More cores = more GHz?

[princedudezilla]

I recently saw Linus' video of the Xeon and its 12 cores. He said that it was clocked to 2.7 Ghz but then explained that it was 2.7Ghz to EACH CORE. Does this mean that the Xeon would be COMPLETELY maxed out to 32GHz??

It might seem like a dumb question but please answer because I'm planning on getting an FX-6300 with 6 cores and planning to utilise all dem corez!

[Akolyte]

nope.  2.7GHZ on each core, but across all the cores.  So, for example when overlcocking Haswell we just call it 4.4GHZ, yet its 4.4GHZ on every core. 

 

If you understand that? 

[harrynowl]

Each core would still be 2.7GHz/turbo.

[princedudezilla]

nope.  2.7GHZ on each core, but across all the cores.  So, for example when overlcocking Haswell we just call it 4.4GHZ, yet its 4.4GHZ on every core. 

 

If you understand that? 

Oooohh. Okay I kinda get it now. So more cores would be better in quite a lot cases.

Thanks.

[yurihellsing]

Yeah I've always wanted to know this too so is it just xxxGHz for the whole chip or is it xxxGHz X (the ammount of cores) ?

[xiaolongstan]

If it fully uses a single core, it's 2.7, if it's fully using 2 cores it's 5.4 GHz etc. However it rarely uses 100% on each core.

[princedudezilla]

If it fully uses a single core, it's 2.7, if it's fully using 2 cores it's 5.4 GHz etc. However it rarely uses 100% on each core.

So it's only multiplying the GHz when in 100% utilisation?

[Faceman]

Oooohh. Okay I kinda get it now. So more cores would be better in quite a lot cases.

Thanks.

No, more cores is not always better.  What are you planning to do with your machine?

[princedudezilla]

No, more cores is not always better.  What are you planning to do with your machine?

30% - gaming

10% - photo editing

60% - browsing the internet with 30+ tabs open

[xiaolongstan]

So it's only multiplying the GHz when in 100% utilisation?

No, if it uses 2 cores at 90% each then it's 4,86 GHz, i meant that you can't just do 2.7 x 12.

[Faceman]

So it's only multiplying the GHz when in 100% utilisation?

No.  Look at this below picture:

Each core can run at a maximum of 4500Mhz or 4.5Mhz for this specific example.  It is not multiplied because there are 4 cores.

[Faceman]

What kind of games will you be playing?  Give specifics.

[princedudezilla]

No.  Look at this below picture:

Each core can run at a maximum of 4500Mhz or 4.5Mhz for this specific example.  It is not multiplied because there are 4 cores.

I feel kinda stupid now lol.

Thanks, this explains pretty much everything.

[princedudezilla]

What kind of games will you be playing?  Give specifics.

Probably some AAA titles like BF4, etc. But most of the time it'll be indie/small titles like Battle Block Theater and others like that.

[Faceman]

Probably some AAA titles like BF4, etc. But most of the time it'll be indie/small titles like Battle Block Theater and others like that.

If you love Indies, you want to get an Intel processor.  Those games, and games in general benefit greatly from having strong powerful cores, which is what Intel brings to the table.  AMD's FX lineup offers more "cores" but they are weak, and not many programs can utilize all dem cores.  I """ the Cores for FX because their "cores" share resources, so it is not a true 6 core.  If you have the budget, an i5 would be the best, if not, an i3 is still an incredibly powerful processor, and if you are on a super tight budget, the Pentium G3258 is a beast once overclocked.

 

What is your overall budget for the entire system, do you need everything?  Need OS, monitor, mouse, keyboard, speakers, etc... or do you have components that can be reused?

[Akolyte]

Oooohh. Okay I kinda get it now. So more cores would be better in quite a lot cases.

Thanks.

yeah, so when your overclocking your cpu to 4.3GHZ for example.  That clock is on all cores.  So every core runs at that speed to keep speeds consistant.  So therefore a XEON running at 2.7GHZ would be slower than a 4670k running at 4.3GHZ in gaming and everyday tasks. 

[xiaolongstan]

yeah, so when your overclocking your cpu to 4.3GHZ for example.  That clock is on all cores.  So every core runs at that speed to keep speeds consistant.  So therefore a XEON running at 2.7GHZ would be slower than a 4670k running at 4.3GHZ in gaming and everyday tasks. 

Unless the game can use more cores than the 4670K provides.

[Jey R.]

