Help with new ($1000) ($US) PC (No Graphics Card)

[Ritsukashy]

I need a new PC since my current laptop is dying and i would rather get a desktop instead of a laptop. Im not the best when it comes to parts either really since i am normally only building PC's not picking it out.

 

All i want this PC for is gaming and some video editing and photo editing as well as school work. the 1,000 budget is for everything except the graphics card since I am going to get a gtx 770 within the next month or so and i already have a 1080p monitor as well a KB+M this also excludes operating system. I would prefer intel over amd but i guess i can be convinced if needed. My main game focus on this system would be Battlefield 4, Planetside 2, League of Legends, as well as Elder Scrolls Online And Tera. also i don't mind stock cooler for the cpu as i will probably get a better cooler later and overclock the cpu then so main focus would be on processor, motherboard, ram, power supply, case, and hard drive but i do have a 500GB drive here so its optional. i would like to have some expandability on the PC itself so if i ever feel like adding some sort of capture card and such but i don't plan on crossfire or sli.

 

Sorry for the big description since I have never asked the forum for anything so i just want to clarify as best i can

 

Thank You for the help :3 

 

BTW no need for a DVD/CD Drive sorry for not having it here earlier

[Wtalk2]

Location? And again do you need an OS or not?

 

Derp :3 Sorry

[SAV1OUR]

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU:  Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($209.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler:  Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard:  Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD4H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($159.99 @ Micro Center)
Memory:  Kingston Beast 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Storage:  Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($149.99 @ NCIX US)
Case:  Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($84.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply:  Corsair RM 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $909.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-23 23:06 EDT-0400)

[SAV1OUR]

Location? And again do you need an OS or not?

says in the title

[Wtalk2]

This build will give you awesome performance in nearly any task. and paired with a GTX 770 it will do amazing in gaming.

 

CPU:  Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($299.99 @ Amazon) 

CPU Cooler:  be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 93.3 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler  ($89.99 @ NCIX US) 

Motherboard:  Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD4H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($159.99 @ Micro Center) 

Memory:  G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($69.99 @ Newegg) 

Storage:  Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($149.99 @ NCIX US) 

Case:  Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($84.99 @ Micro Center) 

Power Supply:  Corsair RM 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($89.99 @ TigerDirect) 

Operating System:  Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($89.98 @ OutletPC) 

Total: $1034.91

 

I know for gaming a i7 isn't needed but it will really help in video editing and if you can afford it you might as well get it. Also use the 500GB HDD for storing pictures and movies if you need more space than the 250GB SSD.

[Faceman]

I need a new PC since my current laptop is dying and i would rather get a desktop instead of a laptop. Im not the best when it comes to parts either really since i am normally only building PC's not picking it out.

 

All i want this PC for is gaming and some video editing and photo editing as well as school work. the 1,000 budget is for everything except the graphics card since I am going to get a gtx 770 within the next month or so and i already have a 1080p monitor as well a KB+M this also excludes operating system. I would prefer intel over amd but i guess i can be convinced if needed. My main game focus on this system would be Battlefield 4, Planetside 2, League of Legends, as well as Elder Scrolls Online And Tera. also i don't mind stock cooler for the cpu as i will probably get a better cooler later and overclock the cpu then so main focus would be on processor, motherboard, ram, power supply, case, and hard drive but i do have a 500GB drive here so its optional. i would like to have some expandability on the PC itself so if i ever feel like adding some sort of capture card and such but i don't plan on crossfire or sli.

 

Sorry for the big description since I have never asked the forum for anything so i just want to clarify as best i can

 

Thank You for the help :3 

With your budget, anything less than a GTX 780 would be a failure to allocate resources properly.  We can build your entire PC, including a top of the line GPU for just over $1100.

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3xqiu

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3xqiu/by_merchant/

Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3xqiu/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($209.99 @ Amazon)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($29.98 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: Asus Z87-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($129.99 @ Amazon)

Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($68.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: PNY XLR8 PRO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($59.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($54.98 @ OutletPC)

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Superclocked ACX Video Card  ($499.99 @ NCIX US)

Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case  ($39.99 @ Newegg)

Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($45.00)

Total: $1138.90

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-23 23:08 EDT-0400)

 

Buy that case now before it goes back up in price.  $80 case for $40?? Buy it now.

Be on a lookout for the Corsair CX600M, goes on sale for $45 often, great PSU.  You won't find a better performing and quiet PSU for this price.  Also semi-modular.

Get the least expensive 8GB(4GBx2) 1600Mhz, 9-9-9-24, 1.5v RAM you can find.  Brand doesn't matter.

