing without proper cooling, having it downclock on itself due to overheating, and is selling it to people as being a desktop GTX 760.

 

W in the actual F Gigabyte?

 

Nice work op, that's some great info you got right there. What tipped you off? Did you pay so much attention to the video to notice it couldn't be a 760?

[Lord Pantaloons]

It's a 660 Ti in every way except that 660 Ti's never came with more than 2GB of VRAM.

[Rising]

I'm impressed

[Wrenn]

Wow. Not only am I surprised that you found this, but also that Gigabyte hid this. Good job!

[D2ultima]

W in the actual F Gigabyte?

 

Nice work op, that's some great info you got right there. What tipped you off? Did you pay so much attention to the video to notice it couldn't be a 760?

 

Um? OP are you Batman?

 

The first thing that tipped me off was when he said it was 6GB of vRAM; I know the 760 only has 2GB and 4GB variants. Next, when he said 5000MHz memory clock, I said "that sounds like a 870M" and I hoped he showed a GPU-Z screenshot of some kind. And luckily he did, and I was able to confirm my suspicions.

 

If it helps, my main machine is a gaming laptop, so I know both about laptop GPU specs and desktop GPU specs, so it jumped out at me more.

[spwath]

Wow @LinusTech look at this

[Horrorfull]

The first thing that tipped me off was when he said it was 6GB of vRAM; I know the 760 only has 2GB and 4GB variants. Next, when he said 5000MHz memory clock, I said "that sounds like a 870M" and I hoped he showed a GPU-Z screenshot of some kind. And luckily he did, and I was able to confirm my suspicions.

 

If it helps, my main machine is a gaming laptop, so I know both about laptop GPU specs and desktop GPU specs, so it jumped out at me more.

Alright "sure" BRUCE WAYNE!

 

no but really nice find.

[razor767]

Good job, and very disappointing on Gigabyte's part. I kind of found it hard to believe is was GTX 760 in the first place.  

[flibberdipper]

Damn. @D2ultima, YOU are the real Batman.

[Trik'Stari]

I think OP needs to work for Linus in the "Corporation bullshit detection" department.

[LinusTech]

Hi, everyone. I wasn't sure where to put this, but I can't make a new topic in the Linus' videos/ramblings/news forum, so here seemed like the next best place.

Basically, I watched this video

here from Linus last night. In the video, I realized that Linus was misinformed by Gigabyte about the contents of the system. And in fact, Gigabyte is lying to everyone, because their sale page still has the incorrect information. Let me explain now.

So... Gigabyte tells Linus (and everyone else) it's a GTX 760 video card. Linus THINKS it's a GTX 760. It's actually a GTX 870M. If you pause the video at 4:48-4:49 before he zooms in to show the throttled clock speeds, you can look at his GPU-Z screenshot of the card's specifications.

GTX 760 specifications: 1152 cores, 980 base/1033 boost clock, 6000MHz mem bandwidth, 256-bit mem bus, 2GB and 4GB vRAM configurations. Proof: http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-760/specifications

GTX 870M: 1344 cores (check), 941 base (check)/967 boost (higher in video) clock, 5000MHz mem bandwidth (check), 192-bit mem bus (check), 3GB and 6GB configurations (check), downclocks as far down as 2D clocks when super hot (check). Proof: http://www.geforce.com/hardware/notebook-gpus/geforce-gtx-870m/specifications

So basically, Gigabyte seriously took a GTX 870M, modified the vBIOS to boost its "boost" clock and return that it's a GTX 760, shoved it into that tiny thing without proper cooling, having it downclock on itself due to overheating, and is selling it to people as being a desktop GTX 760.

The reason the GTX 860M 2GB card works in the small PCs is because it's maxwell, not kepler, and runs exceedingly cool for its power. It does not need a whole lot of cooling, but the stronger mobile kepler cards (like 680M, 780M, 870M, 880M) need at least a decent cooling configuration to work, which this lacks, and thus Linus' testing overheated the card easily. As for the 870M's relative strength to desktop hardware, it *IS* a GTX 660Ti with 5000MHz memory clock instead of 6000MHz memory clock and more memory. 660Ti specs as proof: http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-660ti/specifications

Nice catch, op!

I don't think it makes much of a difference to my conclusion about the product at this point since a throttling maxwell would be not better than a throttling Kepler and I think either of them would throttle in that tiny box but it's definitely interesting!!