Basically all cores will have about same frequencies but when rating the ghz speed you go by core 0. And all the cores will work at that specify speed independently.

[Jey R.]

yeah, so when your overclocking your cpu to 4.3GHZ for example. That clock is on all cores. So every core runs at that speed to keep speeds consistant. So therefore a XEON running at 2.7GHZ would be slower than a 4670k running at 4.3GHZ in gaming and everyday tasks.

Quite right but not entirely, while xeon might be clocked at slower speed the amount of cores will compensate for the performance.

[Faceman]

Linus seriously needs to do a video about hyperthreading and games and how many cores/threads are being utilized.  I am going crazy talking to people who dont have a clue.

[princedudezilla]

If you love Indies, you want to get an Intel processor.  Those games, and games in general benefit greatly from having strong powerful cores, which is what Intel brings to the table.  AMD's FX lineup offers more "cores" but they are weak, and not many programs can utilize all dem cores.  I """ the Cores for FX because their "cores" share resources, so it is not a true 6 core.  If you have the budget, an i5 would be the best, if not, an i3 is still an incredibly powerful processor, and if you are on a super tight budget, the Pentium G3258 is a beast once overclocked.

 

What is your overall budget for the entire system, do you need everything?  Need OS, monitor, mouse, keyboard, speakers, etc... or do you have components that can be reused?

I'll only be reusing a monitor from another PC but that's it. Everything else is going to be bought. My budget was about $1030 AUD.

Here's the link: http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/kx8kHx

[xiaolongstan]

Linus seriously needs to do a video about hyperthreading and games and how many cores/threads are being utilized.  I am going crazy talking to people who dont have a clue.

They did a techquickie on hyperthreading.

[Faceman]

I'll only be reusing a monitor from another PC but that's it. Everything else is going to be bought. My budget was about $1030 AUD.

Here's the link: http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/kx8kHx

Ok, so that is a sizeable budget, and you will get some good performance from that, it is all about prioritizing what is most important for your PC.

 

       First, you play Indie games, so you have to get strong Intel cores.  If you bought an FX processor and tried to run your single core Indie Games, you would be really upset.  Second, you will have to decide if you want an i3 + an SSD or an i5.  I recommend that you buy an i3 + SSD because the Indie games that you play will play the same on an i3 as an i5, but the AAA Titles like BF4 and games to be released in the future will run better with the i5.  It comes down to what games you think you will be playing.  If you play Indie Games a lot more than AAA titles, the i3 and SSD will serve you well, but if you want to play AAA games and really anything you fancy now and in the future, the i5 will be better.  If you could increase your budget to $1,100 you could get the best of both worlds by getting an i5 + SSD. You will not be able to overclock either of these builds, but you have the option to in the future if you ever bought a (k) series processor. The SSD is really nice for new computers because it makes the computer very fast and snappy, really giving you that new computer feel.  Having your operating system installed on your SSD makes your system blazing fast, booting up and powering down happens in less than 10 seconds.  Everything else, such as games and media will go on your HDD. 

     Your GPU needs to be an R9 280 at the very least.  That is the best performing GPU for the money and will give you plenty of longevity.  The R9 280 Windforce is a very good card.  I know an Enermax PSU sounds kind of scary, but don't be afraid.  I did some research and that model of Enermax PSU is made by the same manufacturer that makes Corsair's CX Series, so it will be the same components, with a different name. Don't get a very expensive case.  It is better to spend your money on components that have a direct impact on performance, and case is not one of them.  Buy a case that will fit everything, while looking aesthetically pleasing.  In the future, you can upgrade it by adding premium case fans, but your money is best spent on core components that have a direct impact on your playing experience.

 

If you went with the i3 + SSD, it would look like this:

PCPartPicker part list: http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/HtNwmG

Price breakdown by merchant: http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/HtNwmG/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i3-4150 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($127.00 @ Centre Com)

Motherboard: MSI Z97 PC MATE ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($130.00 @ Centre Com)

Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($105.00 @ CPL Online)

Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($83.00 @ Centre Com)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($62.00 @ Centre Com)

Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 280 3GB WINDFORCE Video Card  ($259.00 @ CPL Online)

Case: Cooler Master K280 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ Mwave Australia)

Power Supply: Enermax 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($85.00 @ CPL Online)

Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WN881ND 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter  ($17.00 @ CPL Online)

Other: Windows 8.1 64bit (OEM) ($115.00)

