792p - "Next-gen" Consoles Vs PC - WTF?

[Joe_Easy]

love this video. Mad scientist kind of stuff to cut through the Marketing Hype.

 

Science always wins boys and girls...can't beat a PC Master Race geek..I mean engineer...they have math and stuff to win arguments with 

[monstercameron]

love this video. Mad scientist kind of stuff to cut through the Marketing Hype.

 

Science always wins boys and girls...can't beat a PC Master Race geek..I mean engineer...they have math and stuff to win arguments with 

If you do something, at least do it right. This farcical video makes no mention of:

• Price
• die size
• power consumption
• heat output
• programming models[hsa]
• raw gpu performance[flops]
• memory

I am sure there are other variables not mentioned, that only shows how haphazardly, they produced this video for their circle-jerk of an audience.

P.S. I do like their WAN show.

[LukaP]

 

If you do something, at least do it right. This farcical video makes no mention of:

• Price
• die size
• power consumption
• heat output
• programming models[hsa]
• raw gpu performance[flops]
• memory

I am sure there are other variables not mentioned, that only shows how haphazardly, they produced this video for their circle-jerk of an audience.

P.S. I do like their WAN show.

 

it was said in the video that this is just a thought experiment and not something to be taken seriously...

[Kevinkt]

not even public. 30k views. GG

[pk-man]

I like how Linus is sitting off to the side "working"....

[imdavidh96]

There is so much autisim in the comments

[fojacko]

I didn't get the point of this video. Yes, OFC a 480 is going to beat current gen consoles, the 480 was the most powerful of the 400 series. That's like saying that a Lamborghini Countach is faster than a Peugeot 107, just because it's old doesn't mean it's going to go slower.

 

A fairer test would be a GTX 550ti, 560 or 560ti. You know, something that didn't cost £400 at launch (the 560 ti cost £240 at launch in the uk).

[lilc]

 

If you do something, at least do it right. This farcical video makes no mention of:

• Price
• die size
• power consumption
• heat output
• programming models[hsa]
• raw gpu performance[flops]
• memory

I am sure there are other variables not mentioned, that only shows how haphazardly, they produced this video for their circle-jerk of an audience.

P.S. I do like their WAN show.

 

It was mentioned in the video that this experiment was to compare the raw gpu power between the two, nothing else.

 

 

I didn't get the point of this video. Yes, OFC a 480 is going to beat current gen consoles, the 480 was the most powerful of the 400 series. That's like saying that a Lamborghini Countach is faster than a Peugeot 107, just because it's old doesn't mean it's going to go slower.

 

A fairer test would be a GTX 550ti, 560 or 560ti. You know, something that didn't cost £400 at launch (the 560 ti cost £240 at launch in the uk).

 

The 480 was used to show a vireity of permances, as it overclocks and underclocks well. It wasn't just 480 vs console.

[fojacko]

It was mentioned in the video that this experiment was to compare the raw gpu power between the two, nothing else.

 

 

 

The 480 was used to show a vireity of permances, as it overclocks and underclocks well. It wasn't just 480 vs console.

 

Or they could've used different cards (1 low, 1 mid and 1 high end card from nvidia 500 and 600 series and amd's 6000 and 7000 series) to show a true variety. I like these kind of videos, but frankly this one was half-assed and not thought through properly.

[harrynowl]

Or they could've used different cards (1 low, 1 mid and 1 high end card from nvidia 500 and 600 series and amd's 6000 and 7000 series) to show a true variety. I like these kind of videos, but frankly this one was half-assed and not thought through properly.

The idea was to see what impact clockspeed has on gaming performance to achieve a 'next gen' experience, he chose GTX480 because of the wide clock range. Adding more graphics cards to the equation adds more variables and adds very little to the original question.

[fojacko]

The idea was to see what impact clockspeed has on gaming performance to achieve a 'next gen' experience, he chose GTX480 because of the wide clock range. Adding more graphics cards to the equation adds more variables and adds very little to the original question.

Well, that isn't mentioned in the video.

