gtx 760 vs r9 280

[nikosgevre]

I have to buy a gpu for my system. So i have to choose one of these. I am an Nvidia fan but the r9 280 is really promising and is almost in the same price. In my country the r9 280 is 30euros cheaper than the gtx 760 but the r9 280x is 40euros more expensive than the gtx 760. If i had the money for the r9 280x i would go with that but my budget is really really tight... Generally i don't want to spend more than 220euros(almost 250$) for gpu. And in some years maybe i will go for two gpu's(sli or crossfire).
Now there is, also, the asus r9 280 strix oc edition 15euros more expensive than the gtx 760 and i don't know if it's worth the more money cause if it does i am willing to spend these 15euros(spesifically if i will buy the gtx 760 gpu i will go with the gigabyte windforce 3x oc edition in 250euros and if i will buy with the r9 280 i will go with the asus directcu II top edition in 195euros).
I have seen some benchmarks and reviews but they seem amlost similar. Nvidia has much much better drivers and updates than amd when it comes to gpu's and the gtx 760 has better clock speeds than the r9 280, but i really like the fact that the r9 280 has 3gb memory instead of the 2gb memory in gtx 760 and the memory buss is higher in r9 280.
What's your opinion and why?
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[tugadude4]

why not wait one more month and get the extra 40 euros for the 280x?

[Mateyyy]

Simple

R9 280 

 

 

If that's not enough for you: The R9 280 has 3GB of memory in the default configuration, where as the 760 only has 2GB. 3GB is going to allow you to play games like Battlefield 4 at 1080p, with Ultra settings and 2xMSAA, without running out of memory. In terms of raw performance, the 280 is quite a bit faster than the 760.

You shouldn't get the Strix version of the 280, it's not really worth it. You should get the XFX R9 280 with their DD cooler. OMG. That cooler is amazing.

[nikosgevre]

why not wait one more month and get the extra 40 euros for the 280x?

Because i will have the 40euros in two months and not in one... Also i have all the parts of my new computer except the graphics card so i'm dying to start play games in it (you know the feeling of buying something new and you want to try it out but you can't...)

 

Simple

R9 280 

 

 

If that's not enough for you: The R9 280 has 3GB of memory in the default configuration, where as the 760 only has 2GB. 3GB is going to allow you to play games like Battlefield 4 at 1080p, with Ultra settings and 2xMSAA, without running out of memory. In terms of raw performance, the 280 is quite a bit faster than the 760.

You shouldn't get the Strix version of the 280, it's not really worth it. You should get the XFX R9 280 with their DD cooler. OMG. That cooler is amazing.

Well im not gonna play only battlefield... Also i read that the xfx is not very worthy at all, plus the cheapest r9 280 is the asus directcu II and i read that the cooling solution and noise reduction are the best in this category so i will propably go with the asus model if i choose to buy the r9 280.

[SymphonyX7]

I have to buy a gpu for my system. So i have to choose one of these. I am an Nvidia fan but the r9 280 is really promising and is almost in the same price. In my country the r9 280 is 30euros cheaper than the gtx 760 but the r9 280x is 40euros more expensive than the gtx 760. If i had the money for the r9 280x i would go with that but my budget is really really tight... Generally i don't want to spend more than 220euros(almost 250$) for gpu. And in some years maube i will go for two gpu's(sli or crossfire).

Now there is, also, the asus r9 280 strix oc edition 15euros more expensive than the gtx 760 and i don't know if it's worth the more money cause if it does i am willing to spend these 15euros(spesifically if i will buy the gtx 760 gpu i will go with the gigabyte windforce 3x oc edition in 250euros and if i will buy with the r9 280 i will go with the asus directcu II top edition in 195euros).

I have seen some benchmarks and reviews but they seem amlost similar. Nvidia has much much better drivers and updates than amd when it comes to gpu's and the gtx 760 has better clock speeds than the r9 280, but i really like the fact that the r9 280 has 3gb memory instead of the 2gb memory in gtx 760 and the memory buss is higher in r9 280.

What's your opinion and why?

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MY build:

intel i5-4690k

asus maximus vii ranger

kingston hyperx fury 8gb 1866mHz(2x4gb)

wd caviar blue 1tb

corsair cx750m (750w and modular psu)

corsair carbide 200r case

I'd stick with the R9 280. The R9 280X is 60 Euros more than the R9 280, since you said the R9 280 is 20 Euros cheaper than the GTX 760 and the R9 280X is 40 Euros more expensive than the GTX 760.

