xeon vs. i7k

[babbaj]

You know what grinds my gears? Seeing people buying an i7 rather than a xeon, especially when they don't overclock. The 120v3 is $250 while the 4770k is $313 and the 4790k is $340 which is a $63/90 premium for an unlocked multiplier and when you add $70 for a d15 or $100 and the price of the beefier vrm you're spending probably $150-$200 which is 50%-66% the price of the cpu and you're not getting as much performance as you're spending. And why the hell do people get crappy, corrosive AIOs like the h100i? The $50 dark rock 2 performs better than it and quieter according to anandtech

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/934?vs=921

And non k i7, $63-$90 premium for integrated graphics that only a server would use

EDIT: derp the h100i performs better but not by much, i read the benchmarks wrong

/rant

[Enderman]

I think you need to gtfo and look at some benchmarks.

Half the crap you just said is not even true.

The H100i is not crappy or corrosive.

The dark rock 2 does not perform better.

An i7 performs better than a comparable xeon.

A big air cooler's aesthetics are crap.

Integrated graphics is used by MANY people who don't want to buy a GPU for their coding or HT PC

An i7 has higher performance per core which is very important for gaming.

A k i7 can overclock giving up to a 20% performance boost.

 

BTW a xeon 120v3 does not exist.

 

You know what grinds my gears? Seeing people like you rant about things they don't even understand.

[Jodomcfrodo]

This is a good question. But xeons don't overclock like you said. If you don't want to overclock then you don't need a D15. Your logic is a little flawed there. Mostly I think it is because xeons don't have an IGPU (69% sure. Correct me if I'm wrong) and those can be useful for troubleshooting. Basically yea, you should just buy a Xeon over a 4790, but onboard can be useful, the 4770 will outperform it slightly and overclocking is nice too(4790k). A 4790 is just a Xeon with an IGPU.

[TheSLSAMG]

This isn't even a legitimate rant.

 

1. An i7 K-series CPU will overclock, a Xeon will not.

2. Some people do not have the sheer space in their computer case for a Dark Rock 2/NH-D15.

3. Cheap motherboards (for the most part) look like shit.

4. The i7 4790K is faster, even stock, than a Xeon E3 1230v3, the CPU that fits your stated price, since you did not list a Xeon to compare to.

5. The H100i and other AIOs are neither corrosive or crap, you're just jumping to conclusions.

6. Not all motherboards are compatible with Xeons.

7. Anandtech is but a single reviewer, and different coolers perform differently given different conditions and use cases.

8. The i7 has an iGPU, the Xeon does not.

9. Can you even read? The Dark Rock 2 has HIGHER load temps.

10. You let the choices of others bother you too much.

[babbaj]

This isn't even a legitimate rant.

1. An i7 K-series CPU will overclock, a Xeon will not.

2. Some people do not have the sheer space in their computer case for a Dark Rock 2/NH-D15.

3. Cheap motherboards (for the most part) look like shit.

4. The i7 4790K is faster, even stock, than a Xeon E3 1230v3, the CPU that fits your stated price, since you did not list a Xeon to compare to.

5. The H100i and other AIOs are neither corrosive or crap, you're just jumping to conclusions.

6. Not all motherboards are compatible with Xeons.

7. Anandtech is but a single reviewer, and different coolers perform differently given different conditions and use cases.

8. The i7 has an iGPU, the Xeon does not.

9. Can you even read? The Dark Rock 2 has HIGHER load temps.

10. You let the choices of others bother you too much.

1. Did you read the thread or the title?

2. A lot of people get an aio when they have room for a dark rock

3. I'm talking from a price:performance standpoint

4. $90 for 700mhz

5.i've only heard of them being crap but they can corrode and leak

http://cdn.overclock.net/a/a7/350x700px-LL-a7055d90_IMG_20120830_232729.jpeg

http://cdn.overclock.net/5/5d/350x700px-LL-5de7a7f5_baf42589_IMG_20120830_232422.jpeg

6. I'm talking about e3 not e5

7. I wouldn't expect too much of a difference

8. igpu is pretty much useless

9. I was thinking higher was better for some reason it's no where near twice the temp like the h100i is twice the price

10. Would someone getting an i7 and an r7 240 for gaming bother you?

[VG Docs]

I think you need to gtfo and look at some benchmarks.

Half the crap you just said is not even true.

The H100i is not crappy or corrosive.

The dark rock 2 does not perform better.

An i7 performs better than a comparable xeon.

A big air cooler's aesthetics are crap.

