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Canadian Bill S-4 threatens online privacy, may open door to US-style lawsuits

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http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/04/14/digital-privacy-act-canada_n_5147704.html

 

 

 

The Harper government’s Digital Privacy Act is being billed as “protection for Canadians when they surf the web and shop online,” but critics say it amounts to a wholesale threat to the privacy rights it ostensibly aims to enshrine.

 

To me this whole thing just sounds nuts. It seems like no matter how many times a change in law means citizens rights are violated, privacy is compromised, or more frivolous lawsuits are encouraged, there's just no point at which the people in power in this country stop to consider the rights of those to whom they are accountable.

 

Keep an eye on this one, Canadians, they're up to their same old tricks.

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Have you ever heard of C-SEC?

 

 

Anyway, you can't stop it, they have a majority.

The attitude that wrongdoing cannot be stopped and therefor we should not even bother trying to oppose it is the sort of thing that encourages more wrongdoing. 

 

A generation of politically disinterested and inactive citizens is exactly what governments like this want.

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Blame the conservative people in western Canada

That's actually an interesting opinion.

 

Traditionally the vote in the west has been regarded as nearly irrelevant given how much of the Canadian population is in the east.

http://www12.statcan.ca/census-recensement/2011/dp-pd/hlt-fst/pd-pl/Table-Tableau.cfm?LANG=Eng&T=101&SR=1&S=10&O=A

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Ontario and Quebec have the swing vote, I voted Jack Layton, what a charismatic man he was, but in the end I think we can all just blame canada

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Have you ever heard of C-SEC?

 

 

Anyway, you can't stop it, they have a majority.

 

Then vote them out next time and vote for the party who supports scrapping the bill. Don't you just love democracy?

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Then vote them out next time and vote for the party who supports scrapping the bill. Don't you just love democracy?

 

What if there is no side that support scrapping the bill? I don't like democracy.

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What if there is no side that support scrapping the bill? I don't like democracy.

 

Make your own party. Protest to raise awareness. Just complain to your local member who supports the bill that no one will vote for him (he/she then loses their cushy, easy, over paid job).

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This isn't the only threat on the table.

Little Stevie Harper and his cronies are also trying to revise the electoral process with the apparent long-term goal of reducing voter turn-out and increasing fraud in their favour:

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2014/03/12/three_ways_harpers_bill_c23_undermines_democracy.html

 

Voting is important. When you ignore the politicians, they get up to things like this, things that have a whiff of 1930s Germany about them.

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bumpin this up because I do believe it's important.

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This is just f@#$ing ridiculous! Harper needs to go ASAP.

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So, this is how we go down huh?

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Don't Canadians have better things to do like get a puck into a goal?

 

 

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This is just f@#$ing ridiculous! Harper needs to go ASAP.

Can't wait for Sept 2015 tbh.

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I heard the crack smoking mayor will defend your Internet rights, for a ball of crack that is.

 

I enjoy that man o so much.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q_uLzEljo8

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I heard the crack smoking mayor will defend your Internet rights, for a ball of crack that is.

 

I enjoy that man o so much.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q_uLzEljo8

LOL just poking fun at our mayor once again. I still have no clue why everyone is so caught up with this tbh. As a Torontonian, it breaks front page maybe once a month...maybe even less.

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LOL just poking fun at our mayor once again. I still have no clue why everyone is so caught up with this tbh. As a Torontonian, it breaks front page maybe once a month...maybe even less.

I like that mayor..... He is a real dude, so what if he likes crack; isn't that a personal thing, and not a public thing?

 

I should read about him, but i enjoy the fact he has smoked crack, and is open about it; god damn that's respectable; not the crack smoking part, but being that open about it as a mayor. 

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Have you ever heard of C-SEC?

 

 

Anyway, you can't stop it, they have a majority.

Is it wrong that my first thought when reading that was Garrus Vakarian?

