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which speakers to gop with the pioneer VSX-923

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thanks guys i already found a setup

 

1x Pioneer VSX-923-K

1x Pioneer S-31C-K

6x Pioneer S-31-LR-K

2x Pioneer S-51W

swhich speakers should i buy for my pioneer pioneer VSX-923

 

i need

 

1 center speaker

2 small speakers

4standing speakers

2 subwoofers

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why do you need 2 subs?

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What is your budget for each of the components?

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why do you need 2 subs?

To annoy his neighbors

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To annoy his neighbors

then make sure you get some 12 or 15in subs

at least 500W for good measure

if you really hate your neighbours you can get some 1000W subs for under a couple grand

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Sorry you need to throw out a number...Honestly anything under 1k is undoable for decent. 2k is going into decent, 3k is going into the nice area but honestly for GOOD stuff you are looking 7K+ and high end 10K+ EAASSIILLLYYYY. Hence why you need to throw people a number.

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Yeah, need a budget, because like Michael said, speakers can cost a LOT of money. Going off the fact that you have a relatively entry level receiver, I am going to take it that your budget is going to correspond to that as it won't have much power to drive very much. With that in mind, there are a few good options that will sound good, though I would recommend just sticking to 1 subwoofer and saving your money. Stereo subs are cool and all, but only when you really have everything else to back it up. I'm guessing your budget is less than $1000, because if you are planning on a system more expensive than that, then you need to start looking at upgrading that receiver, most likely going to a component setup, which will cost well over 10-20x for the electronics (excluding speakers) than what you probably spent on that Pioneer. 

 

Infinity Primus has different levels, but the highest tiers all put together can be had for less than $1000, and is probably going to be exactly  what you are looking for. I had their tower speakers, and I have to say, they did sound REALLY good, especially considering they can be had for ~$110/piece! Another option is the Energy CF-70 5.1 system, though that is considerably more expensive (~$1900). Klipsch has a wide array of options, starting with the Synergy series which I believe comes in a little over $1000 while their Reference series typically ranges from about $2000-3000.

 

There are LOTS of other options out there, but that should give you a quick idea of where to start.

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 because if you are planning on a system more expensive than that, then you need to start looking at upgrading that receiver, most likely going to a component setup, which will cost well over 10-20x for the electronics (excluding speakers) than what you probably spent on that Pioneer. 

 

 

 

Sorry to hijack the thread but when you say a component setup what are you referring to?

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Sorry to hijack the thread but when you say a component setup what are you referring to?

 

 

Well the simple answer is that instead of having one unit take care of the DAC/preamp/power amp/radio/ect, you have dedicated pieces of hardware taking care of each task. An example of this would be going back in time a bit and looking at receiver of the past. You use to have your tape deck/record player, radio, preamp, and power amp.  That would be at least 4 pieces of hardware to get the sound from the source, to the speakers. The record player and radio would feed into the preamp; the preamp is what you would use to select what you wanted to listen to and adjust the volume; the preamp would then feed into a power amp, which had nothing but a power button on it, and would power the unamped signal to the speakers.

 

People then decided the preamp was simple enough that it could just be combined with the power amp, so the integrated amp was born. In this you could plug your radio, tape player, cd player, and any other stereo analog signal into it, and just select which one you wanted to listen to, and adjust the volume through the integrated amp. After this though, the receiver was born. A receiver gained its name when people simply just added the radio to the integrated amp. Essentially what a receiver is, or rather was, is an integrated amp with one of the audio sources (radio) built into the unit, making it an all-in-one solution.

 

As technology progressed though, obviously CD's, radios, and tape decks kind of went to the waste side, and now all people really use their receivers for is to plug in all their sources (usually via HDMI), so that they can select which one they want to play, and gain 'surround sound' through it (which is a joke-in-and-of itself, which is an entirely different discussion). What receiver means now is a unit that will take different digital sources, process the information with all the 'tech' built into it to get it through all the channels depending on how you set it up, and amplify that signal to all the speakers that you think you need, while processing and sending the video signal to the source.