Integrated graphics is used by MANY people who don't want to buy a GPU for their coding or HT PC

An i7 has higher performance per core which is very important for gaming.

A k i7 can overclock giving up to a 20% performance boost.

 

BTW a xeon 120v3 does not exist.

 

You know what grinds my gears? Seeing people like you rant about things they don't even understand.

HEY, cool down kid...

Haha, get it? Cool...down....

I'm leaving now.

[babbaj]

@babbaj

The H100i isn't crappy, and it has corsair link software, which seems to be pretty great. And not a lot of people know that they can get a Xeon for less money and do pretty much the same thing. And the i7 has an iGPU which is handy if you want to run an auxiliary display. Also some people can't fit a tower cooler in their case. Some people also don't like the look of tower coolers either. Setting up an AIO can also be handy if you want to set up a custom fan curve for you CPU as well. I'm not saying that the Dark Rock is better or worse, I'm just saying that it is a good idea to look at both sides of the situation.

 

 

The majority of xeons don't. I think that there are one or two that do, but I don't know what the models numbers are.

Crappy price:performance compared to some "air" coolers, good reason to have a thread like this, you can run multiple displays from your card, some people do have space and choose to get an aio instead, again, i'm talking about price:performance

[Cubit481]

10. Would someone getting an i7 and an r7 240 for gaming bother you?

ya it will bother me...that combination just doesnt make sense at all...

[babbaj]

There are i7s without unlocked multiplier thus without the need of an aftermarket cooler.

Which is exactly the same as a xeon except for the igpu

[Cubit481]

Which is exactly the same as a xeon except for the igpu

first of all for what purpose r we talking about here...?? for gaming or something else...even in some cases a i5 can render faster than a equivalent xeon...

[TheSLSAMG]

1. Did you read the thread or the title?

2. A lot of people get an aio when they have room for a dark rock

3. I'm talking from a price:performance standpoint

4. $90 for 700mhz

5.i've only heard of them being crap but they can corrode and leak

http://cdn.overclock.net/a/a7/350x700px-LL-a7055d90_IMG_20120830_232729.jpeg

http://cdn.overclock.net/5/5d/350x700px-LL-5de7a7f5_baf42589_IMG_20120830_232422.jpeg

6. I'm talking about e3 not e5

7. I wouldn't expect too much of a difference

8. igpu is pretty much useless

9. I was thinking higher was better for some reason it's no where near twice the temp like the h100i is twice the price

10. Would someone getting an i7 and an r7 240 for gaming bother you?

1. Yes, did you even think about anything that you said?

2. Statistics? Last I checked, no one is surveying such things, so to make that claim is completely bull.

3. Not everything is about price to performance, and such a point makes no sense. A lot of people (including myself) care about aesthetics.

4. And a lot of people are willing to spend that. A 4.6 GHz i7 4790K will handily spank any LGA 1150 Xeon.

5. I have heard of air coolers' fans failing as well. And the cooler in the image is unspecified. And it is but a single case. Find me an overwhelming amount of cases where high end AIOs have failed.

6. This does not issue my point in any form.

7. Difference enough. Some people live in cold climates, some in deserts.

8. Not necessarily. GPU dies, right? I need to RMA it. With an iGPU, your system is not as useless as a big paperweight.

9. You thought wrong.

10. No, I don't give a god damn diddly fack. That person's choices do not affect me.

[Jerakl]

 

The H100i is not crappy or corrosive.

 

Because it's made by Corsair and nothing of theirs can be bad amirite

[babbaj]

I think you need to gtfo and look at some benchmarks.

Half the crap you just said is not even true.

The H100i is not crappy or corrosive.

The dark rock 2 does not perform better.

An i7 performs better than a comparable xeon.

A big air cooler's aesthetics are crap.

Integrated graphics is used by MANY people who don't want to buy a GPU for their coding or HT PC

An i7 has higher performance per core which is very important for gaming.

A k i7 can overclock giving up to a 20% performance boost.

 

BTW a xeon 120v3 does not exist.

