fx 6300

[FNNST]

fx 6300 real 6 core or and virtual?

[Guest]

Real, but I'd rather have an i3

[ChipWoodChainSaw]

Real, but I'd rather have an i3

why

[FNNST]

I think between these processes fx 6300,i3 3240,i3 4130

[ForsakenLive]

It's actually a bit more complicated, it features 3 Modules which have only 1 cache pool and 1 floating point processing unit each, but inside this modules there are 2 Integer processing units, and 2 threads available to each as well. So you technically have 6 cores, but they are not what is considered "complete cores". It's still a 6 thread processor.

 

 

why

It has a lot more of single threaded performance, and with the hyperthreading it actually doesn't do bad at multithreaded either, better than the FX 6300 (unless you OC a decent amount).

 

 

I think between these processes fx 6300,i3 3240,i3 4130

Grab the i3 4130 and a 1150 socket motherboard.

[Katsu-K1L]

why

1. its old as shit right now and if you wanted to upgrade you would need to get a new motherboard and throw away ur old one.

2.performance per core is ass compared to intel cpu's

[FNNST]

I can't every year to buy a new processor. So I want to buy the best processor that will serve me for several years, and I think the best fx 6300 because it has 6 cores and good for overclock.

[ChipWoodChainSaw]

It's actually a bit more complicated, it features 3 Modules which have only 1 cache pool and 1 floating point processing unit each, but inside this modules there are 2 Integer processing units, and 2 threads available to each as well. So you technically have 6 cores, but they are not what is considered "complete cores". It's still a 6 thread processor.

 

 

It has a lot more of single threaded performance, and with the hyperthreading it actually doesn't do bad at multithreaded either, better than the FX 6300 (unless you OC a decent amount).

 

 

Grab the i3 4130 and a 1150 socket motherboard.

So i want to record my gameplay and stream (yea just like everyone on the internet) so i should get a i3 and if so which one?

[ForsakenLive]

So i want to record my gameplay and stream (yea just like everyone on the internet) so i should get a i3 and if so which one?

The i3 4150, or 4130 if you can't find it.

If you are looking to stream you might want to step up to the i5 4440.

[i_build_nanosuits]

To both the OP and the thread hijacker:

You should both consider saving some more money to afford something like this that will do good for you for the next years to come:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($184.98 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: MSI H97M-E35 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($74.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $259.97

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-07-30 10:57 EDT-0400

The core i3 IMHO is somewhat good gaming chip but it still only a dual-core and in the long run the modern games uses more threads nowadays and multi-treaded performance on this is not great enough to do things like gaming and streaming or recording or even just for high-end gaming...(by that understand i mean gaming at high framerates when paired with an high-end GPU like the GTX 780 or R9 290 or any other GPU that you might want to go with in the future that will perform similar to those: GTX870 for example... it will bottleneck in some games.)

For the FX the problem it the opposite: It has great multi-threaded performance and can handle a lot of things, but the problem is the per-core performance that is not great enough...when you face a CPU heavy games that do not make good use of more than 2 or 3 threads that thing will slow down to a crawl and even with games that do use more threads you still need bits of data to be fed very quickly and again the CPU cores on the FX arnt quite fast enough for high-end gaming...

the i5-4460 can do both very well making it the perfect cpu to get IMHO.. and as you can see it won't cost that much more.

[ChipWoodChainSaw]

To both the OP and the thread hijacker:

You should both consider saving some more money to afford something like this that will do good for you for the next years to come:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($184.98 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: MSI H97M-E35 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($74.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $259.97

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-07-30 10:57 EDT-0400

The core i3 IMHO is somewhat good gaming chip but it still only a dual-core and in the long run the modern games uses more threads nowadays and multi-treaded performance on this is not great enough to do things like gaming and streaming or recording or even just for high-end gaming...(by that understand i mean gaming at high framerates when paired with an high-end GPU like the GTX 780 or R9 290 or any other GPU that you might want to go with in the future that will perform similar to those: GTX870 for example... it will bottleneck in some games.)

