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I solved it.  In the repair guides I never saw it say for this specific repair one needed to remove the power button red ring indicator.  In order to remove the mobo you need to do this.  Solved.  Thanks to anyone who read this and looked at the videos and tried to help.  Hopefully my new thermal paste will fix the problems I was having.  I had 3 red lights which is overheating so.

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Holy crap is this a *****!  I had no problem getting the casing removed and doing the usual to clean it for dust but now I find that Microsoft makes it a complete ***** to remove the motherboard from the case.  I have pushed all the tabs I can find and this board will not release from the housing.  Even after getting that done there is some sort of X-Clamps which are stupid.  The thing is not secured to the motherboard with screws like a normal pc.  Anyway so frustrated right now.  I thought I was going to get to enjoy this second time of fixing my Xbox 360 FAT but no.  I get what Microsoft did as they want customers to just buy new consoles if not under warranty or pay some idiotic fee for them to fix it but I don't do that sort of thing.  If I can fix it on my own I will.  Anyway anyone ever get to this part of repairing an Xbox 360 FAT and had the same problem as me?  Here is a video showing the stage I am at and it isn't going as easy for me as it did for this guy.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anNmu6Qk2bE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzW4jwUygP0

Unlike the videos and what they show the motherboard will not come out of the damn housing for me. I am so angry.

Too many ****ing games!  Back log 4 life! :S

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I solved it.  In the repair guides I never saw it say for this specific repair one needed to remove the power button red ring indicator.  In order to remove the mobo you need to do this.  Solved.  Thanks to anyone who read this and looked at the videos and tried to help.  Hopefully my new thermal paste will fix the problems I was having.  I had 3 red lights which is overheating so.

Too many ****ing games!  Back log 4 life! :S

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If I had of seen this I could of helped :(

 

I used to do loads of stuff on the Xbox 360 (flashing, JTAG (never did it but I know how), installed disk emulator, repairs, replacements)

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If I had of seen this I could of helped :(

 

I used to do loads of stuff on the Xbox 360 (flashing, JTAG (never did it but I know how), installed disk emulator, repairs, replacements)

Well the Xbox 360 is dead even with me putting new thermal paste on everything.  RIP Xbox 360!  I took care of you too late and even then you may have been at death's door.

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Well the Xbox 360 is dead even with me putting new thermal paste on everything.  RIP Xbox 360!  I took care of you too late and even then you may have been at death's door.

Have you tried replacing the x clamps with washers?

 

That is quite a common fix.

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Have you tried replacing the x clamps with washers?

 

That is quite a common fix.

I ran it bare bones on my floor and got two red lights.  It says it is overheating but shouldn't be after I put thermal paste on properly on both the cpu and the gpu.  I guarantee the sucker is dead. :S

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I ran it bare bones on my floor and got two red lights.  It says it is overheating but shouldn't be after I put thermal paste on properly on both the cpu and the gpu.  I guarantee the sucker is dead. :S

You should try what I said..

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You should try what I said..

 

I'm curious why you're so convinced washers will make the unit come back to life when TLC with thermal paste didn't?

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I'm curious why you're so convinced washers will make the unit come back to life when TLC with thermal paste didn't?

It has worked plenty of other times and it's the common fix for RROD.

 

The X Clamps cause warp in the motherboard and washers improves contact if I remember correctly.

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It has worked plenty of other times and it's the common fix for RROD.

 

The X Clamps cause warp in the motherboard and washers improves contact if I remember correctly.

The thing has been set out on the floor without the casing and doesn't need washers for that and does not work.  It is dead.  I wish it wasn't but it is.

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The thing has been set out on the floor without the casing and doesn't need washers for that and does not work.  It is dead.  I wish it wasn't but it is.

No you aren't getting it.

 

http://www.thecoupondepot2006.com/Xbox_360_repair_guide_files/image002.jpg

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It has worked plenty of other times and it's the common fix for RROD.

 

The X Clamps cause warp in the motherboard and washers improves contact if I remember correctly.

The clamp method should be fine, it is the solder balls that breaks

 

in 2006 a new legislation came that solder must not contain lead except in medical and army industry if necessary

That meant that one of the alloys that kept the solder flowing and flexible is gone, now they had time to create a new alloy without lead

Early attempts were not successful. RROD with Xbox, YLOD with PS3, and failure to boot with many laptops thanks to soldered chips.

Basically what happens is that over many heat cycles (eg you turn on the console, runs 100% heats up, then you suddenly shut it down) make the solder balls under the CPU to break and lose contact. The washer+bolt method basically applies large pressure on the chip, way more it is designed to and it is not good for the chip, with overheating the processors or applying heat you barely remelt the solder balls, that flows a little bit, so for a brief moment there is contact. But after usage, these balls breaks again or the chip dies of the pressure

Ultimate solution: desolder the CPU/GPU, replace the solder balls, and resolder it.

The problem is that the chips are using Ball Grid Array (BGA) and that means, you cannot solder it from the outside with let say a soldering iron.

You must use a device, that heats up the board from below, and the chip from above evenly and only those areas, so you are not going to kill any other components, with an exact heat, around 380 C degree, so the solder balls just melts, so you can remove the chip.

After that you must reattach new, better solder balls, that "must not" contain lead, and reattach the chip with the BGA reflow machine at around 380C degrees

 

A BGA reflow machine costs around £2000, one with various heads and infrared bed to heat the PCB. There are cheaper and more expensive options out there too, but not too cheaper

 

Any other solution, the washers, reheating, "oven reflow" are sketchy and you should not expect long life from the xbox, but as it is expensive to reball a processors it worth to get an xbox from the later generations, Falcon/Opus and newer (175W or less consumption) as the solderballs are fixed at them

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Not only a fellow Xbox repairmen but also a Belfastmen!

I live in Portadown but go to tech in Millfield, so I might count as 50% Belfastmen then?

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