 

You know what grinds my gears? Seeing people like you rant about things they don't even understand.

http://cdn.overclock.net/a/a7/350x700px-LL-a7055d90_IMG_20120830_232729.jpeg

http://cdn.overclock.net/5/5d/350x700px-LL-5de7a7f5_baf42589_IMG_20120830_232422.jpeg

I made a mistake there but it's not much worse according to the benchmark

Because of an increase in clock which isn't worth $60-$100

Some people like me would prefer to see a tower cooler and that's irrelevant since i'm talking about price:performance

Yeah buy a $300 cpu for watching videos and writing some text

Lol wut how can you get more performance per core when it's the same cpu and i think you mean clock

Lol wut maybe if you have an unbalanced set up

Btw 1230v3 does exist

[TheSLSAMG]

http://cdn.overclock.net/a/a7/350x700px-LL-a7055d90_IMG_20120830_232729.jpeg

http://cdn.overclock.net/5/5d/350x700px-LL-5de7a7f5_baf42589_IMG_20120830_232422.jpeg

I made a mistake there but it's not much worse according to the benchmark

Because of an increase in clock which isn't worth $60-$100

Some people like me would prefer to see a tower cooler and that's irrelevant since i'm talking about price:performance

Yeah buy a $300 cpu for watching videos and writing some text

Lol wut how can you get more performance per core when it's the same cpu and i think you mean clock

Lol wut maybe if you have an unbalanced set up

Btw 1230v3 does exist

[babbaj]

1. Yes, did you even think about anything that you said?

2. Statistics? Last I checked, no one is surveying such things, so to make that claim is completely bull.

3. Not everything is about price to performance, and such a point makes no sense. A lot of people (including myself) care about aesthetics.

4. And a lot of people are willing to spend that. A 4.6 GHz i7 4790K will handily spank any LGA 1150 Xeon.

5. I have heard of air coolers' fans failing as well. And the cooler in the image is unspecified. And it is but a single case. Find me an overwhelming amount of cases where high end AIOs have failed.

6. This does not issue my point in any form.

7. Difference enough. Some people live in cold climates, some in deserts.

8. Not necessarily. GPU dies, right? I need to RMA it. With an iGPU, your system is not as useless as a big paperweight.

9. You thought wrong.

10. No, I don't give a god damn diddly fack. That person's choices do not affect me.

1. You said xeons can't overclock when it's very obvious it can't

2. If you're gonna spend a lot you're probably gonna get a big case

3. Then you can leave

4. Not all chips can do that and they must shit money out of their ass

5. From corrosion?

6. You said not all xeons are compatible with all motherboards when all e3's are compatible with z/h/b chipsets but e5 needs a special chipset

7. Well i'm sure the people at anandtech didn't test the h100i in a desert and the dark rock in alaska

8. You're still paying a ton of money for that igpu you rarely need

9. I indeed thought wrong

10. You must be an evil, unhelpful person

[babbaj]

http://honda-tech.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=270669&d=1336657067

Stupid ltt won't make it an image

[ZacDaMan72]

Holy shit calm down fuck sake... The equivalent to the 1230 V3 is the i7 4790/4770, not the unlocked k variant.

[TheSLSAMG]

1. You said xeons can't overclock when it's very obvious it can't

2. If you're gonna spend a lot you're probably gonna get a big case

3. Then you can leave

4. Not all chips can do that and they must shit money out of their ass

5. From corrosion?

6. You said not all xeons are compatible with all motherboards when all e3's are compatible with z/h/b chipsets but e5 needs a special chipset

7. Well i'm sure the people at anandtech didn't test the h100i in a desert and the dark rock in alaska

8. You're still paying a ton of money for that igpu you rarely need

9. I indeed thought wrong

10. You must be an evil, unhelpful person

1. No shit sherlock.

2. Again, you have no hard evidence. There are plenty of high end Mini ITX machines, go check any computer-centered tech forum.

3. Not exactly a fitting response to my point, but continue.

4. Not all chips can do that, but 4.6 is a decently conservative clock for any Devil's Canyon CPU. And that's a pretty empty assumption

5. No. But heavy air coolers can also have issues with cracking PCBs or traces. Don't be ridiculous.

6. Seems I was wrong here.

7. It doesn't matter at all where they tested them, that doesn't change the weather conditions that others live in. Not everyone lives in a temperature controlled environment.

8. There are a lot more uses for iGPUs. Intel, for example, have a technology called QuickSync. This in itself is a proven, useful video encoder and decoder which has all of it's processing done by the iGPU.

9. This does not need any further classification

10. Wow, that is a completely incorrect and outright mean assumption. I love the people that I care about deeply, and I always try hard to help people here. But, people like you don't know this. You would prefer to hide behind a wall of self-fabricated lies that make yourself feel better about your flaws. And I admit it, I have flaws, but I am not afraid to admit them.

[babbaj]

1. No shit sherlock.

2. Again, you have no hard evidence. There are plenty of high end Mini ITX machines, go check any computer-centered tech forum.