For the FX the problem it the opposite: It has great multi-threaded performance and can handle a lot of things, but the problem is the per-core performance that is not great enough...when you face a CPU heavy games that do not make good use of more than 2 or 3 threads that thing will slow down to a crawl and even with games that do use more threads you still need bits of data to be fed very quickly and again the CPU cores on the FX arnt quite fast enough for high-end gaming...

the i5-4460 can do both very well making it the perfect cpu to get IMHO.. and as you can see it won't cost that much more.

you calling me and thread hijacker!?!?!?!?!?...come at me...BRO!

[ChipWoodChainSaw]

The i3 4150, or 4130 if you can't find it.

If you are looking to stream you might want to step up to the i5 4440.

Okay to the i5-4440 has a lower bench mark then the FX-8350 and right now  its cheaper...so which one would you buy??

 

benchmarks 

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-4440+%40+3.10GHz

 

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-8350+Eight-Core&id=1780

 

the FX-6300 benchmark is not that bad:

 

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-6300+Six-Core

[ForsakenLive]

Okay to the i5-4440 has a lower bench mark then the FX-8350 and right now  its cheaper...so which one would you buy??

 

benchmarks 

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-4440+%40+3.10GHz

 

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-8350+Eight-Core&id=1780

 

the FX-6300 benchmark is not that bad:

 

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-6300+Six-Core

Most of the times, real applications differ from the Synthetic benchmarks, you should use it for quick comparisons, but they are not accurate of what happens on a real scenario.

Like I_Build_Nanosuits said, if you can stretch to the 4460, or 4590, do it.  But the FX 8350 does quite nice with gaming+streaming at the same time, if you can find it for cheap, go ahead.

[i_build_nanosuits]

Okay to the i5-4440 has a lower bench mark then the FX-8350 and right now  its cheaper...so which one would you buy??

 

benchmarks 

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-4440+%40+3.10GHz

 

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-8350+Eight-Core&id=1780

 

the FX-6300 benchmark is not that bad:

 

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-6300+Six-Core

for gaming what you should be looking at is single-core performance, those benchmarks are way too oriented on the multi-threaded results to be accurate in regards to gaming.

If you are mostly going to game with your CPU hands down the i5-4440 is a much better gaming CPU. Also the CPU benchmarking tool from passmark rely a lot on integer based calculations, something at wich the FX do good because they have more of those, but for games it's also a lot dependant on the FPU (floating point unit) and those are SLOW and SHARED between pairs, so you only have one per module (so the FX-6300 only has 3 and the 8 ''core'' has 4 FPU) and this impact gaming performance a lot.

Soooo...overall...forget passmark cpu results it's shit unless you are looking at a 3d rendering and video transcoding chip. For gaming, search the single-threaded results that give you a better idea of how cpu performs within games.

Try in your head to make an average between the single-thread results and the overall results and that would be IMHO the most representative results for gaming.

[ChipWoodChainSaw]

Most of the times, real applications differ from the Synthetic benchmarks, you should use it for quick comparisons, but they are not accurate of what happens on a real scenario.

Like I_Build_Nanosuits said, if you can stretch to the 4460, or 4590, do it.  But the FX 8350 does quite nice with gaming+streaming at the same time, if you can find it for cheap, go ahead.

okay thanks

[thebennyboy]

for gaming what you should be looking at is single-core performance, those benchmarks are way too oriented on the multi-threaded results to be accurate in regards to gaming.

If you are mostly going to game with your CPU hands down the i5-4440 is a much better gaming CPU. Also the CPU benchmarking tool from passmark rely a lot on integer based calculations, something at wich the FX do good because they have more of those, but for games it's also a lot dependant on the FPU (floating point unit) and those are SLOW and SHARED between pairs, so you only have one per module (so the FX-6300 only has 3 and the 8 ''core'' has 4 FPU) and this impact gaming performance a lot.

Soooo...overall...forget passmark cpu results it's shit unless you are looking at a 3d rendering and video transcoding chip. For gaming, search the single-threaded results that give you a better idea of how cpu performs within games.

Try in your head to make an average between the single-thread results and the overall results and that would be IMHO the most representative results for gaming.