Sure, the R9 280X is faster than the R9 280, but not enough to justify a 60 Euro additional in my opinion.

Just take a look at these. The R9 280 is at the bottom. Not bad for a card that's substantially cheaper.

 

[nikosgevre]

Well tha's a good answer SymphonyX7 thanks. But does the memory capacity in gpu's matter that much? I use only one monitror. Also the gtx 760 has almost 30% higher memory speed and base clock speed and i think that's really what matters in gpu's.

[SymphonyX7]

Well tha's a good answer SymphonyX7 thanks. But does the memory capacity in gpu's matter that much? I use only one monitror. Also the gtx 760 has almost 30% higher memory speed and base clock speed and i think that's really what matters in gpu's.

It's not just the clock speed. Do you really expect a 5 Ghz FX-8320 processor to beat a 4 Ghz i7-4790? Of course not. Anyway, I think you should read this comparison review of the R9 280 vs GTX 760 by KitGuru: http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/msi-r9-280-gaming-v-pny-gtx760-xlr8-185-shootout/22/

 

The GTX 760 got wasted. Even when they overclocked the GTX 760, it still couldn't match the R9 280 at stock clocks. I'll quote KitGuru:

While there are other, slightly higher clocked GTX760 solutions available for less than £200 it was clear that even when we overclocked the PNY GTX760 XLR8 to 1,116mhz, it was still unable to keep up with the MSI R9 280 Gaming at the ‘out of the box’ speeds.

[Mateyyy]

 

Because i will have the 40euros in two manths and not in one... Also i have all the parts of my new computer except the graphics card so i'm dying to start play games in it (you know the feeling of buying something new and you want to try it out but you can't...)

 

Well im not gonna play only battlefield... Also i read that the xfx is not very worthy at all, plus the cheapest r9 280 is the asus directcu II and i read that the cooling solution and noise reduction are the best in this category so i will propably go with the asus model if i choose to buy the r9 280.

 

DirectCU II is good too, but mostly for Nvidia cards.

I have a R9 290 DirectCU II and it runs pretty hot, not even close to what they're saying on the box "20C lower than stock" (the stock card runs at about 95C ._.), maybe it's because I don't have very good airflow in my case, their "CoolTech" fan runs pretty bad, it happened two times so far, it would tick really badly, and I would have to stop it and try to move it a little bit - overall not a very good experience..

 

I've heard some problems about the XFX cooler on an early revision of the 290, from what I know, haven't heard any problems about the 280...

[nikosgevre]

It's not just the clock speed. Do you really expect a 5 Ghz FX-8320 processor to beat a 4 Ghz i7-4790? Of course not. Anyway, I think you should read this comparison review of the R9 280 vs GTX 760 by KitGuru: http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/msi-r9-280-gaming-v-pny-gtx760-xlr8-185-shootout/22/

 

The GTX 760 got wasted. Even when they overclocked the GTX 760, it still couldn't match the R9 280 at stock clocks. I'll quote KitGuru:

Well what about the 280x? Lets say i find the money, is it really that much better than the 280 to worth waiting to buy it? Cause i really like the idea of having gtx 760's clock speeds with 3gb of memory(yeah i am bit stuborn about clock speeds... i still think that 1st thing you need to check on a gpu is the clock speeds and 2nd the memory).

 

DirectCU II is good too, but mostly for Nvidia cards.

I have a R9 290 DirectCU II and it runs pretty hot, not even close to what they're saying on the box "20C lower than stock" (the stock card runs at about 95C ._.), maybe it's because I don't have very good airflow in my case, their "CoolTech" fan runs pretty bad, it happened two times so far, it would tick really badly, and I would have to stop it and try to move it a little bit - overall not a very good experience..

 

I've heard some problems about the XFX cooler on an early revision of the 290, from what I know, haven't heard any problems about the 280...

Well the XFX DD ediiton of r9 280 is 20euros more expensive than the asus directcu II. I will give it a lot of thought...

[Mateyyy]

Well what about the 280x? Lets say i find the money, is it really that much better than the 280 to worth waiting to buy it? Cause i really like the idea of having gtx 760's clock speeds with 3gb of memory(yeah i am bit stuborn about clock speeds... i still think that 1st thing you need to check on a gpu is the clock speeds and 2nd the memory).

 

Well the XFX DD ediiton of r9 280 is 20euros more expensive than the asus directcu II. I will give it a lot of thought...

