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Slow Boot Time on 840 Evo

Hey guys,

 

I'm just going to get straight to the point - my Samsung 840 Evo SSD boots to Windows 7 64bit in about 50 seconds. From what I understand, the drive should be a lot faster than this.

 

My motherboard only has SATA 2 headers, so understandably the boot time will not be as fast as the same drive in a SATA 3 header, but surely it shouldn't decrease the performance by that much. I've installed Samsung Magician to try and optimize the drive and have done everything possible in the software to improve it, however this made no difference; I even enabled RAPID mode which practically doubled my read/write speeds but made no difference in boot time. After looking through many other forums, I've enabled AHCI and made sure trim is also enabled, updated my SATA driver to the latest available for my motherboard and made loads of tweaks in the BIOS which other people have claimed improved their boot time; yet still there is no improvement what so ever.

 

Surely I must be missing out a crucial setting somewhere that is causing the boot time to be this slow. This only other thing I can think of is that I have an additional 2 HDDs connected to my motherboard, which may have something to do with it decreasing boot time even though my OS is installed to the SSD.

 

My system specs:

ASUS M5A78L-M USB3 Motherboard

AMD FX-4170 Processor

16Gb Ram

EVGA GTX 660 2gb

Samsung 840 Evo 120Gb SSD

Seagate Barracuda 1Tb HDD

Old Seagate 150Gb HDD

 

Any solutions that you think may help will be greatly appreciate. Thanks in advance for your time.

 

All the best,

Pugizimo

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Maybe try a different port, or try windows 8??

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Maybe try a different port, or try windows 8??

 

I've had a go at changing the ports around, with no effect. I've been considering upgrading to Windows 8 as it does mention faster boots times, but if I'm honest I don't really like the OS; I much prefer Windows 7.

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What kind of read speeds are you getting?

Compatible with Windows 95

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What kind of read speeds are you getting?

 

622 MB/s read in the Samsung Magician benchmark

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If your on SATA 2 then that might be the problem. SATA 2 supports up to 300MB/s. SATA 3 supports up to 600MB/s. I think the drive's speed should be 540MB/s so it might be the interface bottleneck.

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622 MB/s read in the Samsung Magician benchmark

is this a fresh install of windows?

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Check how many things are running at startup, type msconfig into the start menu then go to the startup tab.

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is this a fresh install of windows?

 

Nope, it's been running since Christmas

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Check how many things are running at startup, type msconfig into the start menu then go to the startup tab.

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If your on SATA 2 then that might be the problem. SATA 2 supports up to 300MB/s. SATA 3 supports up to 600MB/s. I think the drive's speed should be 540MB/s so it might be the interface bottleneck.

 

See I was thinking this, but I enabled RAPID mode on the drive and the benchmark results are saying the read is 622MB/s

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Try to reduce that, if you don't know what's safe to turn off post a screenshot.

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See I was thinking this, but I enabled RAPID mode on the drive and the benchmark results are saying the read is 622MB/s

I would try other benchmarking tools, especially if your using the same tool that is from the people who manufactured it. Even software can be biased ;)

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Try to reduce that, if you don't know what's safe to turn off post a screenshot.

 

I'm not too sure how to insert an image, so here is a Gyazo of the msconfig window http://gyazo.com/497092a029808f56fc169428130490c2 I've closed as many as I can that I know wont affect my PC, are there any others that are safe to close?

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I would try other benchmarking tools, especially if your using the same tool that is from the people who manufactured it. Even software can be biased ;)

 

 

Here you go guys, http://gyazo.com/e6b3d55a786cb14d8592c40b3a817065 Wasn't too sure what settings to use so I hope this is okay

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I'm not too sure how to insert an image, so here is a Gyazo of the msconfig window http://gyazo.com/497092a029808f56fc169428130490c2 I've closed as many as I can that I know wont affect my PC, are there any others that are safe to close?

Hmm I'm not too sure about a lot of those especially since I can't see the application path. I would try disabling the top 5 and seeing if you have any issues when you reboot, you can always re-enable them if you need to. The bottom 4 I would leave alone.

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Hmm I'm not too sure about a lot of those especially since I can't see the application path. I would try disabling the top 5 and seeing if you have any issues when you reboot, you can always re-enable them if you need to. The bottom 4 I would leave alone.

 

I disabled the top 5, and everything booted okay. When I get into Windows, everything ran a bit smoother, I could open up Chrome for example straight away without having to wait for the lag of applications opening to go away, however it didn't really have an affect on the boot time itself

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there are a few things that come to my mind

 

 

1. booting is lightning fast with SSDs not because of raw data that needs to be transferred but because of LOTS of small files that need to be loaded. since SSDs mainly have small access times for a single block they are this fast. being able to transfer data at high speeds is just a bonus but not the main advantage. 

2. If you feel like booting from your SSD is slow, the question is, where is the bottleneck. at boot the computer does various things. You press the power button and then all the controllers are getting initiated. After that the BIOS/UEFI loads. Then various tests are performed, RAM, and this stuff. Then it checks boot data. After that the magic of an SSD comes forth because then the OS loads and basic tasks that were handled by the BIOS before this point is transferred to the operating system.

 

I highly doubt there is a problem with the SSD itself, or your OS, I think you got some wrong settings in your BIOS but to really know that the question is: how long your system stays in BIOS and when does it start to load the OS. I would assume that your BIOS performs extended RAM tests or waits for Netboot before your OS actually loads and that slows down the general booting. Some UEFIs cache informations for future startups so that it doesn't need to check for Controllers or doesn't have to fully initialize them to perform even faster booting. It's hard to tell though what exactly your problem is.