 

It depends mostly on the game being played, some run better multi-threaded and some run better single-threaded. In reality though you want a better multi-threaded CPU. The FX6300 is a 6-core CPU and therefore would perform better in games that were multi-threaded. If you were playing a game such as Skyrim that is very single-thread intensive then an i5-4440 would perform better. There are a lot of factors that determine how well a CPU will perform when gaming. How well optimised the game is, multi-threaded/single-threaded performance for the game, performance per core AND the performance of the CPU if all cores are utilized. It also depends on the variables you have said, but that's not the whole picture.

 

The i5-4440 and FX-6300 perform pretty well for their respective prices, you get better price-performance with the FX-6300 but better overall performance on the i5-4440. The FX-6300 has marginally higher power consumption but the FX-6300 is around 1/3 cheaper to buy than the i5-4440. You do have much more overclocking ability with the FX-6300 than with the i5-4440. Other costs need to be factored in such as the motherboard and cpu cooler if overclocking is on the agenda. They are both good CPU's, go for whichever you want. Anyone saying either are bad are not telling you the truth.

[i_build_nanosuits]

It depends mostly on the game being played, some run better multi-threaded and some run better single-threaded. In reality though you want a better multi-threaded CPU. The FX6300 is a 6-core CPU and therefore would perform better in games that were multi-threaded. If you were playing a game such as Skyrim that is very single-thread intensive then an i5-4440 would perform better. There are a lot of factors that determine how well a CPU will perform when gaming. How well optimised the game is, multi-threaded/single-threaded performance for the game, performance per core AND the performance of the CPU if all cores are utilized. It also depends on the variables you have said, but that's not the whole picture.

 

The i5-4440 and FX-6300 perform pretty well for their respective prices, you get better price-performance with the FX-6300 but better overall performance on the i5-4440. The FX-6300 has marginally higher power consumption but the FX-6300 is around 1/3 cheaper to buy than the i5-4440. You do have much more overclocking ability with the FX-6300 than with the i5-4440. Other costs need to be factored in such as the motherboard and cpu cooler if overclocking is on the agenda. They are both good CPU's, go for whichever you want. Anyone saying either are bad are not telling you the truth.

Just like you did i highlighted the part for wich i do not 100% agree with and that is the fact that multi-threaded performance is not that relevant to gaming because the game will only run as fast as the heaviest thread can be processed by the CPU...so in short even if a game do take advantage of more threads and do spread the loads across more CPU cores, there's is still the lowest common dominator to take account of and this is the speed at wich the main threads can be processed. A good example of that would be a new and very CPU extensive game that has just been released recently called Watchdogs...i'm pretty sure you've heard of that game and how ''badly optimised'' it is and stuff like that. BUT, the thing is that watchdogs isn't that badly optimised it's more that it's a very demanding game to run at high framerates and this is because of the stress it puts on the CPU.

See, watchdogs does run 8 somewhat heavy threads, one would think: ''well fine it will run perfectly well on the FX 8 core chip overclocked that i have''...and the answer is...mehh...nope. Why? because watchdogs rely on 3 mainthreads for processing crucial bits of data and as you drive in cars around town there is A LOT of stuff happeing fairly quickly and the city is all ''streaming'' itself across and the CPU has to cope with it and process data VERY fast...something at witch the slower cores of the FX cpu can't do well...changing that to an i7 got rid of the problem entirely...and yes i'm aware that a quad-core 4 thread CPU like the i5 won't run this game to perfection but it's still a little better than the FX 8 ''core'' as i had first hand experience with both by disabling HT on my i7 and playing with lower clockspeed.

Hope this helps you understand the dynamics a little better in regards to gaming and CPU's. I mentionned it a lot of times already a good strong fast quad-core is what is required fo enjoying best games on highest settings...The FX is still a good CPU for it's price, specialy the FX-6300...but still a quad-core i5 will perform better in games due to a much higher IPC.

[LordMustangGT]

I've had no experience with the intel cpus lately , But I built a system for my roommate, cheap and FAST. Used a 6300, and an Asus Sabortooth 990FX. System handles everything thrown at it with ease. Paired with a EVGA 770 2g, it run all games at ultra no problem.