 

These bills are getting real tiresome lately.. Feels like every few days a new bill pops up :(

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Americans laws suck you dont want them. look at obamacare their like we dont want health care thats for hippies 

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A little more info from the Vancouver Sun http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Canada+Digital+Privacy+lets+companies+share+customers+personal+info+privacy+critics+warn/9737736/story.html

 

 

 

“Unpack the legalese and you find that organizations will be permitted to disclose personal information without consent (and without a court order) to any organization that is investigating a contractual breach or possible violation of any law,” Geist wrote in his blog. “This applies both past breaches or violations as well as potential future violations. Moreover, the disclosure occurs in secret without the knowledge of the affected person (who therefore cannot challenge the disclosure since they are not aware it is happening).”

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While I disagree with that portion of the bill, the bill in general is a welcome change (and I feel like playing Devil's Advocate today).  It forces companies to notify of breaches...imagine with the CRA losing nearly a thousand SIN numbers, and not reporting it....for corporations there are no penalties for keeping it quite.

 

In terms of the conditions, I will admit I didn't read the full bill, but from my quite scan of it it could just come down to the wording and extrapolating the bad side of it. (Which btw I like the original source of this one http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/7106/125/)

To quote the quote of it

 

an organization may disclose personal information without the knowledge or consent of the individual... if the disclosure is made to another organization and is reasonable for the purposes of investigating a breach of an agreement or a contravention of the laws of Canada or a province that has been, is being or is about to be committed and it is reasonable to expect that disclosure with the knowledge or consent of the individual would compromise the investigation;

From my understanding of this, it is only disclosing without the consent or knowledge of the person IF it would compromise an investigation...now I could be wrong but if it was downloading copyrighted material, the crime has already happened and I would imagine it wouldn't compromise the investigation to reveal the data (btw they already are allowed to disclose the information without your consent in this case, I think at the moment they just have to inform you first)...to a lesser extent, I can understand where the government is trying to go with this (the wording might need refining).  There have been a lot of cases of cyber-bullying at least in BC in recent memory, and a few of those cases the law enforcement had their hands tied (at least by the sounds of it).

 

It should be noted that the corporations are only granted immunity if they followed the law of disclosure, if you can prove that they shouldn't have been allowed to disclose it they are still liable...the only real difference is now they can disclose to other corporations without the risk of lawsuits (which btw they were already basically granted of doing, it is just they have slightly less incentive to protect the consumer in lawsuits).

 

The last thing to understand is it is a bit crazy to say "may open door to US-style lawsuits", because we have additional laws that prevent them demanding hundreds of thousands.  To speak of the conservative government, lets review a few other changes they have made.  Mainly the limitation of the amount of damages a company can seek (I believe it is at max $100), the S-4 bill as well does have benefits to it (with people focusing on one portion of the bill).  Again the example of the CRA losing the SIN's of people, imagine how many other attacks there were that companies aren't reporting (after all if they disclose breaches it opens the companies up to lawsuits, if they hide the breach and hope no one finds out no one will sue them).

 

I guess the bottom line is where do you draw the line in the sand. While the government is suppose to be for the people, what many people don't understand is there has to be a balance between what is the best for a single person and their privacy, and what is best overall.  No government is perfect, whether it is conservative, ndp, liberal or PQ...each one does implement changes that are seen as an affront to privacy, one time or another.

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I'm conservative. I don't support everything they do, but I think the majority of the things they do are aight.

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Then vote them out next time and vote for the party who supports scrapping the bill. Don't you just love democracy?

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I'm conservative. I don't support everything they do, but I think the majority of the things they do are aight.

Serious question, not trolling.

 

How do you feel about their increasing attacks on the democratic process? Do you think that they're weeding out problems or that they're infringing upon the freedoms of the citizens to whom they were elected to answer?

 

Obviously, as a bit of a libertarian my inclination is toward the later, but I do want to hear your opinion on the matter, and the reasons behind it.

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