 

An integrated amp now, is simply defined as a unit that lets you select an audio source (no video), whether that is digital or analog, and send it out a stereo signal. Because they don't need to have all the extra crap on them that 'sells' receivers like video processing with 3d and upscaling, Dolby, surround 'simulation', room correction, and whatever else they can throw in there, they can focus on what really makes stuff sound better. This means for the same amount of money you spend on a 'high end' receiver that does 100watts/channel (which is really MUCH less in the real world; again, entirely different discussion) that sounds like crap, and fails after a few years of use, you can get an entry level integrated amp that does 45watts/channel that will sound just amazing and last a lifetime.

 

You really only need a full blown component setup if you are spending a LOT more money on speakers, because typically component setups cost a LOT of money themselves. The advantage of them is that you do get higher quality parts that last longer, and the only thing you will ever need to change for the rest of your life is your source. To me, the perfect middle ground is getting the best possible 2.1 speaker system you can afford, getting the best integrated amp you can afford, and then just upgrade your source (bluray player/AppleTV/TV) as needed. Honestly one of the best solutions I've come up with is to either just plug everything into the TV, then using the TOSLINK out on the TV to the integrated amp (or a cheap DAC to the integrated amp if yours doesn't have a DAC). The other solution if you don't want tons of wires running to your TV, if you have it wall-mounted or something, would be to buy an HDMI source switcher. Some of these even have an digital audio out that can run to the integrated amp/DAC so you only have a single HDMI cable running to your TV. 

 

Again, the idea is to separate to keep the highest quality components in the system for the best possible sound quality. The other solution of course is to buy a half-decent receiver like the Marantz SR series which honestly do a fairly good job, but most 'decent' receivers like this cost $600+. The worst downside to this will be that it will become obsolete once the next new feature, HDMI standard, 3d tech, DRM validation, 8k, or whatever comes out, requiring you to upgrade the receiver, hoping that the next generation of receivers sound just as good as your last one, and the resale value on your old receiver drops down next-to-nothing (while the integrated amps often retain their value, or even go up in some rare cases).

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Thanks for the reply WolfStrong, i see what you mean by component now. What your describing sounds ideal for music but would these setups be able to decipher 'surround sound' for movies etc.?

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Thanks for the reply WolfStrong, i see what you mean by component now. What your describing sounds ideal for music but would these setups be able to decipher 'surround sound' for movies etc.?

Simple answer is yes. How you go about doing that is entirely up to you, as there are several ways to go about it.

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why do you need 2 subs?

 

To annoy his neighbors

 

2 or more subs distributed properly in a room could widen the sweet-spot dramatically (or reduce the needed correction for a particular room). Running lower drive levels from the higher capacity can also reduce distortion.

 

Notice how a single sub setup may sound very differently from one point in the room to another? Running 2 subs apart from each other usually reduces this variance noticeably.

 

In most cases, a single higher end sub would work better if only a small sweet-spot is desired (like a single viewer setup) whilst going multiple subs would often work better for systems built to allow for seating flexibility. Of course the performance level/price point should also be a consideration as multiple units of low quality subs would still be bad.

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2 or more subs distributed properly in a room could widen the sweet-spot dramatically (or reduce the needed correction for a particular room). Running lower drive levels from the higher capacity can also reduce distortion.

 

Notice how a single sub setup may sound very differently from one point in the room to another? Running 2 subs apart from each other usually reduces this variance noticeably.

 

In most cases, a single higher end sub would work better if only a small sweet-spot is desired (like a single viewer setup) whilst going multiple subs would often work better for systems built to allow for seating flexibility. Of course the performance level/price point should also be a consideration as multiple units of low quality subs would still be bad.

or you could get 8 15" subs and put them surrounding you :D

then your neighbours will be happy for sure

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or you could get 8 15" subs and put them surrounding you :D

then your neighbours will be happy for sure

And don't forget to always watch at reference levels or higher to keep them satisfied. :-D

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thanks guys i already found a setup

 

1x Pioneer VSX-923-K

1x Pioneer S-31C-K

6x Pioneer S-31-LR-K

2x Pioneer S-51W

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thanks guys i already found a setup

1x Pioneer VSX-923-K

1x Pioneer S-31C-K

6x Pioneer S-31-LR-K

2x Pioneer S-51W

Congrats! Have you listened to them and compared them against other options?

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