 

 

Even if you boot an OS with shitloads of additional programs at startup it shouldn't bother an SSD to this extend (50 seconds). It has to be something with BIOS/UEFI settings

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there are a few things that come to my mind

 

 

1. booting is lightning fast with SSDs not because of raw data that needs to be transferred but because of LOTS of small files that need to be loaded. since SSDs mainly have small access times for a single block they are this fast. being able to transfer data at high speeds is just a bonus but not the main advantage. 

2. If you feel like booting from your SSD is slow, the question is, where is the bottleneck. at boot the computer does various things. You press the power button and then all the controllers are getting initiated. After that the BIOS/UEFI loads. Then various tests are performed, RAM, and this stuff. Then it checks boot data. After that the magic of an SSD comes forth because then the OS loads and basic tasks that were handled by the BIOS before this point is transferred to the operating system.

 

I highly doubt there is a problem with the SSD itself, or your OS, I think you got some wrong settings in your BIOS but to really know that the question is: how long your system stays in BIOS and when does it start to load the OS. I would assume that your BIOS performs extended RAM tests or waits for Netboot before your OS actually loads and that slows down the general booting. Some UEFIs cache informations for future startups so that it doesn't need to check for Controllers or doesn't have to fully initialize them to perform even faster booting. It's hard to tell though what exactly your problem is.

 

 

Even if you boot an OS with shitloads of additional programs at startup it shouldn't bother an SSD to this extend (50 seconds). It has to be something with BIOS/UEFI settings

 

Thanks for the time you spent responding to this, I really appreciate it. What you say about the test being performed, ever since I installed my SSD and formatted my system the screen that appears before the OS used to be very simple and had the motherboard logo on, however now a different logo appears with something to do with American Megatrends; lots of scrolling text appears and you can actually see the system confirming theses tests. This never used to happen before the SSD was installed so I think you're right in saying that it has something to do with the BIOS settings. I'll have a search and let you know if I find anything that improves the boot up time, thanks once again for the help  :)

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actually the logo that appeared before just was sort of a layover. The one with American Megatrends always ran in the back, it's the bios itself. There are just 2 companies or so that develop the BIOS and every other company that produces motherboards are using these BIOS versions. and they cover it up with a bios screen that can be turned off in the bios itself. try the following: press delete while the system boots, navigate to the tab on the right side where you can safe the bios and stuff, and reset it to default settings. possibly you have to fix the order of your boot devices after that (in your bios again and after a reboot, check it though if your computer boots without a problem though) but i trust in your ability to solve that, it's not difficult.

 

 

good luck

 

 

/edit: In general you can meddle around a bit in the bios without a problem this way since you can reset it to default settings anytime. that's the way i got accustomed to it, have a second computer ready to google the abbreviations in case you are unsure but try'n error is possible here. Lots of things are auto-detected nowadays, no setting of master/slave IDE drives any more and so on, it's almost foolproof on consumer Motherboards, so just try out different things. The BIOS is a system that handles Input/Output before the Operating System comes into action, if you manage to wreck the settings to your boot device it just won't start, no changes will be made to it so setting it to default settings will solve the problem if you messed up the settings. There comes the name from - Basic Input Output System aka BIOS. UEFI is just the new generation of BIOS it has got extended functions but it serves the same purpose

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actually the logo that appeared before just was sort of a layover. The one with American Megatrends always ran in the back, it's the bios itself. There are just 2 companies or so that develop the BIOS and every other company that produces motherboards are using these BIOS versions. and they cover it up with a bios screen that can be turned off in the bios itself. try the following: press delete while the system boots, navigate to the tab on the right side where you can safe the bios and stuff, and reset it to default settings. possibly you have to fix the order of your boot devices after that (in your bios again and after a reboot, check it though if your computer boots without a problem though) but i trust in your ability to solve that, it's not difficult.

 

 

good luck

 

 

/edit: In general you can meddle around a bit in the bios without a problem this way since you can reset it to default settings anytime. that's the way i got accustomed to it, have a second computer ready to google the abbreviations in case you are unsure but try'n error is possible here. Lots of things are auto-detected nowadays, no setting of master/slave IDE drives any more and so on, it's almost foolproof on consumer Motherboards, so just try out different things. The BIOS is a system that handles Input/Output before the Operating System comes into action, if you manage to wreck the settings to your boot device it just won't start, no changes will be made to it so setting it to default settings will solve the problem if you messed up the settings. There comes the name from - Basic Input Output System aka BIOS. UEFI is just the new generation of BIOS it has got extended functions but it serves the same purpose

 

Thanks for the advise, I'll be sure to have a bit of a mess around in the BIOS then. Just one more thing however, I was looking in the event viewer to see all of my boot times, and it seems that the first 4 boots of my PC after I installed Windows were around 20 seconds. This proves that I should be able to get the fast boot time I am looking for, but it is so strange that it was fast for the first few times then suddenly went back up to around the minute mark. I'm thinking that I may have changed something in the BIOS to make it jump that far, so hopefully resetting it will work. Thanks once more for all the help 

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that's a possibility, then again installing drivers for chipset/GPU will slow down booting time a bit, but with an SSD it shouldn't be more than 5 seconds

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that's a possibility, then again installing drivers for chipset/GPU will slow down booting time a bit, but with an SSD it shouldn't be more than 5 seconds

 

Ahh okay. I completely reset the BIOS to factory settings and no change was made really, I've enabled all the fast boot settings in the BIOS as well but that still doesn't have an affect. I think I'll just leave it an accept it wont be as quick as it should now, it's only a matter of 20 seconds anyway, it's just annoying knowing that it should be better, but ahh well. Thank you for your interest and wish you the very best :)

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one last thing: can you tell me how long it takes till the American Megatrends screen vanishes and then how long it takes for everything that happens after that until booting finished?

 

I'm not ready to give up on this just yet

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