Read some reviews on the internet!

For video cards, I like to read reviews on guru3D.

[SymphonyX7]

Well what about the 280x? Lets say i find the money, is it really that much better than the 280 to worth waiting to buy it? Cause i really like the idea of having gtx 760's clock speeds with 3gb of memory(yeah i am bit stuborn about clock speeds... i still think that 1st thing you need to check on a gpu is the clock speeds and 2nd the memory).

 

Well the XFX DD ediiton of r9 280 is 20euros more expensive than the asus directcu II. I will give it a lot of thought...

If you really want high clock speeds, just overclock. KitGuru manged to get over 1.1 Ghz on their R9 280. I don't see why you're so intent on having "high clocks". It's just numbers. As said in the review, even when they overclocked the GTX 760 to over 1.1 Ghz, it still couldn't match the R9 280 running at 970 Mhz. Also, you should consider that the R9 280X only runs a bit higher. 970 Mhz to 1,050 Mhz, depending on the manufacturer. No one sells a factory overclocked R9 280X that's over 1.1 Ghz, except Sapphire which sells the R9 280X Toxic edition which has core clocks of over 1.1 Ghz. It's almost as fast as the GTX 780, but consumes more power than an R9 290.  :lol: So I'd avoid the Toxic edition, even if it is the fastest R9 280X available.

Besides, the biggest draw of the R9 280 is its 384-bit bus and 3 GB of VRAM. You can't max out settings at 1080p on many new games with just 2 GB of RAM. 3 GB will allow you to do so.

As for which R9 280, just get whichever's the cheapest. The R9 280 isn't a very hot card anyway, so most coolers don't have much of a difference in cooling performance. Here's a short list though: if you want the most reliable cooler, get a Sapphire. If you want the most quiet, get an MSI.

[Doughnutnator]

I would stay away from multiple GPU's. About the card, get the 280, I was in the same situation.

I don't remember where I read that, but some people say that is better to buy mid-range GPU's because a lot of people buy them and doesn't lose too much value.

For example, you buy the 280, play and enjoy the card for 1 year, next GPU's come out, you sell the 280 for a decent price so now you don't have to spend the full price of the GPU. Someone correct me if i'm wrong

[Razzaa]

Buy a used 290 off ebay from a reputable seller imo. Thats what I did anyway. I got a 290 for 220$ and OC'd it to 1250/1600. It runs like a beast!! I was even able to transfer the warranty because its a MSI and they go by serial number!!

[nikosgevre]

Well, generally, i don't trust used items especially computer parts cause nobody says the exact use time... Computer parts have a life span which depends on the use (hardcore use means less life span) and the time being used so i am not gonna buy a used gpu.
 

I would stay away from multiple GPU's. About the card, get the 280, I was in the same situation.

I don't remember where I read that, but some people say that is better to buy mid-range GPU's because a lot of people buy them and doesn't lose too much value.

For example, you buy the 280, play and enjoy the card for 1 year, next GPU's come out, you sell the 280 for a decent price so now you don't have to spend the full price of the GPU. Someone correct me if i'm wrong

As for your thought it sounds good but i dont like selling my gpu to buy a new one... it's to complicated. I would like to buy a new gpu now and maybe in 2-3 years, depending on the money i make(cause i am a university studen so i don't make a lot of money), i will buy another gpu for sli/crossfire or a better one to replace my existing gpu.

[ComradeHX]

Well, generally, i don't trust used items especially computer parts cause nobody says the exact use time... Computer parts have a life spam which depends on the use (hardcore use means less life spam) and the time being used so i am not gonna buy a used gpu.

 

As for your thought it sounds good but i dont like selling my gpu to buy a new one... it's to complicated. I would like to buy a new gpu now and maybe in 2-3 years, depending on the money i make(cause i am a university studen so i don't make a lot of money), i will buy another gpu for sli/crossfire or a better one to replace my existing gpu.

By the time when even used(I'm assuming around 3 months of 24/7 mining...etc.) gpu dies; you would have the money(and lots of incentive) to upgrade.

 

Crossfire isn't always the correct solution.

[Razzaa]

Well, generally, i don't trust used items especially computer parts cause nobody says the exact use time... Computer parts have a life spam which depends on the use (hardcore use means less life spam) and the time being used so i am not gonna buy a used gpu.