Buy the Cooler Master 212 EVO, really good CPU cooler, and a lot easier to get from the start because it has to be installed onto the motherboard.

Get the least expensive Z87 motherboard that is either SLI capable or not depending on your needs.  Shouldn't be spending more than $100 on an SLI capable motherboard. Motherboard doesn't impact performance.

Get an i5-4670k, for your needs, this is the perfect CPU.  If you live near a MicroCenter, you can pick one up in-store for $180, and get a compatible motherboard for $30 off.  Really good deal.

Nothing impacts performance more than the GPU.  You want to spend 40%-50% of your overall budget on the GPU.  Again, anything less than a 780 and you didn't spend your money properly.

SSDs all perform the same for day-to-day tasks, get at least a 120GB SSD, any brand.  There is a 240GB SSD for $90 if you want to double down.

[Izaya Orihara]

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3xqIC

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3xqIC/by_merchant/

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CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($299.99 @ Amazon) 

CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock 3 113.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler  ($69.99 @ NCIX US) 

Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty Z87 Killer ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($99.99 @ Newegg) 

Memory: G.Skill AEGIS 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($129.99 @ Newegg) 

Storage: A-Data Premier Pro SP900 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($119.99 @ TigerDirect) 

Storage: Western Digital WD Green 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($84.99 @ Newegg) 

Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Blackout with Window ATX Mid Tower Case  ($109.99 @ NCIX US) 

Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($84.99 @ NCIX US) 

Total: $999.92

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-23 23:21 EDT-0400)

[creativename]

Something like this

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3xqRF

 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

 

CPU:  Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($309.99 @ Newegg) 

CPU Cooler:  Noctua NH-U12S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($62.99 @ Amazon) 

Motherboard:  Asus Z87-Pro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($166.99 @ Newegg) 

Memory:  A-Data XPG V2 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 

Storage:  Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($109.99 @ NCIX US) 

Case:  Fractal Design Define R4 Blackout ATX Mid Tower Case  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 

Power Supply:  SeaSonic S12G 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  ($77.99 @ Mwave) 

Operating System:  Microsoft Windows 8 Professional (OEM) (64-bit)  ($145.78 @ OutletPC) 

Total: $1015.71

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-23 23:27 EDT-0400)

[Ritsukashy]

Wow so much help in such little time O_O and thanks didn't think 1000 was that much for a good pc but i guess i was proven wrong also i guess i can get a 780 but just gunna need to wait a extra week on my side of things then

[creativename]

With your budget, anything less than a GTX 780 would be a failure to allocate resources properly.

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3xqiu

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3xqiu/by_merchant/

Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3xqiu/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($209.99 @ Amazon)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($29.98 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: Asus Z87-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($129.99 @ Amazon)

Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($68.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: PNY XLR8 PRO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($59.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($54.98 @ OutletPC)

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Superclocked ACX Video Card  ($499.99 @ NCIX US)

Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case  ($39.99 @ Newegg)

Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($45.00)

Total: $1138.90

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-23 23:08 EDT-0400)

 

Buy that case now before it goes back up in price.  $80 case for $40?? Buy it now.

Be on a lookout for the Corsair CX600M, goes on sale for $45 often, great PSU.  You won't find a better performing and quiet PSU for this price.  Also semi-modular.

Get the least expensive 8GB(4GBx2) 1600Mhz, 9-9-9-24, 1.5v RAM you can find.  Brand doesn't matter.

Buy the Cooler Master 212 EVO, really good CPU cooler, and a lot easier to get from the start because it has to be installed onto the motherboard.

Get the least expensive Z87 motherboard that is either SLI capable or not depending on your needs.

Get an i5-4670k, for your needs, this is the perfect CPU.  If you live near a MicroCenter, you can pick one up in-store for $180, and get a compatible motherboard for $30 off.  Really good deal.

Nothing impacts performance more than the GPU.  You want to spend 40%-50% of your overall budget on the GPU.  Again, anything less than a 780 and you didn't spend your money properly.

SSDs all perform the same for day-to-day tasks, get at least a 120GB SSD, any brand.  There is a 240GB SSD for $90 if you want to double down.

OP said he doesn't need a GPU. i5-4670k is not the perfect CPU. For what he's doing, he would benefit from the 4770k. Hyper 212 isn't a really good CPU cooler, its a decent cooler for the price, nothing special. and with haswell and what's he's doing, he benefits from faster ram, so 1866 should be recommended, not 1600. And why settle for a cheap PSU like the CX series when he has a grand.