Total: $1032.99

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-24 12:40 EST+1000

 

If you went with the i5 build, it would look like this:

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/jWydGX

Price breakdown by merchant: http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/jWydGX/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($201.00 @ PCCaseGear)

Motherboard: MSI Z97 PC MATE ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($130.00 @ Centre Com)

Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($105.00 @ CPL Online)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($62.00 @ Centre Com)

Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 280 3GB WINDFORCE Video Card  ($259.00 @ CPL Online)

Case: Cooler Master K280 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ Mwave Australia)

Power Supply: Enermax 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($85.00 @ CPL Online)

Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WN881ND 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter  ($17.00 @ CPL Online)

Other: Windows 8.1 64bit (OEM) ($115.00)

Total: $1023.99

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-24 12:49 EST+1000

 

These are two very good builds that remain at your budget.  Each build has its own benefits and purpose.  It depends what you are trying to get out of your system.

[princedudezilla]

Ok, so that is a sizeable budget, and you will get some good performance from that, it is all about prioritizing what is most important for your PC.

 

       First, you play Indie games, so you have to get strong Intel cores.  If you bought an FX processor and tried to run your single core Indie Games, you would be really upset.  Second, you will have to decide if you want an i3 + an SSD or an i5.  I recommend that you buy an i3 + SSD because the Indie games that you play will play the same on an i3 as an i5, but the AAA Titles like BF4 and games to be released in the future will run better with the i5.  It comes down to what games you think you will be playing.  If you play Indie Games a lot more than AAA titles, the i3 and SSD will serve you well, but if you want to play AAA games and really anything you fancy now and in the future, the i5 will be better.  If you could increase your budget to $1,100 you could get the best of both worlds by getting an i5 + SSD. You will not be able to overclock either of these builds, but you have the option to in the future if you ever bought a (k) series processor. The SSD is really nice for new computers because it makes the computer very fast and snappy, really giving you that new computer feel.  Having your operating system installed on your SSD makes your system blazing fast, booting up and powering down happens in less than 10 seconds.  Everything else, such as games and media will go on your HDD. 

     Your GPU needs to be an R9 280 at the very least.  That is the best performing GPU for the money and will give you plenty of longevity.  The R9 280 Windforce is a very good card.  I know an Enermax PSU sounds kind of scary, but don't be afraid.  I did some research and that model of Enermax PSU is made by the same manufacturer that makes Corsair's CX Series, so it will be the same components, with a different name. Don't get a very expensive case.  It is better to spend your money on components that have a direct impact on performance, and case is not one of them.  Buy a case that will fit everything, while looking aesthetically pleasing.  In the future, you can upgrade it by adding premium case fans, but your money is best spent on core components that have a direct impact on your playing experience.

 

If you went with the i3 + SSD, it would look like this:

PCPartPicker part list: http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/HtNwmG

Price breakdown by merchant: http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/HtNwmG/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i3-4150 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($127.00 @ Centre Com)

Motherboard: MSI Z97 PC MATE ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($130.00 @ Centre Com)

Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($105.00 @ CPL Online)

Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($83.00 @ Centre Com)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($62.00 @ Centre Com)

Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 280 3GB WINDFORCE Video Card  ($259.00 @ CPL Online)

Case: Cooler Master K280 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ Mwave Australia)

Power Supply: Enermax 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($85.00 @ CPL Online)

Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WN881ND 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter  ($17.00 @ CPL Online)

Other: Windows 8.1 64bit (OEM) ($115.00)

Total: $1032.99

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-24 12:40 EST+1000

 

If you went with the i5 build, it would look like this:

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/jWydGX

Price breakdown by merchant: http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/jWydGX/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($201.00 @ PCCaseGear)

Motherboard: MSI Z97 PC MATE ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($130.00 @ Centre Com)

Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($105.00 @ CPL Online)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($62.00 @ Centre Com)

Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 280 3GB WINDFORCE Video Card  ($259.00 @ CPL Online)

Case: Cooler Master K280 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ Mwave Australia)

Power Supply: Enermax 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($85.00 @ CPL Online)

Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WN881ND 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter  ($17.00 @ CPL Online)

Other: Windows 8.1 64bit (OEM) ($115.00)

Total: $1023.99

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-24 12:49 EST+1000

 

These are two very good builds that remain at your budget.  Each build has its own benefits and purpose.  It depends what you are trying to get out of your system.

Damn that's sweet! I'll look into it.