 

This is exactly what is said at the beginning of the video.

 

how much graphics horsepower is needed to deliver the console grade experience in watch dogs versus how much raw power it would need to deliver a pc grade experience

Using my car comparison before, if i did a race between the 2 cars, but i said i would only put my foot down with different amounts of pressure. It's still a lambo vs a peugeot.

 

To me, a much more accurate way to find that out is to use different cards of different generations. You'll narrow it down to exactly what grade gpu you would get a console experience at, and what grade gpu you would get a pc experience at. (eg - gtx550 for a console grade experience and a gtx 660 for a pc experience).

 

My other gripe is that they used watch dogs which isn't optimized at all. But i understand they used it because it's the game that was advertised to show what the current gen consoles are capable of.

[harrynowl]

Well, that isn't mentioned in the video.

 

This is exactly what is said at the beginning of the video.

Using my car comparison before, if i did a race between the 2 cars, but i said i would only put my foot down with different amounts of pressure. It's still a lambo vs a peugeot.

 

To me, a much more accurate way to find that out is to use different cards of different generations. You'll narrow it down to exactly what grade gpu you would get a console experience at, and what grade gpu you would get a pc experience at. (eg - gtx550 for a console grade experience and a gtx 660 for a pc experience).

 

My other gripe is that they used watch dogs which isn't optimized at all. But i understand they used it because it's the game that was advertised to show what the current gen consoles are capable of.

http://youtu.be/tYG-7T2LVDc?t=1m41s

 

He mentioned he's only looking at clockspeed here.

 

And for comparison GTX480 = GTX 570 which is roughly similar performance to GTX660.

 

For team red the 480 is equivalent to a 7850 which is about the same as a 6950 and around 10-15% faster than a 5870.

[AuXDubz]

LMAO, next-gen? more like 720p-gen-again   

 

[atrash]

All these console bashing pcmustardrace videos and threads in general inside this forum are really getting lame and tiring tbh.

[Makol]

This video is more of a old gpu vs a Xbox One since since the main res they're testing against is 792p. 

 

iirc the PS4 has a handful of 720p games (I think) but mostly has 900p and 1080p games. The Xbox One has a butt load of 720p games with a few at 1080p or 900p.

 

 

This deserves a new investigation between us the forum minions and hopefully input from tech channels that participated in Highlander. For over the past year people had been speculating that the XBO was gonna have a 7790 and the PS4 was gonna have a 7870. After seeing demonstrations like this it doesn't seem correct. People had been saying the Wii U was a HD 4xxx series equivalent BTW, less than a 6770.

The Wii U's gpu is still mostly unknown. It's based on the R700 family which would put somewhere in the 4xxx line, but newer dev kits have something in the 5xxx/6xxx line. 

[GeathX]

I'm actually a little surprised at some of what was said in the video, showing that the guys are more just being swept up in the pcmasterrace train than actually doing some research into the differences between consoles and PCs.

Fine with people on the forum not looking into the fine details of subjects, but the people in charge of the website and publicly put them selves out there, I guess I didn't quite expect this kind of mentality. 

[Maxibonbits]

That video was completely ridiculous. I can't believe it was approved to go onto the channel.

[Davehaslanded]

 

If you do something, at least do it right. This farcical video makes no mention of:

• Price
• die size
• power consumption
• heat output
• programming models[hsa]
• raw gpu performance[flops]
• memory

I am sure there are other variables not mentioned, that only shows how haphazardly, they produced this video for their circle-jerk of an audience.

P.S. I do like their WAN show.

 

I dont think any of this is that important. If your looking at this purely from a gaming stand point, then the only relevance is how many FPS and at what resolution. How it does it, isn't important. When i eat at a restaurant, i want a good meal. Not interested how the chef prepared it and how long it cooked for.

[KingLewie2152uk]

It's called poking the bear, folks! Just look at the amount of views it's had so far, and it's not even been up for 1 day yet!