[Guest]

...he said the GPU is outside of the budget.

 

I hate it when people say that a build is "unbalanced" or even "failure" if there's no uber-powerful GPU in it. Not everyone needs a GTX 780 for gaming; as he said, he will get a 770, which is more than enough for 1080p gaming. He's not really on that much of a budget, so he can afford to get some quality components in the other departments as well such as the case, PSU and motherboard. That's what I would call balanced.

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3xqQF

 

See, that wasn't so hard, was it? The noctua's in there just for the lulz, i am a sucker for Noctua products, but it goes to show that you can invest in some quality with $1000 excluding the GPU. Same goes for the case.

 

Also, 1866 is nice because Haswell likes fast RAM. Does void your warranty to run anything at about 1600, but you're OCing anyways so w/e. 4670K is a good price-perf ratio, doesn't mean it's perfect; CX600M is cheap and good for the price, doesn't mean everyone wants it.

 

The LP Vengeance RAM should go nicely with the silver/blue/black board. Completely your choice, there are many options out there for 2x4GB 1866 C9.

[Ritsukashy]

also i have never shopped at microcenter or outlet pc before are they good? just don't wanna get stuck with some crazy long shipping time

[Wtalk2]

also i have never shopped at microcenter or outlet pc before are they good? just don't wanna get stuck with some crazy long shipping time

Idk much about OutletPC but MicroCenter is great and has amazing deals

[Guest]

You can change them all to Newegg/NCIX, it'll add $20 to the price. 

 

Must also add that to correct the previous poster's comments, no, not all 120GB SSDs perform the same. SSDs are not made equal, and shouldn't be treated that way. If PNY was as good as Samsung and Intel then those two would've been out of the business long ago.

[Faceman]

OP said he doesn't need a GPU. i5-4670k is not the perfect CPU. For what he's doing, he would benefit from the 4770k. Hyper 212 isn't a really good CPU cooler, its a decent cooler for the price, nothing special. and with haswell and what's he's doing, he benefits from faster ram, so 1866 should be recommended, not 1600.

     You have no effing idea what you are talking about.  The i5 is the perfect CPU for his needs.  I included the GPU to show him that a top of the line build can be accomplished for around $1100 with GPU.  The Hyper 212 EVO is an amazing. I repeat, amazing CPU cooler.  You get more performance for $30 than any other cooler.  I have an i5 OC'd to 4.7Ghz @ 1.275v with a Hyper 212 EVO and the highest temperature I have ever recorded was 77C while stress testing.  He will not benefit from 1866Mhz RAM.  The difference from 1333Mhz to 3000Mhz RAM is 2%, the difference from 1600 to 1866 is less than a single percent.

 

Look at this Haswell Guide to RAM

 

Seriously, you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Faceman]

You can change them all to Newegg/NCIX, it'll add $20 to the price. 

 

Must also add that to correct the previous poster's comments, no, not all 120GB SSDs perform the same. SSDs are not made equal, and shouldn't be treated that way. If PNY was as good as Samsung and Intel then those two would've been out of the business long ago.

For day-to-day tasks, SSDs all perform the same.  The Samsung's and Intels get such high marks because it is for very large file transfers, something the average user probably won't do often.  Also, its only a matter of time, you can pay $30 to cut down your transfer time from 5min to 3min.  Not worth it in my opinion.

 

Also, I'm curious about what you found unbalanced in my build?  The build I created is very balanced and will perform much better than the build he intends to create.

You don't need an i7 unless you are doing some kind of professional work and really need to cut down 2min off your rendering.  Its just time.  Be patient with your file transfers and rendering so you can save moolah.

[Guest]

I don't think the point is getting across with you. Stop accusing others of being unknowledgeable. I have no idea why you are such a sucker for the CX600M, Hyper 212 EVO and PNY SSDs. This guy is not planning on making a budget build. Putting PNY solid state drives in a $1400 build is a failure.

 

I never claimed that Samsung and Intel SSDs are faster. I'm talking about NAND quality here. Last time I checked, PNY didn't offer any sort of toolbox to manage SMART and run TRIM. Sure, anyone can run TRIM via command, but this is just one more reason why larger, more experienced manufacturers are preferred over ones like PNY.

 

From the exact Anandtech article, in conclusion

 

"For discrete GPU users, recommending any kit over another is a tough call.  In light of daily workloads, a good DDR3-1866 C9 MHz kit will hit the curve on the right spot to remain cost effective.  Users with a few extra dollars in their back pocket might look towards 2133 C9/2400 C10, which moves a little up the curve and has the potential should a game come out that is heavily memory dependent."