3. Not exactly a fitting response to my point, but continue.

4. Not all chips can do that, but 4.6 is a decently conservative clock for any Devil's Canyon CPU. And that's a pretty empty assumption

5. No. But heavy air coolers can also have issues with cracking PCBs or traces. Don't be ridiculous.

6. Seems I was wrong here.

7. It doesn't matter at all where they tested them, that doesn't change the weather conditions that others live in. Not everyone lives in a temperature controlled environment.

8. There are a lot more uses for iGPUs. Intel, for example, have a technology called QuickSync. This in itself is a proven, useful video encoder and decoder which has all of it's processing done by the iGPU.

9. This does not need any further classification

10. Wow, that is a completely incorrect and outright mean assumption. I love the people that I care about deeply, and I always try hard to help people here. But, people like you don't know this. You would prefer to hide behind a wall of self-fabricated lies that make yourself feel better about your flaws. And I admit it, I have flaws, but I am not afraid to admit them.

7. If they're tested at some temperature and the h100i performs 10% better than it's gonna perform 10% better in a desert

8. Well theres 1 use no one uses anyways

10. You pretty much said if someone's about to kill them self you're not gonna care

[TheSLSAMG]

7. If they're tested at some temperature and the h100i performs 10% better than it's gonna perform 10% better in a desert

8. Well theres 1 use no one uses anyways

10. You pretty much said if someone's about to kill them self you're not gonna care

7. Thermal performance doesn't always scale. Did you ever wonder why idle temps are not really relevant? It's because they don't matter as much. My GTX 770 does around 80C load in an environment that is around 30C. When pulled to an environment that is around 15C, the temps only drop around 5C, not the 15C that it would if thermals scaled as you believe they do. But, I do understand that this is only my experience.

8. Where do you see people not using this? Do you monitor everyone's PC usage? Are you the NSA or GCHQ?

10. I care not if someone buys a shitty PC -- that is their decision to make. Why the fuck did you bring suicide into this? That wasn't even the subject matter. I care about people making decisions that will kill them, and buying a shitty PC won't do that.

[CoolBeans]

Everything you have said has been proven wrong, there is 0 point to get xeon unless you need 2 CPUs

[Jeffoo]

Maybe he explained wrong, But the fact is ... if you dont need IGPU xeon are a good way to save some money. Then what he said about cooler and others things was bullshit.

 

e3-1230 v3 score around 10000 (250$)

i7-4790 score around 10000 (290$)

[Enderman]

http://cdn.overclock.net/a/a7/350x700px-LL-a7055d90_IMG_20120830_232729.jpeg

http://cdn.overclock.net/5/5d/350x700px-LL-5de7a7f5_baf42589_IMG_20120830_232422.jpeg

I made a mistake there but it's not much worse according to the benchmark

Because of an increase in clock which isn't worth $60-$100

Some people like me would prefer to see a tower cooler and that's irrelevant since i'm talking about price:performance

Yeah buy a $300 cpu for watching videos and writing some text

Lol wut how can you get more performance per core when it's the same cpu and i think you mean clock

Lol wut maybe if you have an unbalanced set up

Btw 1230v3 does exist

It's not just about performance but also about looks and functionality. A lot of people care about what their PC actually looks like through their case window. Maybe you don't but others do. An H100i looks infinitely better  than a bulky heatsink, is easier to install, you can change the fan curve for 4 PWM fans, you can monitor fluid temp, pump rpm, fan rpm, you can change the colour of the RGB LED, you can have the LED respond to temperature, and you can control everything though an awesome UI. You never mentioned price performance in your first post, you just said the H100i is crap which is obviously a biased and untrue opinion.

 

Also a 30% increase in clock speed should be worth a 30% increase in price. Especially when a 700MHz difference can be overclocked to over a 1GHz difference between CPUs.

 

People buy this CPU because they use the IGPU for encoding and special tasks that work MUCH faster with an IGPU rather than a graphics card. Also if your graphics card dies it is always nice to be able to still use your PC with an IGPU until you can buy a new GPU.

 

I don't think you have any idea of the usage scenarios for an i7 over a xeon.

 

And BTW you said xeon 120v3 in your post which is NOT a xeon 1230v3

Learn to write.

[Real_PhillBert]

Wow, this thread has taken a turn down a dark road.

 

I think both Xeon's and K processors have their place, I use a 4790k, and I put a E3-1230-V3 in my dad's CAD machine. No reason to get all bent out of shape because people make different CPU choices than you, its their money.

[natelliot123]

buy e3 1246    got igpu  ,little better clock  ,  cheaper than 4790     ,,everyone be happy