As for your thought it sounds good but i dont like selling my gpu to buy a new one... it's to complicated. I would like to buy a new gpu now and maybe in 2-3 years, depending on the money i make(cause i am a university studen so i don't make a lot of money), i will buy another gpu for sli/crossfire or a better one to replace my existing gpu.

Thats what a warranty is for. If u want to pay full price for a card that is mediocre and wont be viable very long, by all means. Not many cards last 2-3 years if you are playing current games.

Alot of people by used for less than half price and never have any problems. Just because something is new doesn't mean it wont be DOA. To each there own ofc

Life span for most high end cards is 50 -100k hours btw.

[nikosgevre]

I still don't think i will buy a used gpu.
As for the life span of the gpu's, my old pc has a gt 630 and is working fine after 4 years of medium use and not hardcore gaming. So i think that if i buy a new one is gonna work fine for the next 2-3 years of hardcore gaming. As for the performance it will offer me (fps-resolution in games) in 2-3 years i am sure that is going to be very low cause new and more intensive games are coming out as years pass. That's why i was thinking of buying an exactly same card with lower price (logical) in 2 years for crossfire or even a new gpu if i can afford it.

[I/O]

Not many cards last 2-3 years if you are playing current games.

Where are you getting your info from Rookie ? Stop shit posting please LOL .

[Razzaa]

Where are you getting your info from Rookie ? Stop shit posting please LOL .

Really? You have a 3 year old card playing watch dogs or bf4 at high res?

Lol who is shit posting......

[I/O]

Really? You have a 3 year old card playing watch dogs or bf4 at high res?

Are you saying the will crap out and die after three years of use or that they will no longer offer reasonably playable framerates after three years ? Oh and the GTX 690 is a three year old card and it will play all modern games.

[Razzaa]

Are you saying the will crap out and die after three years of use or that they will no longer offer reasonably playable framerates after three years ? Oh and the GTX 690 is a three year old card and it will play all modern games.

Reasonable framerates is interpreted differently by each user based on what they play. Games are becoming more vram intensive. In 3 years from now a 2 or 3gb card most likely will not perform very well on FPS games at all. A 280 isnt comparable to a gtx 690.

[I/O]

Reasonable framerates is interpreted differently by each user based on what they play. Games are becoming more vram intensive. In 3 years from now a 2 or 3gb card most likely will not perform very well on FPS games at all. A 280 isnt comparable to a gtx 690.

Reasonable framrates are over 30fps decent it 40 to 60fps and anything over 60 is optimal with 120fps being the gold standard.

[CreativeTHC]

760 is not even as good as a 670... so goo all the way with r9 280, and if you get more money soon and u're able to buy a 280x, still go for 280x, cuz a gtx 770 is like $60-$100more and very few more fps, very few u.u. But, if you look around, there are ppl that still have hd 7970 with 6years warranty at $200 price, just ask here and there. i got a deal like that for my cousin.

[Razzaa]

Reasonable framrates are over 30fps decent it 40 to 60fps and anything over 60 is optimal with 120fps being the gold standard.

Thats what I mean.......by my standards anything under 60fps @ 1080p on max settings isnt reasonable for me.

I would never recommend a NEW 280 at this point. When someone can get a used 290 for the same price. A used 290 if purchased smartly will take you alot further down the road. Like I have already stated, to each there own I dont think that is talking shit at all. I am just stating my opinions.

[nikosgevre]

I think every card worth 200 and more euros (mid-end and high-end gpu's) will play almost everything 2 years with normal fps(30fps) in high and not very high settings. But that's logical. My laptop's gpu is the gt 540m and i was playing crysis 3 in high setting with 25fps and crysis 2 in very high setting with 35-40 fps. Why not the r9 280 or the gtx 760 will not play a game corresponding to what crysis 3 is now in 2 years with same fps? This performance is reassonable and acceptable (for me at least). So yeah its true that in 2 years the gpu i will buy now for 200euros will not perform very well but it's not gonna die!! It will die likely in 4-5 years of continuoues hardcore gaming.
 

760 is not even as good as a 670... so goo all the way with r9 280, and if you get more money soon and u're able to buy a 280x, still go for 280x, cuz a gtx 770 is like $60-$100more and very few more fps, very few u.u. But, if you look around, there are ppl that still have hd 7970 with 6years warranty at $200 price, just ask here and there. i got a deal like that for my cousin.

Well i don't trust used things and i don't think i will ever buy a used part for my computer... even if the part is still in the waranty i prefer to buy a new gpu.