[Ritsukashy]

oh i should mention that i don't need a DVD/CD Writer since i have an asus one here already 

[Guest]

Oh, then that's just $20 extra to keep. No big deal. Not like it's going to affect a major part of your build.

[Faceman]

I don't think the point is getting across with you. Stop accusing others of being unknowledgeable. I have no idea why you are such a sucker for the CX600M, Hyper 212 EVO and PNY SSDs. This guy is not planning on making a budget build. Putting PNY solid state drives in a $1400 build is a failure.

 

I never claimed that Samsung and Intel SSDs are faster. I'm talking about NAND quality here. Last time I checked, PNY didn't offer any sort of toolbox to manage SMART and run TRIM. Sure, anyone can run TRIM via command, but this is just one more reason why larger, more experienced manufacturers are preferred over ones like PNY.

 

From the exact Anandtech article, in conclusion

 

"For discrete GPU users, recommending any kit over another is a tough call.  In light of daily workloads, a good DDR3-1866 C9 MHz kit will hit the curve on the right spot to remain cost effective.  Users with a few extra dollars in their back pocket might look towards 2133 C9/2400 C10, which moves a little up the curve and has the potential should a game come out that is heavily memory dependent."

The parts all work.  There is absolute nothing wrong with them, they perform and function the way they are designed to perform. 

CX600M is a great performing, great value.  He won't experience any kind of performance difference by spending $60+ on a PSU.

PNY SSD works, it is still going to function and perform the same tasks as the Samsung.

The Hyper 212 EVO being a sucker purchase?  Get your head checked.

 

Check the actual benchmarks, the difference between the 1866 and 1600 is so small, that it doesn't warrant an additional $10.

 

Be gone with you peasant.  I'm done talking with you.

[Ritsukashy]

as for quality over price i would prefer a good balance but since i'm not familiar with most manufacturers or product quality i dont know whats really good or not

[Wtalk2]

The parts all work.  There is absolute nothing wrong with them, they perform and function the way they are designed to perform. 

CX600M is a great performing, great value.  He won't experience any kind of performance difference by spending $60+ on a PSU.

PNY SSD works, it is still going to function and perform the same tasks as the Samsung.

The Hyper 212 EVO being a sucker purchase?  Get your head checked.

 

Check the actual benchmarks, the difference between the 1866 and 1600 is so small, that it doesn't warrant an additional $10.

 

Be gone with you peasant.  I'm done talking with you.

I agree that all those products are great quality and price for budget builds but this is not a budget build. I own a CX600M and I agree it is a great PSU but it is only bronze efficiency, semi-modular and is kinda just average, for a bit more he can get a much higher quality PSU that will last a lot longer.

 

There is a reason why PNY SSD's haven't taken over the market. They just aren't as fast or as good quality as SSD's from Intel or Samsung or other big manufacturers. Once again they are OK for budget build but you might as well spend the extra $30 or $40 if it mean higher speeds and a more reliable drive overall.

 

Lastly, the Hyper 212 EVO is another great value part but it is at the lower end of CPU coolers and is still kind of budget oriented. Something like a Noctua D-14 or a Be Quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 would be a much better choice for a build at this price-point.

[Ritsukashy]

pls no fight u make me cri

[dragoon20005]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

 

CPU:  Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($299.99 @ Amazon) 

CPU Cooler:  Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($78.99 @ Newegg) 

Motherboard:  MSI Z87-G43 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($114.99 @ NCIX US) 

Memory:  G.Skill Trident X 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($164.99 @ Newegg) 

Storage:  Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($80.99 @ Amazon) 

Storage:  Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($56.98 @ OutletPC) 

Case:  Cooler Master N600 Windowed ATX Mid Tower Case  ($95.98 @ Newegg) 

Power Supply:  Corsair RM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($119.33 @ OutletPC) 

Total: $992.24

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-24 00:13 EDT-0400)

[xMRxWHOMBUSx]

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU:  Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($209.99 @ Amazon)

CPU Cooler:  Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($29.98 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard:  Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD4H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($159.99 @ Micro Center)

Memory:  Kingston Beast 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($144.99 @ Newegg)

Storage:  Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($149.99 @ NCIX US)

Case:  Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($84.99 @ Micro Center)

Power Supply:  Corsair RM 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($129.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $909.92

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-23 23:06 EDT-0400)

I would switch the hyper evo 212 for an h100i. Just makes me feel better while OCing.