 

The PC vs Console debate is always going to be bias....just like the PC vs Mac one.  Get used to it.  It's called friendly banter, unless you come across the raging, obsessive fanboys.  Either way, a console update was good for everyone, it's just I'm sure people were disappointed that Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo spent most of their money marketing turd, and they haven't really pushed the envelope with this batch on a hardware level!

 

I, for one, am interested in waiting to see what they do at a "cloud" level.  Whether they offset some of the rendering to an Onlive-type system, meaning the consoles will be future proof.  Would be good to see if they've already built in some kind of module into the source code, ready to plug in to this type of solution!  Suddenly the consoles get a small update and it's like someone just turned on the LHC!

 

By the way, watch Transcendence....it's cool!

[Speedstack79]

lol at the people who assume the world depends on this experiment so all variables must be considered

[MrTomnus]

 

If you do something, at least do it right. This farcical video makes no mention of:

• Price
• die size
• power consumption
• heat output
• programming models[hsa]
• raw gpu performance[flops]
• memory

I am sure there are other variables not mentioned, that only shows how haphazardly, they produced this video for their circle-jerk of an audience.

P.S. I do like their WAN show.

 

 

I also thought the point of the video was to show that a graphics card that is 4 years old is capable of outperforming a machine that was released less than a year ago. It's not just about price. You can buy this GPU secondhand which will cost about $60 and still get a better experience than you would get from a current gen console. In other words, the technology to outperform this hardware is already around for a very reasonable price, so why didn't they include it in the consoles?

 

At least they could have made a low end and a high end console. Then everybody gets the best of both worlds. A premium for the best experience possible with the "convenience" of a console, or a low price point with a machine that is still capable of playing those games.

[Builder]

I also thought the point of the video was to show that a graphics card that is 4 years old is capable of outperforming a machine that was released less than a year ago. It's not just about price. You can buy this GPU secondhand which will cost about $60 and still get a better experience than you would get from a current gen console. In other words, the technology to outperform this hardware is already around for a very reasonable price, so why didn't they include it in the consoles?

 

At least they could have made a low end and a high end console. Then everybody gets the best of both worlds. A premium for the best experience possible with the "convenience" of a console, or a low price point with a machine that is still capable of playing those games.

As I've said before, mass production is a whole other animal. I believe that the Xbox and PS4 both have an SoC, which greatly reduces complexity and power consumption. The complexity of an actual graphics card would raise the price by a lot, you'd need separate power delivery and separate cooling. That's what a lot of comparisons to PCs don't take into account. They need to be able to reliably produce several million of these, so the simpler the parts the better.

 

Low end and high end consoles is a terrible idea. You fragment the market and force people to decide how they want their games to look. The whole point of a console is that you don't have to decide what parts you want, you just buy it and play your games.

[IdortMasterRace]

All these console bashing pcmustardrace videos and threads in general inside this forum are really getting lame and tiring tbh.

 

This. Feels good owning both PC and consoles, to get the best of both worlds, instead of hurling dirt around like children arguing about whether "MUH PC" or "MUH CONSOLE" is better.

[Victorious Secret]

This video wasn't friendly banter, this was feeding into the misinformation and circle jerk. Logical people know PCs offer many advantages over consoles. Why lie and use loaded tests? We don't need to do that. 

 

 

I own both. I play both. I'm not so insecure in my preferences that I need to justify one over the other. Live and let live. I know my PC is superior for certain games, but my console is superior in others. Tough shit. It happens. It can happen. 

 

 

Last I checked, Halo 3 wasn't even 720p or anywhere close to 60fps. Yet it was one of the single most played games I've ever owned. Thousand of hours. More than anything on the PC, more than even CSS and I love playing CSS. So sue me that I can stand a "inferior" game that doesn't have high numbers. 

 

Sometimes, numbers are just numbers. Both sides can co-exist peacefully. Why resort to FUD to prove dominance? This makes you guys no better than the near satire level but also scarily serious PCMasterRace fanboys. 

[Makol]

iirc, Halo 3 was locked to 30fps and ran at something like 640p